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    The Republica song wouldn't be LSE in a million years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy View Post
    The Republica song wouldn't be LSE in a million years.
    Definitely. In the past I've considered it as a good representative of Beta, even.
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    ISFp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=p62rfWxs6a8

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vc4sL3wsYSY

    ESFj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=7GFpMb0sOaw

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=XvIw5ZqC1ms

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6U4h8UgKRp4

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ynjIoymWHvU

    (note the irrational/rational conflict! Maybe he's ENTp...)

    ENTp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jy7tiCwDHQQ

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GsfVw9xxoNY

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=gsavk0FX3Ro

    INTj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7KKzGsIuM

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NgbY9bdM-uk

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VfGYZSe0Cbk

    INFp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUA35XQxxw8

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qqsyXdj_p_I

    I'm also thinking David Bowie might be INFp and not ENFj.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k

    ENFj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=irp8CNj9qBI

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NNfWC4Sgkcs

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jV1bRfLHA3A

    ESTp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=XRDi67G0Siw

    ISTj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=lwSuRg95AMY

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=N5XVeENmLMk

    INTp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_jhdZoPW1Q

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wzc-GZo8UmE

    ENTj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=-UfsEj7AOGI

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qQfqSWe8eVE

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fzbYfcmM8Io

    ESFp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NNzeBjS_mCM

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DgBgnoEY4iM

    ISFj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=50dzxkJa1NE

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=BnwLf88t_Wc

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew

    ISTp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=v-kTMNwnu60

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDpHpbllByg

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=5RksdQrqLNs

    ESTj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=01C4RPEinM4

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=NVbuIZ-5-8o

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=9iE4QciWc6w

    INFj

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oRUkGDGbJpk

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vg7BEHIo-g4

    ENFp

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=7H9hMibRZnw

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pcJwz7wu8_s

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    thehotelambush, what a great set of songs (arcade fire! spoon! abba! the proclaimers [lol]! and everything else!)

    (I hate that muse song though)

    I'm interested though - were you typing the songs themselves, the artists, the videoclip+music, or a mixture of everything?

    And why do you think the Spoon song represents ISTj? and The Gorillaz ESTj?

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    Alpha

    ISFp


    ENTp


    Beta

    ESTp


    INFp


    Delta

    INFj


    ESTj


    ISTp


    ENFp

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    eunice's typings are less unaccurate than thehotelambush's.

    I mean, do you type by expressed information elements, in the music itself ? in the video ? in the lyrics ?

    For example, how can the Republica song "Ready to Go" be LSE-like ? Basically because it suggests activeness : and states of body .

    How can Metallica be LSI-like (and not SLE) ? it's pure and brutal energy : , but adapted to (patterns). In contrast to the NTM song which is non-adapted .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    thehotelambush, what a great set of songs (arcade fire! spoon! abba! the proclaimers [lol]! and everything else!)

    (I hate that muse song though)

    I'm interested though - were you typing the songs themselves, the artists, the videoclip+music, or a mixture of everything?
    Pretty much a mixture. I've typed a lot of the artists (as those types), but I chose songs of theirs that are most representative of the type.

    And why do you think the Spoon song represents ISTj? and The Gorillaz ESTj?
    The Spoon song is a good example of Ti in music, I think, because it has lots of simple, repetitive patterns that build on each other. The lyrics and instrumentation also have a bit of an Se edge.

    I've heard the Gorillaz' lead singer typed as ESTj, but based just on the music: It's not at all wildly emotional, like Queen for instance (the emotion there is seems more like Fi, kindof homesick). It's rather active and has a strong beat, but also has a relaxing quality, and the sound is smooth. I still find it difficult to identify Te in music (I'm seeing some similarities to Radiohead...hmm).

    I'm thinking Flight of the Bumblebee might be more ENTj - it sounds too tense. Definitely EJ in any case.

    @eunice: I think most of your examples are very good. However, I'm not sure about the ISFp one, and isn't the Corinne Bailey Rae song primarily about Si?

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    ENTp



    ESFj

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    ISFp (or ISTp)

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    No way there's any better representative of ENTj's in music than this



    This video would be good represententative of how my mental state is like, under the surface:
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    I find myself unable to really identify with the INTj music videos posted except the They Might Be Giants, but I do not have a single TMBG song or album to my name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    eunice's typings are less unaccurate than thehotelambush's.
    I think Eunice actually has some pretty good typings. One of my best friends from college who I think is ISTp loved michelle branch and dated this other friend of ours who everyone thought was a replica of Michelle Branch hehe. But please can anyone come up with anything better than Weird Al for ENTp hehe. I do think the Bare Naked Ladies showcase some decent Alpha Fe so that's a decent start. Maybe ENTps just aren't made for the music world. I personally could never see myself as a singer. Oh well. Billy Joel as an ESTj I think works as well. Have to think about Pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suomea View Post
    I think Eunice actually has some pretty good typings. One of my best friends from college who I think is ISTp loved michelle branch and dated this other friend of ours who everyone thought was a replica of Michelle Branch hehe. But please can anyone come up with anything better than Weird Al for ENTp hehe. I do think the Bare Naked Ladies showcase some decent Alpha Fe so that's a decent start. Maybe ENTps just aren't made for the music world. I personally could never see myself as a singer. Oh well. Billy Joel as an ESTj I think works as well.
    Pete Townshend - guitarist, song writer, and back-up vocalist of The Who - is an ENTp.
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    Burzum is EIE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Pete Townshend - guitarist, song writer, and back-up vocalist of The Who - is an ENTp.
    Uh huh. And how apt is it that he wrote a song called The Seeker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Burzum is EIE
    Possibly or INFp. Wasn't my point though. Also sucks majorly as example of either.

    The interesting question for me from INFp or ENFj (or some other feeling type), would be that what's the emotional content of that video?

    ENFj & ISTj & ESFp(?) + ESFp



    Paul Stanley reminds me of my ENFj grandmother, even the make-up is just about as thick haha.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post

    @eunice: I think most of your examples are very good. However, I'm not sure about the ISFp one, and isn't the Corinne Bailey Rae song primarily about Si?
    I thought Delta is more likely than Alpha since Alpha songs are usually more upbeat and on-the-move. That Corrinne Bailey Rae's song makes me feel more relaxed and encourages me to wind down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suomea View Post
    I think Eunice actually has some pretty good typings. One of my best friends from college who I think is ISTp loved michelle branch and dated this other friend of ours who everyone thought was a replica of Michelle Branch hehe. But please can anyone come up with anything better than Weird Al for ENTp hehe. I do think the Bare Naked Ladies showcase some decent Alpha Fe so that's a decent start. Maybe ENTps just aren't made for the music world. I personally could never see myself as a singer. Oh well. Billy Joel as an ESTj I think works as well. Have to think about Pink.
    I know a Si-ISTp who has a celebrity crush on Michelle Branch too. Anyway, I chose that particular Weird Al song because it seems to describe a stereotypical and extreme ENTp.

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    I think C64 music is SEE...






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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Uh huh. And how apt is it that he wrote a song called The Seeker.
    Very.
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    I remember when my dad let me play games at his C64, my tiny hands trembling with anticipation!

    My all time favourite C64 game theme music wasn't featured in that second video though. I couldn't find the original on youtube but this ones just got some better synth sound going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    I thought Delta is more likely than Alpha since Alpha songs are usually more upbeat and on-the-move. That Corrinne Bailey Rae's song makes me feel more relaxed and encourages me to wind down.
    Exactly, it sounds like Si-ego music.


    Does this strike anyone as ISTj music?:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUG0GjdoGHE

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Exactly, it sounds like Si-ego music.


    Does this strike anyone as ISTj music?:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUG0GjdoGHE
    I'm more thinking of LSE. That girl seems LSE.

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    Here is LSE

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    What's on LSE's mind...



    and on LIE's ?





    Taking more lively songs make a more evident description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    I'm more thinking of LSE. That girl seems LSE.
    Interesting. I thought she was ISTj, but ESTj is perhaps possible.

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    (INFp) Joy Division - Disorder



    (INTj) Brian Eno - This

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    @sub: EII for the last video

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    @ hotelambush - all your choices were basically spot on. I even showed an LSI the videos and she loved the ones you chose for LSI & was repelled by IEE


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    aha. I actually like almost all of those songs.

    I'm thinking Hey Ya! might be ESTj, despite the screaming girls part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    I think C64 music is SEE...
    Nothing ESFp-like in those whatsoever. That's probably "ENTp-music".

    There was no Se, Fi or aggressor erotic attitude that you would expect from "ESFp-music".

    ESTp:


    ESFj:
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Nothing ESFp-like in those whatsoever. That's probably "ENTp-music".

    There was no Se, Fi or aggressor erotic attitude that you would expect from "ESFp-music".
    Gulenko's Unclean Attitudes are just totally bogus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Exactly, it sounds like Si-ego music.

    Does this strike anyone as ISTj music?:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUG0GjdoGHE
    She's ESFp, although she seems somewhat subdued.

    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord
    There was no Se, Fi or aggressor erotic attitude that you would expect from "ESFp-music".
    Gulenko's Unclean Attitudes are just totally bogus.
    You believe whatever you want to believe. But with that kind of moronic ideas, it's obvious that you can't: 1) apply socionics to the real world 2) type people correctly. Which is shown numerous times, for example in this thread.

    Edit: Gulenko himself is probably somewhat off in this matter, but the general idea isn't.
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    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    You believe whatever you want to believe. But with that kind of moronic ideas, it's obvious that you can't: 1) apply socionics to the real world 2) type people correctly. Which is shown numerous times, for example in this thread.

    Edit: Gulenko himself is probably somewhat off in this matter, but the general idea isn't.
    thank you for being objective, you n00b

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    thank you for being objective, you n00b
    You just need your diapers changed
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    You just need your diapers changed
    and you need to quit playing victim by saying "the world sucks and everyone sucks" or such.

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    http://youtube.com/watch?v=kWb93oXXclA

    I'm reupping the topic with an ESI song.

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