I bet for EIE or EII.
Barbra Streisand
I bet for EIE or EII.
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Something I've read about her is that she is very concerned about having absolute control about every part of everything she's done in her career. Like she won't let anyone else decide anything, no matter how small it is.
Also, she has terrible trouble with stage fright.
That's all I've read that stands out to me.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
seems about rightOriginally Posted by Slacker Mom
i thought she was a Ni/Se type
She's another person that's always bothered me for some reason, even as a little kid. I had an SEE friend who was a huge fan though.
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Control freak, total drama queen- makes up problems to make life appear interesting. Stabbed the gay community in the back, when it was the original Old Gays that made her famous in the first place. Narcissistic and thankless.
Also Joy, your signature sucks, as while it is of course true that true energy feels very good and energetic, you must still direct that properly otherwise you will do pointless shit and just waste your time. You gotta prioritize your life.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...streisand.html
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/barbra_streisand/
The man vs. woman thing gets old quickly when reading her quotes. (I'm glad I finally got over that issue.)
Interesting, I was planning on changing it yesterday and forgot. I'll do it now. Here's the quote BulletsAndDoves is referring to, in case anyone's wondering:
"Energy is a moral virtue, its opposing vice being laziness. As a virtue, it can be cultivated, and the lazy man can become energetic by forcibly arousing himself to exertion. Compared with the energetic man, the lazy man is not half alive. Even while the latter is talking about the difficulty of doing a thing, the former is doing it." -James Allen
The book I got the quote from does address this concern. One's sig can only be so long though.as while it is of course true that true energy feels very good and energetic, you must still direct that properly otherwise you will do pointless shit and just waste your time. You gotta prioritize your life.
Yes. My ESE husband can't stand her and neither can my SEI dad but I think it's the feminism and politics that rub them the wrong way. She's definitely full of herself. I wonder what type James Brolin is.
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I think she's ILI. Or possibly SEE. But probably ILI...
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I think she's an introvert. I think maybe ESI, but I'm not sure.
Vague impression though.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Streisand is incredibly schmaltzy and all her songs overflow with sentimentality. An ILI addressing such emotional subject matter would be much more elliptical and circumspect, with titles like "The Way We Were" rendered as "Observations on Intersubjectivity Inherent within Synergetics". That's an exaggeration of course (...???), but since ILIs suppress emotional displays that lack genuine spontaneity and are generally private about their affections, they'd find it quite taxing to perform Streisand's trademark songs night after night. Doing so would most likely make them feel corny, cynical, and fake.
Well, I read "Barbra Streisand" and my brain popped out "ESE"; never really thought about it before. Maybe I'll take a new look at her later and see if any other ideas spring to mind. ILI seems ... very odd to me as a possible type for her.
EIE--where is the Betaness? Hm. EJ could work, though.
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If you think Streisand is anything other than ESFj go back and relearn socionics
You're not sure if she's ILI or SEE? How is this possible?
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
The 97th law of socionics states that all ectomorphs are ILIs.
Sorry if this came off as really harsh to anyone who doesn't say ESFj for Streisand, I made it with no particular person in mind. I hadn't read anybody else's opinions on the matter, so bear in mind that this isn't directed any one specific person over another. So yeah, I apologize to anyone who read that in a distasteful way, as it was meant more for humorous effect than anything else.
I support the ESE typing. (harmonizing subtype). (It's interesting that on some MBTI sites she is typed ISFP.)
Watched interviews, agree ESE - Ej temperament.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Well, I mostly based this on roles that I've seen her play. And in the shows I've seen her in since learning Socionics, I've seen one SEE (Funny Girl), one ESE (Hello, Dolly!), and one possibly ILI (Yentl).You're not sure if she's ILI or SEE? How is this possible?
Okay, so I can let go of ILI for her...But, I still think she's probably more Fi than Fe, after watching bits and parts of her interviews and stuff.
Can anyone disprove SEE?
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I don't know much about her roles other than that she often has a ventilating type of Jewish comedic style, like Woody Allen, Larry David, etc.. (not comparing their types.. I'm just talking about her niche with performance). What's more interesting to me how much power she wants to wield.. how many fundraisers she gets involved in, how many parties she throws during election season. She's more known for this nowadays than anything to do with entertainment. She also seems to be a control freak of some sort. Like the story a few years back where she tried to threaten to sue a guy for posting aerial photos of her home on the internet. The story went public and backfired on her (which became known as the Streisand effect).
Also, she has a seemingly good marriage with actor James Brolin. Not sure if that helps in typing her, but whatever.
There's nothing to "disprove" in an exchange of unverifiable opinions. You'll have to settle for counter-argument.
In interviews Streisand is booooooooooooooooring. It's just a linear repetition of banal shoptalk. Her speech is devoid of the colorful expressions, liveliness, or lateral thinking I'm accustomed to seeing from SEEs. Her "jokes" are flat and forced. The playfulness I'd expect from Fi-SEEs is absent, as is the button-pushing common to Se-SEEs; there's no absurdist peek-a-boo humor at all. Dull. She's too self-possessed and controlling, which indicates EJ temperament more than EP. Same with the look in her eyes. And I know duality isn't auto-magic but I sat through 9 or 10 videos and her appearance, voice, mannerisms, attitude, lyrics, undisguised romantic nostalgia, and facial expressions just filled me with revulsion. Bleeearghhh.
this indicates J only
Impression from duals is "auto-magic". It's not a result of some kind of work. More close realtions and more ingenuous information are appreciated, nothing more.And I know duality isn't auto-magic
You may look at ISFJ-women in my list, videos with these people. If you feel same - your type is not ENTJ, at least. If the situation will repeat for ESFP, then not INTP too. Etc.but I sat through 9 or 10 videos and her appearance, voice, mannerisms, attitude, lyrics, undisguised romantic nostalgia, and facial expressions just filled me with revulsion. Bleeearghhh.
I'm assuming extroversion, hence my opinion that EJ is likelier than EP.
It's better to say that duality increases the theoretical probability of interpersonal synergy. You appear to suggest a fixed determinism. A wide range of factors could make either or both halves of a dual pair unattractive to the other and thus obviate any combined psychological benefit.Impression from duals is "auto-magic". It's not a result of some kind of work. More close realtions and more ingenuous information are appreciated, nothing more.
Your list merely indicates that you've categorized famous and often contrived public personae according to analysis of what you subjectively regard as their salient points. Your accuracy at doing so is a matter of conjecture. One supposition can suggest correlation with another but neither proves the other.You may look at ISFJ-women in my list, videos with these people. If you feel same - your type is not ENTJ, at least. If the situation will repeat for ESFP, then not INTP too. Etc.
No, I understand that types are only 1 factor influencing on relations and impressions. The main my idea - without special activity, in very most cases not well-known dual people will give good impressions, including if you'll get closer. They give feelings of self-esteem and inspire for self-expression (in contrary, close relations with conflictors give feelings of anxiety and disorientation).
Salient points? No, I use intuitive impression, not conscious analysis of objectively seen traits.Your list merely indicates that you've categorized famous and often contrived public personae according to analysis of what you subjectively regard as their salient points.
About subjectivity - all current typing methods, while there are no experimental proof (with what strenght traits used in method relate to type, does this method gives high accuracy), - are subjective and hypotheses. And no other method I know have such direct and full information for typing as image method, I'm using - identifying type by intuitive impression from non-verbal behavior. Plus, while image method is subjective, I check its results with objective traits - it works good for prediction of behavior, abilities and realtions of people I know persnonally (in borders of classic theory), so types I say are not totaly my subjective fantasy.
Stable correlation of type version with objectively seen traits and behavior - proves correctness of typing. That is why I take typology seriously (because it works), but not people who use it and have low match with my versions (in non-informed conditions, of cause).One supposition can suggest correlation with another but neither proves the other.
translation: jewish
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
that's funny, didn't I read someone say on here once that all jews were ILI? Make up your minds now, that's two opposing quadras...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
LMAO.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
according to the Nazis anyway...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
All the Jews I've known have been alpha, so all Jews are alpha.
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Deduction - it works every time.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Isn't that induction?
Deduction - it works every time.
No, I guess not:
SourceDeductive arguments are valid or invalid, sound or unsound, but are never false nor true. Deductive reasoning is a method of gaining knowledge. An example of a deductive argument:
- All men are mortal
- Socrates is a man
- Therefore, Socrates is mortal
The first premise states that all objects classified as 'men' have the attribute 'mortal'. The second premise states that 'Socrates' is classified as a man - a member of the set 'men'. The conclusion states that 'Socrates' must be mortal because he inherits this attribute from his classification as a man.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Deduction - it works every time.Galen made the observation "all jews I've known are" and then made the leap to "so all jews must be... ". That is inductive as far as I know. There is nothing formally logical about that, it is inductive.
That's like the classical example of induction: all swans I've seen so far are white, so all swans are white. (Oh, wait, there are actually black swans somewhere, but I didn't know that, damn!)
Deduction works the opposite way, from premisses.
^ Yep, I mixed it up. Sorry.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
commonly typed ISFP in mbti. ESI-Fi plus some "heart" Enneatype like E2 sounds acceptable. Sensing-Feeling anyway.
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Identical Inter-type Relationship
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