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    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
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    I don't think so. For me, it depends on the situation. When I'm alone, I like to think that I am open-minded to alternate ways of looking at things. But often in interactions, I'm not going to accept everything you say. But if you make a good argument for it, and I don't have a lot of contrary information, then I'm very prone to agree with you.

    Does that make sense?
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    That does but could your open-mindedness also be contributed to you being an intuitive type and seeing possibilities and such? Perhaps Beta STs are more closed minded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    In as much as can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    That does but could your open-mindedness also be contributed to you being an intuitive type and seeing possibilities and such? Perhaps Beta STs are more closed minded?
    I can't really speak for sensors. I've wondered before if they are naturally more closed-minded than intuitors, but I'm not familiar enough with those types to hold an opinion.
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    I think that any function can be considered "not open enough to [insert preferred function]"

    Fi's can complain that someone's not open enough to Fi info
    Ne's can complain that someone's not open enough to Ne info
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    Ti...
    etc etc

    many people call this "not open to X function" as being "closedminded"

    but then, i don't even know if it's functions, or if it's just someone else not being open to what's in your own mind (general your, not you personally, L&LL). Even those who share the same functions can argue that the other is being closedminded (or rather....not open to what the other is thinking/feeling/doing).


    oh, and then there's the whole thing of maybe it's actually the caller who's being closedminded to the callee's view of things...who's really being the closedminded one then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    that would be the wrong way of going about looking at it. to say that it's closed-minded, in addition to being a highly loaded term, doesn't even begin to describe exactly what it is about Ti that can be perceived as closed-minded (from a Te/Fi perspective).


    Ti types can be very open-minded when dealing with Ti information (point in case: look at tcaud's immediate acceptance of hitta's +/- model). it's other kinds of information that isn't relevant or important to Ti that Ti types might seem more indignant towards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    In as much as can.
    Exactly. will tend to appear close-minded to , just like to .
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    then there's rick's explanation that the further down the Model A you go, the more rigid and limited the IM becomes. so Ti as a polr would seem close-minded and rigid. Ti in a leading function is open to many many Ti possibilities.

    so it's not the information element itself, it's the user's use of said information element and their ability to perceive said information element.

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    Objectively, I can see how both Fi- and Ti-leading people would be seen as close-minded. Those with base Fi are essentially quite moralistic and have well-defined standards. Their relationships are extremely important to them, and thus they want to act and be seen in a certain way, most likely to maintain said relationships. Ti base people like laws, rules and systems and dislike that which does not fit into this. The erratic and spontaneous nature of the IEE, for example, the LSI could not deal with.
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    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    In as much as can.
    Exactly. will tend to appear close-minded to , just like to .
    Of course as niffweed said, types may be close-minded to issues and types may be close-minded to issues. Of course, on any issue in which there is at least one individual who cares deeply enough about it and someone else who does value that same issue, they will both reciprocally view each other as being close-minded on the issue and completely missing the point entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    In as much as can.
    Exactly. will tend to appear close-minded to , just like to .
    Of course as niffweed said, types may be close-minded to issues and types may be close-minded to issues. Of course, on any issue in which there is at least one individual who cares deeply enough about it and someone else who does value that same issue, they will both reciprocally view each other as being close-minded on the issue and completely missing the point entirely.
    closed- minded does make sense from an extraverted function's view.

    would you say you are showing bias here -- why would "caring deeply" about an issue necessarily be the thing that causes mutual closed-mindedness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    OK so not passing any judgements or criticisms here, but can be associated with closed-mindedness?
    In as much as can.
    Exactly. will tend to appear close-minded to , just like to .
    Of course as niffweed said, types may be close-minded to issues and types may be close-minded to issues. Of course, on any issue in which there is at least one individual who cares deeply enough about it and someone else who does value that same issue, they will both reciprocally view each other as being close-minded on the issue and completely missing the point entirely.
    closed- minded does make sense from an extraverted function's view.

    would you say you are showing bias here -- why would "caring deeply" about an issue necessarily be the thing that causes mutual closed-mindedness?
    No not really and I do not see why that would indicate a bias of mine. I just wanted to have a sense to show a case of differentiation of values, especially as it relates to inter-Quadra values, with closed-mindedness. So caring deeply about an issues would not necessarily be the only thing that causes mutual closed-mindedness, but I was not trying to describe the only scenario in which it would.
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