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    Has anyone watched this? Pretty cool, the sexism is quite horrifying.
    A woman to another: “It looks complicated, but the men who designed it made it simple enough for a woman to use.”, to which the second reacts with relief. (c:

    Anyways, ideas on the characters' types?
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    haha, sounds fun. I'll type them if I ever see it.
    EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
    E3 (probably 3w4)

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    Anyone watch this show? Types? Inter-types?

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    yes, like it

    Is Peggy ESI ?

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    Generally TV characters are the least consistent to type, and most of the characters on this show are not particularly "healthy" individuals.
    I haven't seen every episode, buts as of...

    Don- LSE
    Betty- ILI (supervision marriage...?)
    Pete- LIE
    Peggy- EII
    Joan- LSI
    Roger Sterling- SLE
    Ken Cosgrove - IEE
    Harry Crane- LII
    Salvatore- IEI
    EII INFj
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    I could see Don as LSE and Peggy as EII. I'm unsure about Pete and his wife, but LIE and ESI could make sense.

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    I always thought it seemed cool, from the logo; like some Sopranos meets American Psycho shit. Never bothered to spoil the idealized vision I had in my mind with the real thing
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Don- LSI, 5w6 sp/so
    Betty- SEI, 6w7 so/sx
    Pete- LIE, 3w4 sp/so
    Peggy- LII, 5w6 sp/sx
    Joan- SEE, 3w4 sx/sp
    Roger- SLE, 7w8 sp/so
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    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Corrections (lots of 'em):

    Don: SLI-Te
    Peggy: ESI-Se
    Major Bewbage (Joan): ESE-Si
    Roger: LSE-Si
    Pete: SEE-Se
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    wow this was a while ago...
    I wouldn't change my typings from before, except for Cosgrove who I think is probably more LIE/EIE and I would add Don's finance Megan as SEI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    wow this was a while ago...
    I wouldn't change my typings from before, except for Cosgrove who I think is probably more LIE/EIE and I would add Don's finance Megan as SEI
    Agree with almost all of your typings, though I am uncertain about Betty.

    Also, do you really think Cosgrove has a 'vision' or 'direction'? He seems more opportunistic. I thought maybe a Se type of some sort. I admit I don't follow is character too closely, but he seems quite different from Pete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greeter View Post
    Agree with almost all of your typings, though I am uncertain about Betty.
    I've been wondering about her too, if maybe the seeming Fe PoLR is a projection of her underlying issues, but I can't really think of an alternative with what she's been presented as so far

    Also, do you really think Cosgrove has a 'vision' or 'direction'? He seems more opportunistic. I thought maybe a Se type of some sort. I admit I don't follow is character too closely, but he seems quite different from Pete.
    That's interesting, you could very well be right
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greeter View Post
    Agree with almost all of your typings, though I am uncertain about Betty.

    Also, do you really think Cosgrove has a 'vision' or 'direction'? He seems more opportunistic. I thought maybe a Se type of some sort. I admit I don't follow is character too closely, but he seems quite different from Pete.
    Based on all the season except the last, his vision and direction has nothing to do with his job, it has to do with his writing career. His short stories and what have you.

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    Sorry if there is already a thread about this, but here's what I think:

    Don: ESTp (this took me a long time.. but a big clue was this season when he says to Megan, "it took me 10 years to think like this." Being creative in this way doesn't come naturally to him; he by nature a plumber, mechanic, get-your-hands-dirty and fix things kind of guy. Also risk-taking)

    Megan: ISFp

    Betty: ISFj

    Anna: INFp dual

    Roger: ENFp

    Joan: ISTp

    Greg: ENFj

    Peggy: *no* idea. ISFp? INTj? ENTp?

    Lane: textbook INTj

    Pete: ?? ENTj? Which is why Don feels threatened even when he shouldn't?

    Harry Crane and Paul Kinsey: Beta rational duals. Last episode really showed that.
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    You might want to consider that Don Draper has two personalities: Dick Whitman & Don Draper.

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    Type the characters! Not sure if this already exists.

    I'll start~

    Don Draper: LSI!
    Peggy Olson: ILI
    Pete Campbell: SEI
    Betty Draper/Francis: SEI
    Joan Holloway/Harris: EIE
    Roger Sterling: ILE?
    Trudy Campbell: ESE
    Bert Cooper: LIE
    Ken Cosgrove: EII
    Harry Crane: twat
    Megan Draper: IEE
    Sally Draper: LIE
    Paul Kinsey: LII
    Lane Pryce: IEI!
    Sal Romano: EIE?
    Rachel Menken: SEE?
    Faye Miller: IEI!
    Jane Sterling: ESE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ningyo View Post
    Type the characters! Not sure if this already exists.

    I'll start~

    Don Draper: LSI! quite possibly. I don't think I like him!
    Peggy Olson: ILI AGREE
    Pete Campbell: SEI I don't think so.... he's so pushy. ESI or SEE?
    Betty Draper/Francis: SEI or maybe ESI Have you noticed how controlled she is?
    Joan Holloway/Harris: EIE or IEI (reminds me of Marilyn Monroe)
    Roger Sterling: ILE? (my favorite!! Love him, probably agree)
    Trudy Campbell: ESE (Sooo annoying, yes agree)
    Bert Cooper: LIE AGREE
    Ken Cosgrove: EII maybe?
    Harry Crane: twat LOL
    Megan Draper: IEE Is this the previous Mrs. Draper? agree.
    Sally Draper: LIE LOL never thought about it
    Paul Kinsey: LII
    Lane Pryce: IEI! Who? Is this Duck?
    Sal Romano: EIE? The art guy? Yes maybe. Or maybe SEI for him. He seems sensing to me.
    Rachel Menken: SEE? yes maybe. I LOVE her!
    Faye Miller: IEI! ? Not sure who this is
    Jane Sterling: ESE! not sure but I only just finished season two
    I inserted my comments above....
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    Hahaha.

    Megan is Don's NEW wife who you haven't gotten to you. Sorry for spoilers.

    Lane is a British guy who gets introduced later. Jane and Faye are also characters that show up later on... like seasons 3 and 4.

    Do you hate all ESEs, redbaron?
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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    what do you think makes Don istj ?
    He seems introverted, sensing and Fe-valuing as well as Se-valuing. I respectfully disagree with anyone who thinks he's extroverted.
    Probably ILI, or IE I/EIE/EII. PM me if you have ideas about my type! Ennagram 2w3 7w8 1w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    lol. i was thinking gamma actually, but have only watched a few episodes here and there. i guess my impression of him is this sense of paranoia, like he's floating on a cloud of it or sth. lol.

    well, i guess i'll assume istj if you've watched it closely. cheers
    yeah, I've been thinking that the general feel of the show is gamma. I can see why you'd say that. he is kinda paranoid but there are real reasons behind that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    i'm not sure about the character, but the actress seems entj to me. possibly both!

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    ps: she's adorable
    agreed!
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    Don draper-EIE. everything he says is Fe, he's not as expressive as other Fe bases but that's because his emotions are repressed, because of his childhood.

    Betty-totally IEI-Ni. I relate to her more than anyone else, real or fictional. Her mannerisms, the way she talks, etc.. She's not grounded into reality like SEIs are. I have a distinct understanding of exactly how she feels in every situation. Especially 1) when she shoots her neighbor's pigeons. I would have the same reaction. 2)everything she did when she got home from slapping the probably LIE woman (though i wouldnt have slapped her in that situation). I'm only like halfway through season 2 though. I heard she gets really unhealthy, which makes me sad lol

    Peggy-SEI. Obviously ethical. I thought about EII, but she can't be anything except SEI
    Pete Campbell-SLE but the actor is SEE
    Trudy Campbell-ESE, but she's weird. I hate her, or at least the actress. The way she talks is so fake.
    Roger sterling-ESE. He's really smooth in a way that only Fe base men can be, especially ESEs.
    Joan holloway-SEE-Fi
    Sal romano-IEE
    Rachel menkeen-LSI-Ti
    Ken cosgrove-LII
    Bert cooper-Gamma/Delta extrovert
    Duck-LSE probably
    Jimmy Barrett-ILE
    Bobbie Barrett-SLE

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    Everyone tells me I would like this show. I like the aesthetic of the logo but the show bored me after 1 episode.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    The first episode? Idk, I like it. It might be a little too dry for your tastes I guess. It doesnt exactly have a plot. It's more of a realistic way of showing how the characters would act in whatever situation they are in. It's kind of subtle and understated. It's sort of like the sopranos, IMO

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    Yeah I liked the sopranos a little better, I can see the comparison, but yeah Mad Men was too dry for my taste. Without the intrigue of having insight into the underground it has little flavor for my palette.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Don (aka Dick)- ILE?

    Joan- SEE
    Peggy Olson- SEI
    Betty- EII
    Roger Sterling- SLE
    Pete Campbell- EII
    Lane Pryce- SLI
    Megan Draper (new wife)- IEI?
    Ken Cosgrove- LII?
    Stan Ruzzo- SLE
    Trudy- ESE or SEI
    Jane Sterling- EII or IEE
    Faye Miller- ESI-Se


    http://www.amctv.com/shows/mad-men/cast

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    Interesting set of actors. I should watch this.
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    Bump with some typings:

    Don Draper - ISTp

    I see in him. He's very "I don't give a shit, just get it done." and very aware of his rank and that of others, which seems Aristocratic (and in contrast to Pete Campbell who gets very ahead of himself).

    He also seemed to demonstrate PoLR after his surprise birthday party and being made the focal point later on. That kind of activity and attention is too much for Don, who just wants to keep to himself and keep his emotions flat and manageable. This is mainly why I don't think he's ESTj, role function would probably be able to handle the party in better stride. (Or at least not be in a terrible mood after the party wraps up and he can be himself again.)

    Megan Draper - ESFj/ISFp or ENFp

    She strikes me as being from a quadra and an ethical type. It's hard to narrow it down, but she definitely has the artistic bent. Characters make allusions to her having an artistic temperament (like the tension when she wants to quit copywriting and become an actress). It'd be interesting if she was Don's dual.

    Pete Campbell - ENTj

    Seems to have the hidden agenda of wealth/status seeking. Really ambitious. I don't think he's comfortable enough with to have it in his ego block, as power games never seem to swing in his favour. He's also doesn't demonstrate social finesse, though he is aware of . I just remember the scene where he attempts to return a salad dish to trade it for a gun and he can't charm the girl at the counter, who gets very business-like with him.

    He also doesn't strike me as being Aristocratic. He oversteps his boundaries and gets too big for his britches frequently. This usually results in another character harshly taking him down a peg or two.

    Joan Harris - ENFj

    I'm pretty sure I see leading. She has extreme social finesse and gets what she wants and takes what she pleases. Very appropriate type for her to be to be watching over all the female staff at Sterling Cooper, and later attaining a higher status in later episodes.

    Very aware of the hierarchy which makes me more inclined to say Beta quadra rather than Alpha. But I see the merits in people typing her as leading.

    A couple I'm less sure of:

    Roger Sterling - ESTp or ESFp
    Bert Cooper - INTp
    Peggy Olson - ISTj
    Betty Francis - ISTp
    Henry Francis - ESTj

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    The only season (of Mad Men) I’ve seen in its entirety was the first season, and I’ve only seen the first couple episodes from the second season. Most, if not all, of my typings are reiterations of typings that have been made at least once before.


    - Don Draper: Ti-ISTj (maybe Harmonizing subtype) [LSI-ILI? or LSI-SLI?]; I’m not 100% sure about DCNH subtype, so perhaps he could be Normalizing (LSI-LII?)

    - Peggy Olson: Fi-INFj (Normalizing subtype) [EII-LII]

    - Pete Campbell: Te-ESTj (Creative subtype) [LSE-ILE?]; otherwise LIE

    - Betty: Ni-INFp (Harmonizing subtype) [IEI-SLI?]

    - Joan: I agree with ENFj (EIE). I’ve also considered SEE-Fi in the past, although EIE-Ni? makes more sense.

    - Roger Sterling: ESFj (then again I guess he could be SLE-Ti?, even if I don’t really like his character that much)

    - Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove: ENFj (EIE-Ni?)

    - Salvatore "Sal" Romano: ENFp? [Dynamic (Dominant or Harmonizing) subtype]; otherwise Fe-dominant, maybe

    - Hildy: EII/ESI? (EII-Fi?)

    - Harry: LSE/LIE? (LSE-Si?) [Harmonizing subtype]


    I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the characters are Aristocratic types, so perhaps it's primarily a combination of the Beta and Delta ('dualizing') quadras.


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    I'll give it a shot..

    Don - LSI or SLI 3w4 Sp/Sx
    Peggy - EII 9w1 Sp/So
    Betty Draper - ESI 9w1
    Roger - EIE 7w8 So/Sx or Sx/So
    Bert Cooper - ILI 5w4 Sp/Sx
    Joan - SEE 2w3 Sx/Sp
    Pete - LxE 1w2 So/Sp
    Ginsberg - IEE 6w7 So/Sx
    Sal - EIE-Ni 4w3 So/Sp
    Megan - ESE (?) 2w3 Sx/Sp
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    Peggy and Ted Chaough: (Semi-)Duals? (EII-LxE)

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    Don - SLI-Te
    Peggy - EII-Ne (love her)
    Betty Draper - EII-Fi (hate her)
    Henry- LSE
    Roger - SLE
    Joan - EIE or SEE.
    Pete - ughhh I can't stand this character.
    Ginsberg - IEE 6w7
    Megan - IEI-Fe
    Sally- LSI

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    Bob Benson - ESE-Si or SEI-Fe
    Sally Draper - LSI
    Bobby Draper - ILE
    Jim Cutler - ILI-Te (?)
    Lou Avery - LSE (?)
    Harry Crane - Alpha NT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post

    Don - LSI or SLI 3w4 Sp/Sx
    Peggy - EII 9w1 Sp/So
    Betty Draper - ESI 9w1
    Roger - EIE 7w8 So/Sx or Sx/So
    Bert Cooper - ILI 5w4 Sp/Sx
    Joan - SEE 2w3 Sx/Sp
    Pete - LxE 1w2 So/Sp
    Ginsberg - IEE 6w7 So/Sx
    Sal - EIE-Ni 4w3 So/Sp
    Megan - ESE (?) 2w3 Sx/Sp
    I agree with these except for Roger. I don't get an Ethical feel from him at all and I get EP temperament, maybe SLE.
    Peggy EII or ESI
    Also, I don't see Megan as ESE. Maybe SEI.

    It took a couple of episodes for the show to grow on me, but I ended up really liking it. It was slow at first.

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    This show gets increasingly better with each passing season. Definitely a Gamma/Delta show. Dry humor, 1960's, advertising, alcohol, sexism, comfy offices, affairs, identity, etc. it's a good variety of drama and history.
    Main characters in advertising:
    Don Draper/Dick Whitman - SLI
    Peggy Olson - Definite EII (Her Se is almost non-existent. Observe some falling outs between her and Don. And Ne pops out a lot during the pre-plannings of the ad campaigns.)
    Peter Campbell - LIE
    Joan Harris - EIE (The panning shots of her walking along with her piercing facial expressions definitely suggest Fe. And besides, if you see her and Roger, they're definite duals.)
    Roger Sterling - LSI (He might've been written as an SLE at first, but the mannerisms of the actor have been written to fill the personality of an LSI)
    Bert Cooper - ILI
    Lane Pryce - LII

    Other characters:
    Megan Draper - SEI
    Betty Francis - SLI (Or LSI or SLE, she throws me off a lot.)
    Henry Francis - LSE
    Sally Draper - SLI
    Ken Cosgrove - ILI
    Harry Crane - I dunno, some kind of alpha NT. Leaning towards ILE.
    Trudy Campbell - ESE
    Michael Ginsberg - IEE
    Stan Rizzo - SLE (Slightly unsure.)
    Duck Phillips - LSE
    Adam Whitman - Depressed IEE
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    Don Draper SLI
    Quintessentially.
    Peggy Olsen EII
    One of the better fictional examples of this activity pairing. If you want to see how the two delta introverts work together then watch this show.

    Megan Draper IEE

    Betty Francis
    (formerly Draper) ESI
    IEE would be the obvious fit for Betty, but an IEE who demonstrates the lack of intuition Betty shows would be disturbing.
    Sally Draper IEE
    Harry Francis LIE
    Calms Betty but is not a sensor.

    Joan Harris SEE/EIE
    Either Peggy's soup, or her extinguishment. Hint, imo, she plays office politics and handles flexibility very well.
    Sam Page LSI
    Roger Sterling SLE/LIE
    Jane Sterling EIE
    Lane Pryce ILI/LIE

    Salvatore Romano EIE>IEE

    Pete Campbell LIE
    Trudy Campbell ?
    Not much to go on.

    Stan Rizzo LSE
    Michael Ginsberg ILE
    Betty's supervisee and ideas man that Draper grows to resent.
    "If this to end in fire, then we should all burn together. Watch the flames climb higher into the night."

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