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    Default Gammas only according to original model A by Gulenko

    proactive ("+"): submissiveness, voluntarism, following existing balance of forces, demobilization
    proactive ("+"): intuition of reflection, waiting, reproducing of old tendencies, past
    reactive ("-"): ethic of distancing, changing of psychological distance
    reactive ("-"): expenses, investments, risks, combination

    These are all of the functions that gamma use heavily according to Gulenko.
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    Wouldn't most married and employed adults be doing that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gulenko himself
    Its composition of such: SEE(TSEZAR'), ILI(BAL'ZAK), LIE(LONDON), ESI(DRAYZER). Element, most of all describing their special features of perception, water. Water is the cleaning beginning. It washes off entire mud, which was accumulated in the second stage by its flow. Simultaneously occurs erosion of the foundation, on which is raised the durable building of second quadras. Water spreads over the surface, filling with itself deepenings and cracks. So and the nature of third quadras is characterized by inconstancy, concealed reefs, internal seething, latent agitation, invisible on top flows.

    Third quadra confesses its special values. First, they include - R. This aspect indicates the criticism of evil, the tendency to leave from the poor people and the negative relations, to fence itself from the enemies and enemies. They want to minimize negative experiences, because all extruded problems, as it is known from the psychoanalysis, it is necessary one way or another to emotionally react, paying for the purification of subconsciousness physically.

    In the second place, their intuitive value + of T (intuition of future). Holding in control their internal seething and hot temper, these socionic types prefer gradual advance in the future, although sharply they reject the obsolete ideas, criticizing past errors and errors. Drawing near step by step near, real future, they as a whole believe in the linearity of development, i.e., according to their deep ideas, it is necessary to only remove the interfering obstacles - the survivals of the past - and immediately in front will be opened the unlimited possibilities of increase. This quadra does not fear chaos and shakings: they know how to make the matter under the conditions of spontaneity, risk, confusion.

    Their following radical value - - R, i.e., the business logic of risk and enterprise. The priority of refusal of the useless, the small, the customary is characteristic for them. This aspect stands higher than accumulation and rational consumption. Sotsiotipy of third quadras can successfully act under the conditions of the economic scarcity, when it is necessary to be twisted out, relying on the use of the fact that at first glance uselessly, but is located in the surplus.

    And finally the sensory value of this quadras - + F - durability and opposition. This quality testifies that that socionic types of quadras know how well to defend themselves and their positions. It it is not easy to pridti to the authority, since it is necessary to resist for volitional kvadre of "beta", but after taking authority, they successfully retain it in spite of all attempts at the restoration. Protection, the ability to give rebuff, not to let out from the hands achieved - that principle, which they respect. From the named values naturally appears the social mission of third quadras - purification, which should be understood both in the straight line and in the figurative sense of word. They restore the scolded or undergone distortions principles, making everything in order to remove barriers and impeding rapid advance forward limitations. Third quadra can be named kvadroy criticism and reforms. In contrast to "fiery" quadras, which is oriented, first of all, politically, "aqueous" quadra is oriented socially.

    Third quadra is older than the second, also, with respect to the psychological age. Its period - middle of life, maturity. It is no secret that precisely on reaching of the middle of that diverted to it the lifetime, men deeply thinks above the fact, as it lived earlier and, after foregoing the previous stereotypes, it was capable to steeply change the motion of its fate. The comprehension of the covered path from the height of the squandered years, the estimation of accumulated experience, the collection of "harvest" correspond in their essence of autumn - to that time in the annual cycle, when to each person it is evident, as it worked during the spring and the summer and what it objectively it stands. Autumn - time of bringing sums and carrying out of estimations.
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    Yeah, this passage that Joy quoted seems to explain what he meant, as both this and the Gulenko stuff posted by hitta above seem to be referring to basically the same idea of +/-. This helps because, in translation, it's difficult to tell what is meant by phrases such as "changing of psychological distance," but in the longer passage it's clear that he means something along the lines of removing oneself from bad, hurtful relationships or situations.

    In both passages, I think translation is a problem. I assume that by "poor" people, he doesn't mean people who have little money, but perhaps instead people who are hurtful in some way.

    As always, though, the problem is two-fold....first, grasping what he means, and secondly, determining whether it is in fact a good model to begin with. Apparently even Gulenko has changed his mind in various articles on how to interpret +/- or even how to assign which functions are + and -.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
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    This wasn't @ hitta, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    I assume that by "poor" people, he doesn't mean people who have little money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    As always, though, the problem is two-fold....first, grasping what he means, and secondly, determining whether it is in fact a good model to begin with. Apparently even Gulenko has changed his mind in various articles on how to interpret +/- or even how to assign which functions are + and -.
    Interesting.
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