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    Default sociological [and unusual] way to understand enneagram

    I'm referring one more time to this webpage : http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/articles/NArtTina.asp

    It resembles this :

    Code:
       SND
    E1 =-=
    E2 +==
    E3 ==+
    E4 -=-
    E5 =+-
    E6 -+=
    E7 +++
    E8 --+
    E9 +--
    Let's suppose that :

    - there's a function : brain_activity(type), which measures the overall brain activity for each type.

    - each minus sign (low) scores 1, each equal sign (moderate) scores 2, and each plus sign (high) scores 3.

    Code:
    type  brain_activity(type)
    1     (2 + 1 + 2) = 5
    2     (3 + 2 + 2) = 7
    3     (2 + 2 + 3) = 7
    4     (1 + 2 + 1) = 4
    5     (2 + 3 + 1) = 6
    6     (1 + 3 + 2) = 6
    7     (3 + 3 + 3) = 9
    8     (1 + 1 + 3) = 4
    9     (3 + 1 + 1) = 4
    Low brain activity : E4, E8, E9

    Moderate brain activity : E1, E5, E6

    High brain activity : E2, E3, E7

    Three homogenous groups. You can draw them like that :



    This renders a classical definition of E/I dichotomy. Yes. It may be a mistake, but it is NOT a joke.


    Short description of brain activity groups :

    WARNING: these descriptions may appear harsh or shocking to sensitive people.

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    [align=left:d3e3c5c748]Low brain activity types are pretty passive, and may feel or like they are missing everything to appear socially "ok", and tend to rely mostly on some skill to have a correct social life or to be productive : on mental skills (E4), physical skills (E8) or social skills (E9).

    Moderate brain activity types are somewhat cool and balanced, and productive, but they seem to lack an essential skill to appear socially "ok" : mental skills (E1), physical skills (E5) or social skills (E6).

    High brain activity types give some positive feeling, are mostly good company, and are like they like people. These types are the most socially active and productive, and are the most socially image-giving. They are models. But they have to master some skill they tend to use excessively (and thus, in an egocentric or antisocial manner) to be socially "ok" : mental skills (E3), physical skills (E7) or social skills (E2).

    Are these types correlated to social classes ? Are 489's social models of lower-class people, 156's social models of working-class or middle-class people, and 237's social models of upper-class people ? I feel these groups are like the were in a catalogue.

    Are 489's more inclined to be poverty-stricken or incarcerated than 237's ?
    Are 237's more inclined to be socially successful/adequate than 489's ?

    Do 489's, 156's, 237's tend to form groups likes quadras or such ? They really seem (theoretically) to help each other in the group, i.e. "TRI-alize" like socionic pairs "DU-alize".
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    (EDIT: minor mistakes)

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    What are you calling "upper-class people"? Bureaucratic ENA graduates in France? Aristocrats? Yuppies?

    In France, vast numbers of the "upper class" are the ENA elite -- so you think most of them are 237?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    In France, vast numbers of the "upper class" are the ENA elite -- so you think most of them are 237?
    This possibility is not excluded, but I was talking of some sort of internal social archetypal catalogue, like Quadras, Clubs, Spiral Dynamics levels or such.

    This may be part of what Jung calls "collective unconscious"

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    Then I have no idea of what you're referring to with your "social classes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Then I have no idea of what you're referring to with your "social classes".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

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    Let's take a concrete example :

    I. count poor people you know, and rich people you know.
    II. what percentage of poor people belong to the 489 group ? and how many % of rich people you know are 237's ?

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    from http://www.hyperlexia.org/aha_social..._training.html :

    (...) in any given class, between twelve and twenty percent of the children are not named. They are not liked or disliked, they simply do not exist. How do we identify those kids? They are the kids who hang on the fringe of the playground; they don't join in when asked. They watch other kids play.

    Two percent of students are actively disliked by their peers. They are the bullies, the meanies, the physically abusive ones. They generally do not compromise when in conflict with another child, and their alternatives are often inappropriate.

    Strange or unusual kids are often disliked. They are often teased because of their odd behavior or because they cannot be understood by others.


    respectively : E9, E8, and E4. Although some E6's or E1's may have some bully-like behaviour, and E5's odd behaviour.

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