niffweed and ILIs
Who does niffweed consider to be "real, actual ILIs?" Why does he not consider "phaedrus, dioklecian, jarno, [me], warlord, [or] crazedrat" to be ILI? And why is he so hostile towards us? I believe that this sort of behavior seems very much unlike that of an ILI. It's a shame niffweed has me on his ignore list, and is therefore unwilling to discuss this issue, like a mature adult.
Re: niffweed and ILIs
yeah it seems he's got me on the ignore list too, guess I've hit a weak spot.Originally Posted by drd252
1) I've met a couple of ILI's in real life. One of them reminded me of Niffweed, because of his big ego. Pretended to be always right, and know the absolute truth. Though he often makes mistakes.
2) Indeed he's offensive to people. His comments consists mostly of a statement, without an argument. (e.g. You are stupid) This tactic is to make your opponent look weak, without giving them a chance to comment back, since you didn't give arguments that can be attacked.
3) His recurring humor isn't funny the 500th time. But his probable motivation is to ridiculize the topic starter anyway.
4) Why he thinks he's the only ILI...Because he doesn't spot the same arrogant behaviour in us?
5) Is niffweed an ILI. I would say yes, but with a lack of the ILI politeness.
Normally I hate personal attacks like this, but for an arrogant kid like Niffweed it's a justified exception.
i don't know what this is and i don't care.
Interesting colors.
Yeah, that shit hurt my eyes. At least it's better than the last one where it was vomit green.
lol
It is apparently about you ignoring and being hostile to several self claimed ILIs who you don't think are ILIs. And about you not be willing to discuss the matter like an adult. or sumthing.
so i surmised.
I have doubts about the types of everyone mentioned in this thread, as well as a couple other people who think they're ILI who's types I doubt as well. The only members who I can think of right now who I am very confident are ILI are reyn and Cone. Not that there aren't other ILI's here, I'm just not sure who they are (and/or they didn't come to mind when I tried to think of forum ILI's).
(Not that niffweed isn't ILI. It is probable that he is, I'm just not totally confident in that.) And no, I'm not trying to start a discussion about anyone's type. Just commenting on your list, drd252.
Obviously my understanding of ILI's could use some improvement.
Well apparently Implied, Reyn, SteveENTj, INTJGuy, BLautritson and Cone who else is there? :wink:
I don't really care what people think about my type. So far (somewhere) I have been suggested to be ESTp and INFj
Maybe I just have too hot bod to believed to be INTp
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
he questioned whether i was an ESFp or not too. Although I was pretty offended and pissed off by someone questioning my type without me asking the forum about it- as if i were a child or something- but talking to niffweed afterwards and clarifying a lot of stuff made it a lot better. He's a really nice kid deep down, but just like the rest of you ILIs, you need to give them some time to let them in and understand them. Because he is younger than many of us here too shows that maybe he shows actions and behaviors more typical to an ILI.
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I honestly just think he's fucking bored.
i really don't understand this kind of reaction. based on my initial observations of you, i didn't think you were SEE, and said so. how is this a crime? would you rather i lied to you?
Rather not make any diagnoses when you've just observed someone for 5 minutes ...on an internet forum. It's pretty naive to expect to know them.i really don't understand this kind of reaction. based on my initial observations of you, i didn't think you were SEE, and said so. how is this a crime? would you rather i lied to you?
Assuming people aren't able to find out their type by themselves is pretty... well i've already said enough for one day.
Yeah, that's why I don't ask on here, you're pretty limited on "getting to know someone" when all you see is their text.
Re: niffweed and ILIs
I agree. Almost right from the start, when niffweed joined the forum, I have thought that he really is an ILI. He is slightly different from some other ILIs here, but not too different from me in some respects. I have never had any reason to seriously doubt his ILI-ness, and if he identifies strongly with his own ILI description at wikisocion, he most certainly is an ILI.
I am also certain that you are an ILI, Jarno, and I agree with niffweed that Jonathan is an ILI. On the types of the other ILI candidates mentioned in the first post in this thread I have no strong opinion. Warlord has so far struck me as rather different from other self-proclaimed ILIs, but maybe he is an ILI too. I have no very strong reason to doubt that his self-typing is correct anyway.
Perhaps this is true; I used to have a major superiority complex, and actively hate on everyone simply for my own amusement.
Why does it matter that niffweed does not recognize a group of people as ILI's?
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because i am god.
I literally scared my office neighbors by laughing so damn hard.
it's basically what Jarno said- i was like, this kid doesn't even know me? i guess my reaction was because of my interpretation of the criticism of my PoLRRather not make any diagnoses when you've just observed someone for 5 minutes ...on an internet forum. It's pretty naive to expect to know them.i really don't understand this kind of reaction. based on my initial observations of you, i didn't think you were SEE, and said so. how is this a crime? would you rather i lied to you?
Assuming people aren't able to find out their type by themselves is pretty... well i've already said enough for one day.... but you're right, i would'nt have wanted u to lie to me, but that was just my initial, illogical, ridiculous ESFp defensive reaction to my
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honestly i can't understand why saying that i didn't believe that you were some type would be a Ti hit.
It is in the fact that because you did not know me, and obviously with me knowing myself better, thinking that you were seeing something in me that made me not an ESFp that I was not aware of. Does that make sense?
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Did you really just try to imply that ILIs are inherently polite? With Fe PoLR? This thread cracks me up.
What if he's not questioning your personality, but rather your understanding of Socionics? Which isn't a completely illegitimate thing to do, given some of the shit you've said on this forum.It is in the fact that because you did not know me, and obviously with me knowing myself better, thinking that you were seeing something in me that made me not an ESFp that I was not aware of. Does that make sense?
no. it doesn't make sense at all in the context of a Ti polr hit.It is in the fact that because you did not know me, and obviously with me knowing myself better, thinking that you were seeing something in me that made me not an ESFp that I was not aware of. Does that make sense?
I wouldn't get upset about questioning about logical, theoretical criticism from my dual- that's what they're there forWhat if he's not questioning your personality, but rather your understanding of Socionics? Which isn't a completely illegitimate thing to do, given some of the shit you've said on this forum.It is in the fact that because you did not know me, and obviously with me knowing myself better, thinking that you were seeing something in me that made me not an ESFp that I was not aware of. Does that make sense?
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Well you're silly for taking it personally. You obviously know approximately nothing about real Socionics, so you could do with some of niffweed's advice, whether you're completely intellectually insecure or not
this is something of an exaggeration. obviously, there have been a number of things that she's posted here about socionics that really don't make any sense. however, i've talked to her, not extensively, via PM/IM/email, and she has effectively demonstrated that she has a basic idea of certain legitimate concepts. how extensive her knowledge really is, i'm not really able to evaluate.
Yes- you questioned my conclusion to my type. Coming to a conclusion about one's type isno. it doesn't make sense at all in the context of a Ti polr hit.It is in the fact that because you did not know me, and obviously with me knowing myself better, thinking that you were seeing something in me that made me not an ESFp that I was not aware of. Does that make sense?is also used in typing someone such as looking at consistent and enduring behaviors, actions, and beliefs of a person in order to type someone. However, regarding the use of
In fact in asking me questions about me and my type were purely based on
BTW, Gilly you're officially on ignore so yap all you want
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Your distinction between types seems arbitrary based upon how people have labeled their type. If Gilly marked himself as a ILI, would you still have said the same thing? Or what if these self-typed ILIs had said the same thing that Gilly did? Let us say probably not. And then what if these self-typed ILIs turned out not to be ILIs? Or what if they are ILIs and say the same thing? Would you claim a Ti-PoLR hit then?I wouldn't get upset about questioning about logical, theoretical criticism from my dual- that's what they're there for
Not at all.Yes- you questioned my conclusion to my type. Coming to a conclusion about one's type is
In fact in asking me questions about me and my type that were purely based on
Why? What has he done?BTW, Gilly you're officially on ignore so yap all you want
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Prodded her insecurities, apparently.
umm... no. your functional interpretations here are overextending what the functions actually do on a massive level. first of all, they don't make any sense. really, at all. try looking at them.
Yes- you questioned my conclusion to my type. Coming to a conclusion about one's type is
try rereading that? if there was an actual concept behind that, it certainly got very badly garbled in translation.coming to a conclusion about one's type is Ti in the sense that this quality, this quality, and this quality interact to make you this type.
equally as importantly, you're trying to assign these sort of random attributes to particular functions.
why would you say this? these are things that ANY type can do. Ni is not exclusive to this at all. Ni, in brief, might be about patterns, beliefs, etc. but Ni is not about recognizing things in other people; Ni types might have a strong sense of understanding long-term patterns in the world around them, or have highly developed moral/philosophical complexes. basically this shows a lack of understanding of what Ni does.Ni is also used in typing someone such as looking at consistent and enduring behaviors, actions, and beliefs of a person in order to type someone.
in short, i really can't make head or tail of what you're talking about.
i want to say that i agree with almost everything that gilly has said in this thread, and that which i don't i've already taken issue with.BTW, Gilly you're officially on ignore so yap all you want
yes. that's another thing. you're taking everybody and treating them based on your prejudices about all the types. this is really an insane way to go about since, as you should be realizing, not everybody is typed correctly.
i don't get what you mean by "self-typed." it seems to me that everyone has to accept a less than perfect typing because, in essence, it is impossible to type oneself based on only the self.
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Generally this refers to when individuals (often of dubious Socionics knowledge) type themselves and their assessment is taken at value without the general consensus of others to argue the legitimacy of the typing. While there is "less than perfect typing" in all cases, the margin of error should be expected to be higher in the case of individuals who are "self-typed" than those who derived the conclusion of their type through a process of discussion.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
i see. i thought you meant a solipsist or something.Generally this refers to when individuals (often of dubious Socionics knowledge) type themselves and their assessment is taken at value without the general consensus of others to argue the legitimacy of the typing. While there is "less than perfect typing" in all cases, the margin of error should be expected to be higher in the case of individuals who are "self-typed" than those who derived the conclusion of their type through a process of discussion.
whenever the dog and i see each other we both stop where we are. we regard each other with a mixture of sadness and suspicion and then we feign indifference.
Jerry, The Zoo Story by Edward Albee
my description of the IM elements in typing was merely to show how you hit my PoLR and howumm... no. your functional interpretations here are overextending what the functions actually do on a massive level. first of all, they don't make any sense. really, at all. try looking at them.
Yes- you questioned my conclusion to my type. Coming to a conclusion about one's type is
try rereading that? if there was an actual concept behind that, it certainly got very badly garbled in translation.coming to a conclusion about one's type is Ti in the sense that this quality, this quality, and this quality interact to make you this type.
equally as importantly, you're trying to assign these sort of random attributes to particular functions.
why would you say this? these are things that ANY type can do. Ni is not exclusive to this at all. Ni, in brief, might be about patterns, beliefs, etc. but Ni is not about recognizing things in other people; Ni types might have a strong sense of understanding long-term patterns in the world around them, or have highly developed moral/philosophical complexes. basically this shows a lack of understanding of what Ni does.Ni is also used in typing someone such as looking at consistent and enduring behaviors, actions, and beliefs of a person in order to type someone.
in short, i really can't make head or tail of what you're talking about.
i want to say that i agree with almost everything that gilly has said in this thread, and that which i don't i've already taken issue with.BTW, Gilly you're officially on ignore so yap all you want
Ok so here's the
Introverted logic is generally associated with the ability to recognize logical consistency and correctness, generate and apply classifications and systems, organize systematic and conceptual understanding, see logical connections between things (including logical similarities, differences, and correlations) by means of instinctive feelings of validity, symmetry, and even beauty.
So in using
Here's the wikisocion definition of
Introverted intuition is generally associated with the ability to recognize the unfolding of processes over time (how one event leads to another), have visions of the past and future, develop mental imagery, and see intangible hints of relationships between processes or objects.
So in typing someone using
So because you did not have previous knowledge of who or how I am IRL, both in the past and present, you were thus relying on
Do you understand what I'm getting at better?
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[quote="Logos"]Your distinction between types seems arbitrary based upon how people have labeled their type. If Gilly marked himself as a ILI, would you still have said the same thing? Or what if these self-typed ILIs had said the same thing that Gilly did? Let us say probably not. And then what if these self-typed ILIs turned out not to be ILIs? Or what if they are ILIs and say the same thing? Would you claim a Ti-PoLR hit then?I wouldn't get upset about questioning about logical, theoretical criticism from my dual- that's what they're there for
Regardless of what type Gilly was I would have reacted to his comment the same way. Although it should not be of concern to anyone, I blocked Gilly because of several, incessant slammings of my own person and knowledge of socionics which is actually counterproductive. He has never once attempted to clarify what he may perceive as my misunderstandings, but rather wasted both the time it took for him to call me a dumbass (never directly, but you get the idea) and for me to read it. I also have yet to read something of substance or enlightening at all regarding socionics which further contributes to wasting my time. Not to say that I have, but rather it just supports my decision.
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niffweed is good!!!
I dont see the point in argue with nifiweed.... he is good people!
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