could I be anything other than INFj?

[rockclimber]

I've had doubts.

[aestrivex]

yes, you could be.

[aestrivex]

• You seem to have some similar views on what seem to me to be -related matters (i.e. love and whatnot) to niffweed17 and reyn_til_runa (both of whom I think are fairly clearly ILI).

i have views on love-related matters? pray tell.

[implied]

Only tentative -- but I think you could possibly be ILI.

I don't know much about you but --

• You give an introverted and intuitive impression.
• You don't seem to display any whatsoever on the boards, and you don't seem particularly receptive to it either, even uncomfortable at times.
• You seem to have some similar views on what seem to me to be -related matters (i.e. love and whatnot) to niffweed17 and reyn_til_runa (both of whom I think are fairly clearly ILI).

I don't really have any better arguments than that, but you might want to consider it.

why not Si HA?

anyhow, i share some of RC's jadedness. i didn't think this was some exclusively INTp thing.

[implied]

I have no idea. Why Si HA at all? I don't know either way.

i get the idea that she's Si HA from reading her posts. there's a pretty heavy health-focus.

[UDP]

You could very easily be irrational, IP temperment. You do not seem to be very skilled with Si at all, and perhaps you don't value it, so that points away from ISTp.

You are pretty much money in terms of being either E9 or E5.

[implied]

Evidently I've missed those posts which suggest it.

evidently.

[UDP]

Describe your relationship with other types you are sure about, like your father. That might help. I would definitely say intuitive. I am not particularly sure of your type, but it seems the most likely ones are INFj, INTp, INFp.

I've had doubts.

What type do you think you are now?

Also, describe what is making you be doubtful? What has happened? And why now? That might provide some answers. You seem to have changed in how you approach the forum.


PS: do you believe yourself to be "more" or "less" the real you at this time, and if so, expand upon the differences.

One last question - what is it with your sig, really? Why do you enjoy having that quote in your signature? What does it mean to you and why?

PPS: HA? Hmm, she does seem focused on it. Definitely... not Si as a leading function though, that seems pretty clear.

[aestrivex]

i get the idea that she's Si HA from reading her posts. there's a pretty heavy health-focus.

?

[implied]

?

really. quite honestly, i think yoga instruction is easily as-Si-as-it-gets.

heck, even her listed screennames are pretty Si-seeming to me. i would probably venture towards some other NF if i had to choose. i don't see the reyn_til_runa/niffweed similarities.

[UDP]

Those are good points.

[Exodus]

I think INTp and ISTp are interesting possibilities. Introversion and Fi values seem clear.

[implied]

I think INTp and ISTp are interesting possibilities. Introversion and Fi values seem clear.

yeah, i agree that they're interesting, just find them less likely. i also think she's pretty clearly Fi valuing.

[eunice]

Introversion, Fi valuing, but not INFj. On a personal note, I can't identify myself with her.

[munenori2]

Introversion, Fi valuing, but not INFj. On a personal note, I can't identify myself with her.

I tend to agree, though I've never put too much stock in it. Intratype personalities can still be quite diverse. However, I don't know her well enough to venture any alternatives. From what little facts I know, the yoga instructing does sound like Si-valuing (though strong or not is beyond my ken). I could speculate further, but I'd rather not presume any more than I have.

e) too little information

[rockclimber]

Describe your relationship with other types you are sure about, like your father. That might help. I would definitely say intuitive. I am not particularly sure of your type, but it seems the most likely ones are INFj, INTp, INFp.


What type do you think you are now?

Also, describe what is making you be doubtful? What has happened? And why now? That might provide some answers. You seem to have changed in how you approach the forum.


PS: do you believe yourself to be "more" or "less" the real you at this time, and if so, expand upon the differences.

One last question - what is it with your sig, really? Why do you enjoy having that quote in your signature? What does it mean to you and why?

I don't trust my own typings, so I won't explain my relationships with people (especially my parents... its too complicated to get into, really).

I'm not particularly sure of my type, hence the thread. Nothing has really happened for me to question my type apart from not feeling like I should be the same type as the other INFjs here. I can't see Minde wanting to be the center of attention by dancing on a bar, or Eunice being nicknamed black widow.

How has the way I approach the forum changed?

I'm certainly more "me" than I was a year ago. I act differently depending on who I'm around and what kind of mood I am in, but I'm always "me"... just not always the full me. I hide certain behaviors from different people.

I don't "enjoy" having the signature I do. It serves as a reminder for me. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.

[FDG]

You're part of a group of forum girls that enjoy bitching about men. Their types are varied, but they share this common background of learned helplessness.

[FDG]

Evidently I've missed those posts which suggest it.

60 percent of her posts then, basically. Probably you should avoid giving strong opinions then, thanks.

[munenori2]

Dissatisfaction =/ helplessness.

Dissatisfaction = dissatisfaction.

[FDG]

Dissatisfaction =/ helplessness.

Dissatisfaction = dissatisfaction.

Oh please, they truly enjoy reveling in it and it's obvious from their stories that they wouldn't like it otherwise. I don't call this dissatisfaction.

[xyz]

You're part of a group of forum girls that enjoy bitching about men. Their types are varied, but they share this common background of learned helplessness.

+10000

[munenori2]

Oh please, they truly enjoy reveling in it and it's obvious from their stories that they wouldn't like it otherwise. I don't call this dissatisfaction.

I think people generally revel in what they see to be true. You, me, everybody. Challenge their reasoning if you feel like it.

[FDG]

I think people generally revel in what they see to be true.

Or what they want to be true, for whatever reason. Let's not be excessively diplomatic.

[implied]

60 percent of her posts then, basically. Probably you should avoid giving strong opinions then, thanks.

thank you for letting me know i'm not crazy. i thought she was blazingly quadra due to her posts. at least someone else is paying attention!

[UDP]

I know other INFjs that enjoy dancing and getting attention from guys, and then complaining about relationships later.

[FDG]

FDG, I think I can safely say every girl enjoys it to a certain extent. It's not type related, nor background related.

They enjoy it more than others, then. There are plenty of girls-women here on this website and plenty of them never engage in those petty generalizations.

[munenori2]

Or what they want to be true, for whatever reason. Let's not be excessively diplomatic.

People see what they want. Other times they want what they see. The distinction is rarely so fine. That doesn't strike me as diplomatism, but more like my own experience, which is subject to the above considerations. So long as everyone is keeping that in mind, then we're probably set to do quite fine.

[xyz]

They enjoy it more than others, then. There are plenty of girls-women here on this website and plenty of them never engage in those petty generalizations.

Exactly, because they are mature enough not to extrapolate the actions of a few dumb males to the whole gender itself. They act like they don't need us. Well that's bullshit, we need them as much as they need us.

[rockclimber]

what generalizations do I make about males? Yeah, I'm bitter, but I never claimed to hate men. In general I get along much better with men than I do women and most of my friends are guys.

[FDG]

Just because they haven't engaged in them here, or to you, doesn't mean they haven't engaged in them at one point in their lives.

This is the excessive diplomacy and bullshit I have been talking about. The difference is striking between the two groups and if you wanna pull shit out of your ass like you're doing here, don't do it with me.

[UDP]

hmmm. pm away

[munenori2]

This is the excessive diplomacy and bullshit I have been talking about. The difference is striking between the two groups and if you wanna pull shit out of your ass like you're doing here, don't do it with me.

Dude, have you ever considered ILE/SLE? You sound like you could have the Fi-polr creds. That was perfectly legimate and probably true what dolphin said. Then again, I'm probably just being woefully, excessively diplomatic.

[UDP]

You seem to just be spreading your wings somewhat after a life of confinement. Basically you've had a life of obligation to your family so far, and now you've got more of a social life, you're feeling free from relationships and dealing with other people's emotional BS towards you, or at least more so, and you're a hot young girl, so going out dancing is fun for you.

I call Rita to the stands, another hardcore INFj who has done out and partied a little bit.

[FDG]

Dude, have you ever considered ILE/SLE? You sound like you could have the Fi-polr creds. That was perfectly legimate and probably true what dolphin said. Then again, I'm probably just being woefully, excessively diplomatic.

A Fi PoLR that is against bad relationships and thinks that every male and female deserves a chance and thinks that people that are disillusioned about relationships are wrong? It sounds like the complete opposite to me, Fi PoLRs are said to be the ones with the most problems. I think that everybody could live a life of being completely happy with a lot of people they meet on their road, but then people like to create for themselves the problems that these girls speak about instead of just being happy. To me, they seem to have more problems with "feeling" than I have, but who knows.

BTW, yes, sometimes NFs are definitely excessively diplomatic even when the situation calls for a more decisive stance. Sure some girls will have talked bad about some males, but that does not mean they generalize the situation to everybody like this group of bitches does. I know plently of succesfull couples, plently of girls that are happy with their boyfriends, and none of them seem to complain the way they do, guess why? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[munenori2]

A Fi PoLR that is against bad relationships and thinks that every male and female deserves a chance and thinks that people that are disillusioned about relationships are wrong? It sounds like the complete opposite to me, Fi PoLRs are said to be the ones with the most problems.

I don't imagine anyone is for bad relationships. Also, that everyone is deserving of a chance occurs to me as an Ne-characteristic. That some people are disillusioned regarding relationships strikes me as Ti > Te (their experience may very well support this conclusion, though it may not be tenable in the complete range of human experience). However, all we've got to go off of is what we've seen, heard, felt, etc.

Additionally, I've noticed particularly harsh interactions between you and certain other individuals on this forum. One example would be your proposed identical Joy. While it's by no means conclusive since identicals need not get along, there seems a particular animosity that seems to spring forth. Perhaps again I'm being overly diplomatic in admitting the weakness in my argument (since it is by no means certain, and I'm lacking in obstinancy to my own views), but I think this could fit rather smartly with ENTp. I do not see an Fi-valuing in your conduct. Granted this is merely online interaction, but given the general thrust of your posts I think at least something can be gleaned from them.

[FDG]

I don't imagine anyone is for bad relationships. Also, that everyone is deserving of a chance occurs to me as an Ne-characteristic. That some people are disillusioned regarding relationships strikes me as Ti > Te (their experience may very well support this conclusion, though it may not be tenable in the complete range of human experience). However, all we've got to go off of is what we've seen, heard, felt, etc.

What? The only objective evidence (Te) I have for these people is just their forums posts. This is what I am basing my evalutation on, nothing else. How can you deduce that I prefer Ti then? Also, it would be aristocratic Ti, but then it would also be positivistic, then I could only be an ISTj, but then I wouldn't have a Fi PoLR. Not logically coherent.

Additionally, I've noticed particularly harsh interactions between you and certain other individuals on this forum. One example would be your proposed identical Joy.

You see, I don't want to sound like a preacher, but really, Joy is not really likely an ENTj. Where do you see Fi in her conduct and non-Fi in mine, for example...???? All these posts I am making are the complete antithesis of Fe! How could somebody that wants to "be loved" go so forwardly against the most popular people on here?

While it's by no means conclusive since identicals need not get along, there seems a particular animosity that seems to spring forth. Perhaps again I'm being overly diplomatic in admitting the weakness in my argument (since it is by no means certain, and I'm lacking in obstinancy to my own views), but I think this could fit rather smartly with ENTp. I do not see an Fi-valuing in your conduct. Granted this is merely online interaction, but given the general thrust of your posts I think at least something can be gleaned from them.

I notice in evaluating my conduct not being Fi you disergarded the part of my post that was about relationships. This would make you non Te valuing? No, I don't think so, I don't think we can deduce such things from just one post. I am sorry for looking like an ass in this argument and picking on every single thing but it seems like lately here there is no other way to argue without being attacked on their types.

[munenori2]

Sure some girls will have talked bad about some males, but that does not mean they generalize the situation to everybody like this group of bitches does. I know plently of successful couples, plently of girls that are happy with their boyfriends, and none of them seem to complain the way they do, guess why? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Are you so certain that they apply their metrics to everybody else? Self-fulfilling prophecies are a dynamic that fits most all of human judgements/behavior. Are you so sure that you aren't doing the same? The fact that successful couples are happy might be more a matter of the two being acclimated to and suited for one another, as well as complaints being aptly deserved if experience dictates they should be. It's all a slippery slope and one's individual experiences are primary in deciding which way it shall go. Do some people hold views blind to what's going on? Yes. But we shouldn't assume that this is the exclusive domain of any kind of person, especially the 'bitches' you refer to.

[implied]

Sorry, couldn't resist.

are you suggesting SEE as his type again?

[FDG]

Are you so certain that they apply their metrics to everybody else? Self-fulfilling prophecies are a dynamic that fits most all of human judgements/behavior. Are you so sure that you aren't doing the same? The fact that successful couples are happy might be more a matter of the two being acclimated to and suited for one another, as well as complaints being aptly deserved if experience dictates they should be.

Ahah, c'mon, you've clearly missed the dynamics of these girls. First you hear them bitching, then after some posts you hear them saying that without quarrels in a relationship they'd be bored, then you hear them bitching about a quarrel, then they get a boyfriend that doesn't quarrel, and they bitch cuz he's boring. Didn't you see it?? It's been going on for quite some time actually.

It's all a slippery slope and one's individual experiences are primary in deciding which way it shall go. Do some people hold views blind to what's going on? Yes. But we shouldn't assume that this is the exclusive domain of any kind of person, especially the 'bitches' you refer to.

If you say that some people are naturally wired to be unhappy, I might say it might be true, even if I don't want to believe it is.

I don't want to discuss my personal experiences but there have been of course bad ones. I don't see how one couldn't just abstract from it and see it's just one occurence over many.

[FDG]

are you suggesting SEE as his type again?

I must be really strange if two people are arguing for Fi PoLR and Fi creative at the same time basing themselves on the same post.

I don't think I'm strange, I just think that socionics information is now completely twisted, this is why something like this can happen.

To get back on topic I do think rockclimber is INFj.