Niffweed is either Alpha or Delta

[Hitta]

Yup

[Hitta]

I can say without a doubt that he is not Gamma.

[Phaedrus]

I can say without a doubt that he is not Gamma.

I am very interested in why you think so. Can you give me some arguments for that claim, please? How do you determine that he is not Gamma?

[eunice]

Alpha>Delta. Ne-INTj.

[aestrivex]

i hereby defecate upon this thread and its constituents.

[Expat]

i hereby defecate upon this thread and its constituents.

You're spontaneously focusing on when you didn't have to.

Therefore it can't be a weak function. You are SLI.

As someone already said, "another brilliant insight in the right direction by" -- you know.

[Mea]

wait, is anyone in this thread serious?
i think delta might work. but alpha??

[marooned]

I knew all along that Niffweed was Si valuing.

[reyn_til_runa]

Si value my ass, no pun intended.

[marooned]

Apparently Reyn is also Si valuing.

[marooned]

Hitta said once that we value all the information elements.

[Expat]

Apparently Reyn is also Si valuing.

Yes. She said "ass" -- you can't get more Si than that.

[marooned]

Yes. She said "ass" -- you can't get more Si than that.

Exactly.

[discojoe]

hitta should be shot in the face for making this thread.

[Phaedrus]

You are SLI.

That is obviously the most likely alternative type for niffweed if he is not an ILI. I'm not saying that I think he really is an SLI, but the fact that he stands out in his attitude and behaviour from me and other ILIs on this forum in a way that makes him at least resemble an SLI has made me slightly less sure of the correctness of the ILI typing.

[Hitta]

That is obviously the most likely alternative type for niffweed if he is not an ILI. I'm not saying that I think he really is an SLI, but the fact that he stands out in his attitude and behaviour from me and other ILIs on this forum in a way that makes him at least resemble an SLI has made me slightly less sure of the correctness of the ILI typing.

SLI or LSE is what I've always thought he is.

[Hitta]

hitta should be shot in the face for making this thread.

Why don't you go fuck yourself?

[Not A Communist Shill]

Why don't you go fuck yourself?

Why don't you steal a badger from a kebab shop?

[Ezra]

Yup

You don't say.

[Phaedrus]

SLI or LSE is what I've always thought he is.

Well, he is certainly not LSE ... But I am still waiting for your arguments. How do you know that he is not an ILI?

[Hitta]

Well, he is certainly not LSE ... But I am still waiting for your arguments. How do you know that he is not an ILI?

Lol, so he can't be LSE but he can be SLI. I think people have misjudged a lot of types, including LSE. LSEs can be very scientific minded and analytical.

[Slacker]

Three pages and I haven't seen one single tiny thing showing why you think he is strong in Si and/or weak in Ni.

[Hitta]

Three pages and I haven't seen one single tiny thing showing why you think he is strong in Si and/or weak in Ni.

I think everyone is strong in Si and weak in Ni, so I'm not gonna get into that.

Niffweed shows -Ti/+Te. He seems to be very analytical at times. He doesn't seem to be that rebellious though; meaning that he probably values +Se/-Si. He reminds me a lot of Ganin(who is probably a LSE).

[Hitta]

When I say that everyone values every function, I mean that there is two versions of every function, a + one and a - one. Everyone values one of them.

[Phaedrus]

Lol, so he can't be LSE but he can be SLI. I think people have misjudged a lot of types, including LSE. LSEs can be very scientific minded and analytical.

You are not focusing on the most relevant aspects here. He can't be LSE because he is an introvert. And his attitude is very typical of someone with IP temperament and creative Te. How do you know that he is not an ILI?

He reminds me a lot of Ganin (who is probably a LSE).

If you post such a claim, you make it even more difficult for yourself. Now you must also show -- convincingly -- why Ganin is so increadibly mistaken about his own type, despite his knowledge and competence in Socionics. If you can do that I will be impressed, but you MUST do it if you want to be taken seriously.

[Hitta]

You are not focusing on the most relevant aspects here. He can't be LSE because he is an introvert. And his attitude is very typical of someone with IP temperament and creative Te. How do you know that he is not an ILI?

Um no and no, LSE is probably gonna be more reserved(I DO NOT LIKE THE E/I and the J/P PREFERENCE THAT EVERYONE USES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE). LSE is going to be naturally reserved because of -Fe/+Fi which will be an agenda function. If you've ever met an outgoing LSE then you are in another dimension because they simply aren't very talkative. Everyone uses an extraverted and introverted version of every function. Every function is both expressive and internal. On another note, Alphas and Deltas are going to be the reserved types(though some Alphas might not seem like this because of their aggressiveness).

[Phaedrus]

Um no and no, LSE is probably gonna be more reserved(I DO NOT LIKE THE E/I and the J/P PREFERENCE THAT EVERYONE USES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE). LSE is going to be naturally reserved because of -Fe/+Fi which will be an agenda function. If you've ever met an outgoing LSE then you are in another dimension because they simply aren't very talkative. Everyone uses an extraverted and introverted version of every function. Every function is both expressive and internal. On another note, Alphas and Deltas are going to be the reserved types(though some Alphas might not seem like this because of their aggressiveness).

I'm not talking about outgoingness and reservedness here. And I am not claiming that niffweed is reserved, not outgoing, or not talkative. I am saying that he is an introvert, that he is a type with a leading introverted function.

[Hitta]

lol... how did you come to that conclusion, what does introverted function mean?

[Phaedrus]

lol... how did you come to that conclusion, what does introverted function mean?

I rephrase it: niffweed is a person who is an introvert according to how that phenomenon is understood in Jung, MBTT, Socionics, and Keirsey. He is one of the types that are defined as introverted types in all of those "systems", "models", or "theories". How can you be so sure that he is not an ILI?

[Hitta]

you still haven't answered my question, how do you know he is an introvert? And what is an introvert?

I believe that everyone is both introverted and extraverted so its really a redundant category. But tell me what you think it is?

[Hitta]

another person that isn't even close to being an INTp is Jarno, for some reason the poor kid thinks that INTjs have willpower and INTps don't

[Phaedrus]

you still haven't answered my question, how do you know he is an introvert? And what is an introvert?

If you know anything about Socionics and the types you know what it is, since you have observed the phenomenon many, many times in your real life encounters with different people. Introversion is what all the introverted types (SLI, ILI, IEI, ISI ...etc) have in common with each other and which is none of the extraverted types (LSE, ILE ...etc) is in possesion of. Since the word "introversion" is a name, a rigid designator, we don't need to define it exactly.

I believe that everyone is both introverted and extraverted so its really a redundant category.

That belief is false. So you are basing your claims on at least one false premise -- that is not a good start ... How do you know that niffweed is not a ILI?

[Phaedrus]

another person that isn't even close to being an INTp is Jarno, for some reason the poor kid thinks that INTjs have willpower and INTps don't

If Jarno is not an INTp, then I am not an INTp either, that's for sure. So, if you can prove that Jarno is not an INTp, I will either change my mind about my own type, or through Socionics in the trash bag.

You probably think that both Jarno and I are INTjs, is that correct? Well, argue for it then. Falsify our claim that we are INTps. Put forward your strongest and most convincing arguments for your claim that we are INTjs (or whatever type you think we are).

[Hitta]

If you know anything about Socionics and the types you know what it is, since you have observed the phenomenon many, many times in your real life encounters with different people. Introversion is what all the introverted types (SLI, ILI, IEI, ISI ...etc) have in common with each other and which is none of the extraverted types (LSE, ILE ...etc) is in possesion of. Since the word "introversion" is a name, a rigid designator, we don't need to define it exactly.


That belief is false. So you are basing your claims on at least one false premise -- that is not a good start ... How do you know that niffweed is not a ILI?

If I were you I wouldn't be so quick to judge my system, for some reason no one yet has been able to tell me what is wrong with it. It seems logically sound on all aspects to me, a lot more so than original model A. I can tell you right now that you belief in model A is completely dumb. You've conformed into a flawed system(reminds me of politics). You're ideology behind the whole "this is the truth and that can't be right" is a gimmick I think for you. It doesn't seem authentic, as if it is being pressed forward for some reason. Maybe it is because you are wanting everyone to believe that you are an ILI(which in my views you are not, but I could be wrong).

On another note, you've still yet to tell me what introverted means. Whats the point in the categories if you don't know what they are?

[aestrivex]

this is fun to watch. a debate with no substance, no anything. it's almost gratifying to watch these idiots bash heads over the absolute void of observation, detail, or reason, both claiming that the other's categorization is incorrect, but offering no evidence to speak of in support.

[Not A Communist Shill]

Jets are like comets at sunset

[Hitta]

If Jarno is not an INTp, then I am not an INTp either, that's for sure. So, if you can prove that Jarno is not an INTp, I will either change my mind about my own type, or through Socionics in the trash bag.

You probably think that both Jarno and I are INTjs, is that correct? Well, argue for it then. Falsify our claim that we are INTps. Put forward your strongest and most convincing arguments for your claim that we are INTjs (or whatever type you think we are).

Does it really matter what I say, you aren't gonna change your beliefs anyways. Finally Russian socionics are starting to understand how the types really are. Gulenko describes INTps just as I describe them. They are people that try to fit in, they love their laws and systems that society has built. They are very loyal to authority. They are very risky with their endeavors, they usually take great risks. Well.... wait a minute!

Let me put this question to you, why is it that the people here think that ENTjs and INTps are so different. I've never seen an ENTj trying to attain originality. There aren't too many ENTj theoretical mathematicians. I didn't know that ENTjs were known for their imaginations. Why is it that if an ENTj isn't known for these things that an INTp should be?

[Hitta]

Intuition of time T (Ni in your classification):
proactive ("+"): intuition of reflection, waiting, reproducing of old tendences, past ~ Gulenko

+Ni is all about patience and willpower. INTps reflect on things. They aren't all that attempting to be original in the things they do or trying to be imaginative.

[Ms. Kensington]

this is fun to watch. a debate with no substance, no anything. it's almost gratifying to watch these idiots bash heads over the absolute void of observation, detail, or reason, both claiming that the other's categorization is incorrect, but offering no evidence to speak of in support.

This sounds like one of your sigs. really sounds like the end of a novel by william faulkner. Or like, some epic expose in the 1900s.

[Hitta]

this is fun to watch. a debate with no substance, no anything. it's almost gratifying to watch these idiots bash heads over the absolute void of observation, detail, or reason, both claiming that the other's categorization is incorrect, but offering no evidence to speak of in support.

And what observations or reason have you made or used? You act as if you go door to door like a salesman learning about the types. All I know is what makes sense to me. And what I believe seems a hell of a lot more sound than anything yall use.