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    what are L & M?
    6w5 sx
    model Φ: -+0
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    within the results section.
    6w5 sx
    model Φ: -+0
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    there is no L & M there, what are you talking about?
    maybe there isn't. at any rate it gave me NT/gamma.
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    I really don't understand these tests at all.

    Anyhow, here's a screendump. Perhaps you can decipher it for me.

    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Is there a non excel version of this test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    you don't have a spreadsheet program?

    http://www.openoffice.org/
    No, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    No, thanks.
    Google Docs?
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibliophile8 View Post
    Google Docs?

    Come again?

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    In any case, the test gives me delta ST.

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    Also for your statistic purposes here are my results.

    0 1
    0 1
    2 2
    2 1
    0 0
    0 0
    0 2
    0 1
    2 2
    2 1
    1 0
    2 1
    0 0
    0 0
    0 2
    0 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    Come again?
    here
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    It gives me Alpha NT

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I really don't understand these tests at all.
    What do you mean? The concept (matching your answers to what model A says the different types should be strong in and value) seems pretty clear

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    Apparently I'm a delta with a tie between NF/NT.
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

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    If the higher number means more likely, then we're getting somewhere!

    SF 2
    ST 6
    NF 6
    NT 4

    gamma 4
    delta 13
    alpha 5
    beta 7
    INFj

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    Test says I'm NT, Gamma.

    Gamma: 9
    Delta: 7
    Alpha: 6
    Beta: 4

    Anyway, some questions were too vague.
    "do work to ensure comfort"
    Sounds Si on the surface but doesn't everyone work to maintain a certain lifestyle for themselves? Some might relate that to comfort.

    And I have to ask something:

    "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved, people situations are solved, behavior is corrected, a morality violator is punished. being an achiever and forceful to make sure social norms and relationships are as wanted"

    Do Gamma SFs really use forceful behavior to follow social norms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    what are L & M?
    i didn't quite grasp the question..
    She's referring to columns L & M. What do they refer to.

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    What does "creating comfort for productive work" mean?
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibliophile8 View Post
    What does "creating comfort for productive work" mean?
    Looking around and cleaning your stuff so you could have better access to your recourses, heating up the place if it's too cold, eating something before a long session of work and so on. You know, so that while you are doing something you can do it with relative ease, comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    Looking around and cleaning your stuff so you could have better access to your recourses, heating up the place if it's too cold, eating something before a long session of work and so on. You know, so that while you are doing something you can do it with relative ease, comfort.
    So it refers to Si.
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibliophile8 View Post
    So it refers to Si.
    I wouldn't necessarily agree. Some people like to just not have problems when they are doing stuff. It could be referring to perfectionism as well. I think.

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    SF 8 gamma 6
    ST 8 delta 3
    NF 8 alpha 5
    NT 14 beta 4
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    oh, let me post the full scores -

    SF 6
    ST 6
    NF 6
    NT 9

    gamma 6
    delta 5
    alpha 5
    beta 3

    and for stats -

    1 0
    1 1
    0 1
    2 2
    0 1
    1 1
    0 0
    0 1
    1 1
    1 1
    1 0
    0 0
    2 2
    1 1
    1 0
    1 1
    6w5 sx
    model Φ: -+0
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    SF 6
    ST 6
    NF 7
    NT 4

    gamma 8
    delta 12
    alpha 14
    beta 8

    alpha sf- gamma nt 5 x alpha sf ISFP
    alpha nt-gamma sf #REF!
    beta nf-delta st -6
    beta st-delta nf -2 x delta nf INFJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily agree. Some people like to just not have problems when they are doing stuff. It could be referring to perfectionism as well. I think.
    Precisely. I don't think the question was structured very well. And it's also too vague.
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    I cant answer this test. I think to much in some question and i don't get the perfect self from this test.
    Fuck!

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    dee, we want answers.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Using the same answers I gave before:

    INFj

    9w1 sp/sx

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    hey dee, in the graph in the new file, what are the different series?

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    hey I think you have some of the formulas the wrong way around

    - like you INTj row refers to the ENTp question and vice versa, your INFp row refers to the ENFj question etc

    but anyway, the quadra/club sums are right, and they give me:

    Gamma NT (11)
    Delta NF, Alpha NT (8)
    ...
    Gamma SF, Alpha SF (-1)
    Beta ST (-4)


    (though I answered 'not sure' to most questions)

    Edit: actually your equations aren't the wrong way around, I was mistaken. The idea of each question is "using creative function in order to fulfill need of base function", right?
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    isfp -4
    esfj -4
    intj 5
    entp 7
    enfj -2
    infp -1
    estp 2
    istj -1
    istp 4
    estj 2
    infj 2
    enfp 5
    entj 8
    intp 8
    esfp -1
    isfj -2

    alpha 4
    beta -2
    delta 13
    gamma 13

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    isfp 2
    esfj 0
    intj 4
    entp 3
    enfj -2
    infp -3
    estp 2
    istj 1
    istp 4
    estj 6
    infj 2
    enfp 1
    entj -1
    intp 0
    esfp 1
    isfj 0

    alpha 9
    beta -2
    delta 13
    gamma 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    hey I think you have some of the formulas the wrong way around
    - like you INTj row refers to the ENTp question and vice versa, your INFp row refers to the ENFj question etc
    Is this fixed already? It might be the defining difference in my case.

    Anyways, this test puts me clearly as Alpha NT. In my typing threads I have been singled out as being ENTp, ENFp, INFp and definately irrational. It seems these things together point strongly to ENTp.

    However looking only at the result of this test and my likely enneagram type of 5w6 I cannot rule out INTj either. (INTj and ENTp have equal score but INFj scores way way higher than ESTp)

    Actually, dee, I have been quite suspicious of your interpretation of socionics for quite some time but perhaps things have recently "clicked" in your head as this test looks extremely promising to me. The aspects of this test are very good. It is simple, consistent and differentiates types and quadras exceptionally well. Hard to say about the aspects i.e. does it really match with reality but if you look at the answers of some people also aspects seem promising. Perhaps differentiating mirrors is one potential achilles heel. There are some people, me and tereg included, who might get mirror types mixed up. Or not, cant say yet. Perhaps we are INTj and INFj instead of ENTp and ENFp as the common concensus goes.

    I guess I have to finally admit that I'm not Gamma or INTp and ESFp is not my dual

    isfp 3
    esfj 3
    intj 8
    entp 8
    enfj 7
    infp 4
    estp -3
    istj 4
    istp -2
    estj 1
    infj 6
    enfp -2
    entj 3
    intp 3
    esfp -4
    isfj -4

    alpha 22
    beta 12
    delta 3
    gamma -2

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post
    Is this fixed already? It might be the defining difference in my case.
    Sorry, I edited my post to say that I was mistaken - I just thought the ENFj question sounded more like INFp etc, but then I realised the structure underlying each of the questions (using creative function to realise base function), and it all made sense.

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    Funnily, my wife ended up testing has her mirror (too?). Quadra went right, club went right, but wrong mirror type. I remember Hugo and perhaps some others too having problems with getting the mirrors right. I think in the end Hugo gave up on that and just made his test give both mirror types as an answer (as it is generally not that hard to separate between mirror types using other means. Just in tests it is difficult.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    ezra came out as ENTP, ESTJ or ISTP.
    LSE or SLI I could understand. But why ILE? I don't understand the inner workings behind it.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    what are L & M?
    LMNOP
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    which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
    I agree with Joy that the exact wording of the questions should be improved. E.g. questions 2 and 3 do not properly differentiate ISFp and ESFj. Many of the questions 12+ are way too long and hard to grasp.

    But I really like the framework. It is just that the wording of the questions need to be refined.

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    Dee, if ESI's were anything like your question makes them sound, they would not be the dual of LIE's.
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