ILE-ENTp weaknesses

[Suomea]

Out of curiosity, are there any ILE's that do not have this as a weakness?

Don't necessarily view this as a weakness in myself. I constantly evaluate the morals of the things I do to the point where it makes me very sad and somewhat depresses me. Like I'll constantly tell people rediculously immoral ways of getting out of situations... but I'll never let them go through with it, and I'll pseudo get angry at anyone who takes my somewhat sarcastic 'ridiculous' advice at face value.

[Jimbean]

I find myself having to reassure that I understand what people say quite often. As if it were not first described in a straight forward logical way, I would have to ask for clarification.

[Lotus]

Well I don't think I laughed just because it was funny.
I usually smile/laugh at anything uncomfortable.

Like nervous laugh?
I still smile while I drive which must look crazy to other people, a happy smiley driver with tense hands, but that's what I do.
And sometimes its hard to make oneself sad when they're not. Like last week someone I knew died and when I went to tell one of my friends I couldn't help but have a wide grin plastered on my face. "Hey. Guess who died?" And while this came out of my mouth I was praying that the smile would fall off of my face but it never did. It's hard to keep a straight face, especially when you really mean it.

It's sort of like how actors need to portray emotions that they don't really feel. Except I really DO feel them. I can feel sad but for some reason I cannot look it. And then sometimes I'm worried that I don't look sincerely sad which is ridiculous because I really AM SAD, and I shouldn't have to think this much about looking like I feel.

But then there are the times when I realize that society wants me to feel sad in response to a concussion, when all I can do is laugh.

This is probably irrelevant.

I would be a horrible doctor.

Oh, and she had another concussion last night (her third!).
I am so not kidding, either.

[theMime.]

well (not speaking for anamericancer or anything) it's not that you don't care, it's that based on the facts - you don't expect anything bad to come out of it. like, you know she's been through it before and been fine so you expect that she would OK this time too. and she would kind of say, well, that my sis, always bumping her head in gymnastics.

but yeah this comes across as not caring.....but i'm quite sure anamericancer loves her sister very much. in a way, it reveals that anamericancer does not want to believe that anything bad would happen, because she'd be devasted if it did. almost like denial or something. and if anything did happen, she'd prolly be the first one at her side, going overboard to help.

so it's not that ILE doesn't care about people, it's more that they are out of touch with the uncaring emotional image their verbal expressions convey to others. some people might go by the image instead of what actions the ILE would really take in the situation.

[theMime.]

Don't think or view myself as ever being worthy of love nor do I think I ever will be

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[theMime.]

why is this so important to you?

what? the fact that this person feels unworthy of love? why do you think?? I had to force myself not to cry when I read that.

[Lotus]

you're no ENTP i guess. IN(F)P is my current guess.

I think my last post completely sucks.
I don't really think that much of how I come across towards other people.
But I'm really confused and freshly showered. And my hair smells good.

[Blaze]

I think my last post completely sucks.
I don't really think that much of how I come across towards other people.
But I'm really confused and freshly showered. And my hair smells good.

yeah you don't hide it girl for sure. LOL

but you are def not infp. but you are cool!

[theMime.]

Why do you get so emotional reading the forums?

Well... I guess I can be emotional too, I usually just get angry at some sort of stupid comment.

I'm an E4. Emotion is my life.
And think about it...how would you feel if you thought you were unworthy of love? Life is shit with out love and even shittier if you think you're not worth loving. Hmmm but maybe I interpreted it wrong...I was thinking love in general...they prolly meant romantic love...but still tho. Nobody is unlovable.

[bibliophile8]

what? the fact that this person feels unworthy of love? why do you think?? I had to force myself not to cry when I read that.

Good intentions, but overdramatic much?

[theMime.]

Good intentions, but overdramatic much?

over dramatic? no. over emotional? yes.

and thanks for noticing my intentions...that made me feel good. =)

uhmmm well I don't see why feeling bad for someone who feels unlovable is weird tho.

[theMime.]

You're talking about Fi-PoLR/Fe-HA types, this is sort of their paranoia and fear all rolled into one. And I would say it goes further then just romantic love, it deals with paranoia concerning relationships and fear concerning the emotional expression.

Why do you think people some people would be afraid about being worthy of being loved? It could be because some people are not sure if they can reciprocate the love, and thus are unworthy. It ties together in a logical kind of fashion. If I do not have such feelings towards others, how can I be worthy of others having such feelings for me. This kind of thinking. So I hope you have a idea how this sort of thinking plays out.

I think that there are not many people who are unlovable, but there are many who are unloved. So statistically, not being loved is not really a anomaly. I feel it's pretty normal, well maybe just logical to feel that one might not be worthy of being bestowed this arrangement of chemical fulfillment by the universe.

So you mean that there are people in the world that feel unworthy of love and don't feel bad about it? And that in some circumstances that's even normal? I didn't know. Either that or I misenterpreted.


"it deals with paranoia concerning relationships and fear concerning the emotional expression." fear of not being able to express emotion? paranoia of what aspect of relationships?

[theMime.]

I think a person can feel pretty bad about it, but it's just a thing you know. Kinda of like a elephant in the living room one waves at when they walk out of the house. It's there, but they learn to live with it. After a while that elephant's just a normal part of one's life.

There's still a lot of other parts of life, but yes, getting that elephant out of the living room would be a nice thing.

I think that a person can feel unsure of a relationship, and that uncertainty will lead to a fear of letting themselves be vulnerable and that can lead to closing up of one's emotions.

it's an elephant that doesn't exist.
well ok two elephants
one is feeling unworthy of love...that one exists
but the other one...
being unlovable
that one doesn't exist
at all

we're all human
we all make mistakes
we all have flaws
but
we also all have stengths
and things that make us amazing and unique

and we're all lovable.

[theMime.]

At least there aren't two elephants in the living room.
If they were male and female, that would be some kind of disturbance.

And maybe baby elephants in time.. there could be a elephant family in the living room. But elephants aren't meant to be in living rooms, they're meant to be in the wild, but sometimes they get stuck where they shouldn't.

HAHAHAHAHA!
Omgsh hkkmr that was perfect!

[Creepy-Cyclops]

There good fun, and fun to be around, but you always get that feeling you can never be sure that they mean what they say, and also that its just a matter of time before they get bored with you and move on to someone or something else.

Its the sort of thing that stops them developing real friends, and I don't understand that.

[Lotus]

There good fun, and fun to be around, but you always get that feeling you can never be sure that they mean what they say, and also that its just a matter of time before they get bored with you and move on to someone or something else.

Its the sort of thing that stops them developing real friends, and I don't understand that.

Most just have more fun floating around and talking to different people at once.
I'm in a floaty mood right now. I think I'm going to give beta a visit.

Even though they all clearly dislike me.

[Steve]

I think ISTj-Ti is more likely, considering the linearity of his academic and early law career. (And by VI/video too.) Also apparently a long-time friend of Jim Cramer who I think is ESTp-Ti.

I totally agree on Jim Cramer - ESTp-Ti

[mikemex]

I know two ILEs from close: my sister and one friend.

My sister has an IEI boyfriend and I think that affects her because she's not dualized. She's aggressive, inconsiderate and stuff.

My friend has a dual spouse and seems far more nicer, although somewhat annoying because his Fe HA seems rather obvious. He's always trying to impress me by inventing a lot of stuff. I know he lies to me often and exaggerates, but I know that it would be hurtful for him to be exposed so I don't do it.

[Lotus]

I know two ILEs from close: my sister and one friend.

My sister has an IEI boyfriend and I think that affects her because she's not dualized. She's aggressive, inconsiderate and stuff.

My friend has a dual spouse and seems far more nicer, although somewhat annoying because his Fe HA seems rather obvious. He's always trying to impress me by inventing a lot of stuff. I know he lies to me often and exaggerates, but I know that it would be hurtful for him to be exposed so I don't do it.

ILEs suck, huh.
I only wish I knew one.

[Creepy-bg]

Wait, you're not saying you suck, are you?

I'd hardly call that a weakness

[Lotus]

I'd hardly call that a weakness

ay!

[Wittmont]

This rings of Eliot Spitzer the Gov. of NY who tried to impliment drivers licenses for illegal immigrants in ny. He's just ahead of his time and I think really a supreme alpha male. He's a total genius.

Spitzer just destroyed his career in a sex scandal. Typical Shadow disaster.

[shakealittle]

It's like they are unable to censor themselves at all. I never know if they're joking or not (though that's more my issue). I've decided to just banter with them no matter what they say to keep the peace.

[Satan]

It's like they are unable to censor themselves at all. I never know if they're joking or not (though that's more my issue). I've decided to just banter with them no matter what they say to keep the peace.

That's not a weakness.

[wasp]

pretty sure they're immortal.

[Exodus]

ILE have no weak.

Pretty sure they believe that.

[The Reality Denialist]

I have a dental cavity. It can kill you.

And four infected wisdom teeth.

[Syynth]

I have a dental cavity. It can kill you.

And four infected wisdom teeth.

I brushed my teeth after reading this.

[The Reality Denialist]

I have total mastery over sensory domain. For example: I fell down two times today while walking. I have amazingly good reflexes though that appear from nowhere in crisis without that it would have been at least 4 and possibly ended up in much worse condition.

While I look (at least) intellectually confident person, I have huge problems establishing it IRL. OTOH I'm so scattered that I don't give out lot of confidence in maintenance (which is true).

Connecting to people. That's a freaking challenge. It's not a two way street it's one way. While many may consider me nice, entertaining and pleasant it's still one way.

The front can be very deceiving. People don't see it at first the second time they are totally baffled.

[Rebelondeck]

ILEs have difficulty producing a product even though they usually know what needs to be done and how to generally do it, and may have produced the initial ideas; when it comes to actual implementation, things frequently go off the rails. They're so distractible but often blame others or unforeseen circumstances (certainly not themselves) for their distractions, and then try to get others to do the leg work that they should have been doing all along. The organizations that they run are somewhat like ships without rudders so the people on the oars have to really pull together.


a.k.a. I/O

[The Reality Denialist]

The legwork part is largely Fi PoLR combined with Si.When logic rules then making relational connections is largely seen as unethical procedure. At least to me it is. Playing favorites is really disgusting. Universally applied logical high horse. Atmosphere and such is kind of important, though which is Fe part.

So many times heard things like: That's great improvement.
Second time: Wow.
Third time: Do something about it, or I will.

[squark]

Rube Goldberg machines.

[The Reality Denialist]

Rube Goldberg machines.

yeah.
I have thought out several systems in my head. Sometimes when I start the required expertise goes beyond my skills so it is easy to drop...

This guy was successful version of ILE (although he married ESI)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spede_Pasanen

Well not among critics (ILIs)

[Soupman]

ILEs have difficulty producing a product even though they usually know what needs to be done and how to generally do it, and may have produced the initial ideas; when it comes to actual implementation, things frequently go off the rails. They're so distractible but often blame others or unforeseen circumstances (certainly not themselves) for their distractions, and then try to get others to do the leg work that they should have been doing all along. The organizations that they run are somewhat like ships without rudders so the people on the oars have to really pull together.


a.k.a. I/O

sounds like someone incompetent, I don't se that impairment being type related

[Rebelondeck]

sounds like someone incompetent, I don't se that impairment being type related

I don't look upon these limitations in processing as impairments that prevent people from being productive or doing things; humankind is far more resilient than that and workarounds are usually found. However, all people have to keep in check certain aspects of themselves; otherwise, things will go off the rails. I'm socially awkward in an LII-ish sort of way but my job forces me to meet with countless numbers of people on a daily basis; if I hid in my office, like is my natural tendency, my career would be over. I have seen many examples where types have succumbed to their type-limitations not having found their workarounds; and, indeed, all types do need to compensate albeit differently - the primary key to a solution is to first acknowledge the limitation.

a.k.a. I/O

[The Reality Denialist]

Well once someone in authority position offered their help. I lashed out very intensely because I saw it as really unfair regarding rest of the world and turned it down immediately.

I don't actually know how to turn this around. At least I'm not corrupt like some valuers.

[Exodus]

Rube Goldberg machines.

An ILE (in my opinion) Tim Berners-Lee is responsible for what is now arguably the biggest Rube Goldberg machine on the planet, the Web.

[Rebelondeck]

............I lashed out very intensely because I saw it as really unfair regarding rest of the world............

I've found that the N-types seem to focus a lot on unfairness but the aspect that kills a lot of relationships and careers is how one reacts to it. It's the preachers against the unfairness that seem to lose over the ones that take advantage of it. Many IXE are shunned as too idealistic for a world that demands pragmatic adherence to party lines. At a retirement luncheon, the guest of honour said: "To be successful around here, you have to be blind; if one is not blind, you have to act blind; and if you act blind long enough, you become blind." I think the retiree was a N-type but a practical one because he survived.......

a.k.a. I/O

[Adam Strange]

I've found that the N-types seem to focus a lot on unfairness but the aspect that kills a lot of relationships and careers is how one reacts to it. It's the preachers against the unfairness that seem to lose over the ones that take advantage of it. Many IXE are shunned as too idealistic for a world that demands pragmatic adherence to party lines. At a retirement luncheon, the guest of honour said: "To be successful around here, you have to be blind; if one is not blind, you have to act blind; and if you act blind long enough, you become blind." I think the retiree was a N-type but a practical one because he survived.......

a.k.a. I/O

Sounds like a great place to work.....not.

[Rebelondeck]

Sounds like a great place to work.....not.

I noted that when one works in government and government-funded institutions, selective blindness to unfairness is absolutely necessary for ones survival. Most civil servants have an added complication to their work; high-level politics from elected officials trickles down to the lowest level; and this is why these institutions become so inefficient.

a.k.a. I/O