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    request for examples.

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    I'm not sure, but I think I've read somewhere that Bill Clinton was ESFP. I don't know however if the president of the united states is always an intellectual.


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    He was a rhodes scholar, but I doubt he is esfp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    I'm not sure, but I think I've read somewhere that Bill Clinton was ESFP. I don't know however if the president of the united states is always an intellectual.

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    kasparov? sort of?


    i don't know. SEE and intellectual are not two words that innately go together.

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    i don't think SEEs are intellectuals in the conventional sense of the word "intellectual," but rather intellectual in a social context. We are masters of social manipulation. With that being said, Caesar is a good example of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    i don't think SEEs are intellectuals in the conventional sense of the word "intellectual," but rather intellectual in a social context. We are masters of social manipulation. With that being said, Caesar is a good example of this.
    Didn't Expat say that Caesar was an ENTj?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    i don't think SEEs are intellectuals in the conventional sense of the word "intellectual," but rather intellectual in a social context. We are masters of social manipulation. With that being said, Caesar is a good example of this.
    Didn't Expat say that Caesar was an ENTj?

    idk but Caesar is known on maybe socionics webpages as being an ESFp...
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    There's an ESFp econometrics and mathematics professor (female) that teaches at my university. Definitely intellectual. An awesome woman from all the sides too (ehm lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    There's an ESFp econometrics and mathematics professor (female) that teaches at my university. Definitely intellectual. An awesome woman from all the sides too (ehm lol)
    are you trying to say that you wish you were her derivative so you can lie tangent to her curves?
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    I can't readily think of any famous ESFp intellectuals but I have a relative with a PhD in an area of economics (I can't remember the exact subject now) who is extremely bright and well read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    There's an ESFp econometrics and mathematics professor (female) that teaches at my university. Definitely intellectual. An awesome woman from all the sides too (ehm lol)
    are you trying to say that you wish you were her derivative so you can lie tangent to her curves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drd252
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    There's an ESFp econometrics and mathematics professor (female) that teaches at my university. Definitely intellectual. An awesome woman from all the sides too (ehm lol)
    are you trying to say that you wish you were her derivative so you can lie tangent to her curves?
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    btw, dioklecian wants me to pass on that he thinks Naom Chomsky is an ESFp intellectual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington
    request for examples.
    I met a young ESFp at a private college about 10 years ago.. Being an ultrageek, I immediately recognized an unusual lack of vacuum between her ears, I would not hesitate to call her "intellectual".

    She was good at memorizing things. Connecting the dots, however, was not her strong suit ...

    She also bought wholesale into many of the prevailing wacko ideas that were floating around in the 90s among her peers, and ended up with an INFp (?) socialist.



    I think lots of ESFps want to "know" stuff and are quite knowledgeable, it's just they don't have the ability to reason or intuit with the facts.

    Some people think Gorbie is an ESFp. Stephen Jay Gould appeared like one too. But I don't know ...

    ESFps could probably do well as historians, biologists, linguists and other "intellectual" areas where knowing piles of facts can compensate for lack of intuition.


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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    btw, dioklecian wants me to pass on that he thinks Naom Chomsky is an ESFp intellectual.
    lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    btw, dioklecian wants me to pass on that he thinks Naom Chomsky is an ESFp intellectual.
    lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnar
    ESFps could probably do well as historians, biologists, linguists and other "intellectual" areas where knowing piles of facts can compensate for lack of intuition.
    i could see that. i don't know, i have read some profiles (filatova's i think?) where they'll say, "for god's sake! don't let SEE within 100 yards of a laboratory!1!1!!!" i'm still not sure that ESFps can possibly be that shitty at scientific/mathematically related fields.
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    I have had a Bio teacher who was ESFp, a stats prof was ESFP. I major philosopher at my uni is ESFP (she has 1.5 million$ grant to study artificial intelligence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    btw, dioklecian wants me to pass on that he thinks Naom Chomsky is an ESFp intellectual.
    lol.


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    new account acknowledge and duly ignored.

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    Sounds good to me.

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    Sounds good to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian2
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    btw, dioklecian wants me to pass on that he thinks Naom Chomsky is an ESFp intellectual.
    lol.


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    What's that supposed to even mean in this context?

    Those 3 ESFp's you listed, are they "ESFp's" in the same way as Noam Chomsky?
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    I have some problems seeing ESFp and intellectual in the same sentence. Depends on what is meant by intellectual though. They can be intelligent, they can be doing research, still they would be likely to stand out from the crowd of "intellectuals" which often is heavily populated by alpha types like INTjs and ENTps (and Noam Chomsky). I could be wrong of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnar
    ESFps could probably do well as historians, biologists, linguists and other "intellectual" areas where knowing piles of facts can compensate for lack of intuition.


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    and fwiw, in my own linguistics program, there weren't many ESFps. i think i could surely pin two as ESFp, although my ESFp pal did a sort of double major in spanish/politics. there was this really ESFp party girl in a techniques of translation class i took. most of the SFs and feelers that you'd meet were more than likely in the more pedagogical classes i took with an education focus (think i showed joy a picture of my methods of foreign language teaching class and her response was "LOL THEY'RE ALL ESFJ!") other than that, i had a few STs (delta & beta) in the more audio-related departments (phonphon & the like.) some alpha NTs of the logos variety (men and women) who were looking to go into more research related fields. 2 delta NF profs for anthropology related courses + culturally focused courses. those two reminded me of kim & anndelise, respectively haha.

    on the whole, i sat around trying to analyze what the profs/students were in each class and why they'd be drawn to each class. it was mostly equal with a slightly higher focus on beta/delta, but also a lot of NTs. i just do not really understand how someone could say that linguistics is an "ESFp field" where you don't have to use N or T at all.
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    perhaps Carlos?
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    I don't think intelligence is correlated with type so much as habit and interest is; I have actually met a lot of very intelligent and interesting ESFps; IMO they are generally more fun to hang out with than other types

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    All I can say is that a friend is a nasa JPL physicist who is SEE...hint, hint.

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    Count Leo Tolstoy
    Gustave Flaubert

    Both used significant amounts of very direct, footage-like, realism in their literary styles, including significant attention to mundane, everyday details, which is a pretty good sign of Se dominance IMO. Flaubert happens to be one of my favorite writers of all time .

    Thomas Friedman, though calling him an intelligent or even mediocre observer of politics is a stretch.
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    I usually like all leading sensors, including SEE and SLE. SEEs esp. can be really fun and exciting at first, but our static functions repel each other and the relationship becomes hard to maintain. Like two hard blocks smashing against one another, neither is flexible enough to accommodate the other.

    Dynamic sensors (SEI and SLI) seem really simple and boring at first, but then they grow on me and I start wanting more. More. MOAR.

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    ESFp politicians are very common. One of the shorthand names used for ESFp in Russian socionics is "the politician". One could view politicians as a type of intellectual.

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    ^
    Yep.
    Pedophiles too:

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    If you want to see inside the mind of an SEE intellectual, check it out:

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    This guy is one of the smartest people I know. A typical quote: "My biggest gripe with analytic philosophy is that in constantly attempting to deny the political nature of its truth-claims, it often turns out to be unbelievably boring, or at least superficially boring-sounding." (some in there too, lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    If you want to see inside the mind of an SEE intellectual, check it out:

    quixotes

    This guy is one of the smartest people I know. A typical quote: "My biggest gripe with analytic philosophy is that in constantly attempting to deny the political nature of its truth-claims, it often turns out to be unbelievably boring, or at least superficially boring-sounding." (some in there too, lol)
    basically analytic philosophy is really about politics and I don't like it because its presented in a boring manner and it tries to deny its really about politics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    This guy is one of the smartest people I know. A typical quote: "My biggest gripe with analytic philosophy is that in constantly attempting to deny the political nature of its truth-claims, it often turns out to be unbelievably boring, or at least superficially boring-sounding." (some in there too, lol)
    ewwww. If you think analytic philosophy is really about politics, you're reading it wrong. Completely wrong. Rather depressingly wrong. I personally think analytic philosophy is poetry. By which I mean that it convinces or persuades you of the truth, rather than "demonstrating" or "proving" it. It helps to catalyze the reaction between the mind and the world (that is persuasion). Or at least, that's a more valuable paradigm for viewing it.

    (also, this post is slathered in beta values---there's Ti in the black and white "different conclusion from me = you're stupid" bit, Fe in the little fragment sentences there, Ni in the whole focus on changing "paradigms," and Se in the justification that you should believe x because it produces better results)
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    Apparently, alpha NTs tend to be somewhat "lefty" and gamma NTs, "right wing", but the funny thing is that SEEs support the ideology of their parents and friends: you can find both communists and "pro-free-marketers" among SEEs, which makes me not take them seriously. They don't "think", they just stick to what they are "ordered to".
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    ...and, IMO, lefty SEEs are a fake. Just see their authoritarian behaviour and don't listen to their lefty bullshit. Behind their claims, is what dictators (SEEs and SLEs) are made of.
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    what an oxymoron of a thread
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    I think -leading types get a bit of a bumb rep as far as intellectualism goes. I think of all the types out there, Se-leading types might be the ones most in need of a strong and solid support system behind them when growing up, to keep them 'on the right track' per se. I've seen some truly brilliant SLE and SEEs who I know for a fact have had their strong perceptive powers very well focused via their families when growing up and going through school, and then some that just haven't.

    One of the most brilliant engineers I've known has been an SLE male, and I also know an SEE female physician that's quite gifted as well. One of my company's best technicians right now is an SLE, and quite a character too. And then some of the worst people I've ever worked with have been SLE. Haven't known too many SEEs but they seem to follow the same pattern in this regard. One of the suspect SEEs I know at the moment is quite a nice person, but seems to have per their own admission gotten 'off track' quite a bit in life. Genuinely a good person though.
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