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    Default Eysenck was right

    He said Introtims were shy. This is WRONG. We all know it here.

    He said Introtims were unsociable. Most people here think it's wrong, but I think it's true.

    It's evident to say that IT types lack social skills. They may show expressiveness or assertiveness, right, but they aren't really "socialising" people. Why ? Because as Rick said, Extrotims create new contacts and Introtims focus on contacts, but not much creating them. And as Extrotims accept others how they are, Introtims don't.

    But auxilliary types ? Let's do an explaination :

    ESE's and EIE's are known to be VERY sociable, especially women. SEI's and IEI's have some social skills, but they don't much feel a need to socialise with others. They love you or hate you, and are more inclined to maladaptive behaviour or autistic communication than (especially when in stress) Extrotims.

    Example :

    My dad is the leader of his company, and he's an ESI. His company is progressively going to bankruptcy. He explained how I can help him : by a little job.

    But he gave me only somehow 60% of the information required to make me understand what the job would be, and he was barely understandable. I didn't understand because of the poor quality of information. He started to yell at me because he thought that if I wouldn't understand what that job consists, how he explained, I would be a retard. I was then inclined to refuse that job.

    Later, my mom (EIE) re-explained me that deal, and I began to understand somehow. I accepted then. Basically because my dad has an autistic style of communication, and my mom hasn't.

    Therefore, Extrotims are more sociable than Introtims. This is true, believe me. I don't think Eysenck was an awesome dude, but I think he was right, at least on that point.

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    Example :

    *insert something that happened with my family*

    Therefore, *insert conclusion about humans in general*
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    I agree. Extroversion is one of those type characteristics that shouldn't be difficult to interpret if one just looks with a critical eye. The sociability is very obvious.

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    For what it's worth Eyseck's "introverts" correlate with Socionics INxx types, his extroverts with ESxx types, and the 'in-between' with ISxx and ENxx types.
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    Not on the topic of the thread, but let me just add this point.

    But he gave me only somehow 60% of the information required to make me understand what the job would be, and he was barely understandable. I didn't understand because of the poor quality of information. He started to yell at me because he thought that if I wouldn't understand what that job consists, how he explained, I would be a retard. I was then inclined to refuse that job.
    Remember that IFJs use as their id, not their base. They have a instinct-driven idea of what makes a person tick, and will communicate on matters of what they deem vital import primarily on that basis. (especially older persons, who are "old hands" with the 1st transcendent function) The reason you couldn't understand him was because you are not a part of his psychic domain.

    By their nature, psychic domains only include a quarter of the entire reality in their considerations. The ego, by contrast, processes information that is agreed to be true by all sides. Your mother managed to fill in the other 75% of the information your father offered. (though you may have *thought* that you understood as much as 60%.)

    Small employers tend to hire people of their own psychic domain, by the way, because they know the hired will perform as expected.

    On the basis of the prior conclusions, I recommend that if you are going to work for your father you should always pass his instructions by an dominant. (somehow) This should keep your working relationship solid.

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    Default Re: Eysenck was right

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    And as Extrotims accept others how they are, Introtims don't.
    Because that sounds reasonable and unassuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    He said Introtims were shy. This is WRONG. We all know it here.

    He said Introtims were unsociable. Most people here think it's wrong, but I think it's true.

    It's evident to say that IT types lack social skills. They may show expressiveness or assertiveness, right, but they aren't really "socialising" people. Why ? Because as Rick said, Extrotims create new contacts and Introtims focus on contacts, but not much creating them. And as Extrotims accept others how they are, Introtims don't.

    But auxilliary types ? Let's do an explaination :

    ESE's and EIE's are known to be VERY sociable, especially women. SEI's and IEI's have some social skills, but they don't much feel a need to socialise with others. They love you or hate you, and are more inclined to maladaptive behaviour or autistic communication than (especially when in stress) Extrotims.

    Example :

    My dad is the leader of his company, and he's an ESI. His company is progressively going to bankruptcy. He explained how I can help him : by a little job.

    But he gave me only somehow 60% of the information required to make me understand what the job would be, and he was barely understandable. I didn't understand because of the poor quality of information. He started to yell at me because he thought that if I wouldn't understand what that job consists, how he explained, I would be a retard. I was then inclined to refuse that job.

    Later, my mom (EIE) re-explained me that deal, and I began to understand somehow. I accepted then. Basically because my dad has an autistic style of communication, and my mom hasn't.

    Therefore, Extrotims are more sociable than Introtims. This is true, believe me. I don't think Eysenck was an awesome dude, but I think he was right, at least on that point.
    I agree with you that introtims are unsociable, but could your dad's "poor quality of information" be attributed to his weak, unconscious ? Us egos sometimes have difficulties explaining concepts and the like.
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    Default Re: Eysenck was right

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    My dad is an ESI.

    ...

    Basically because my dad has an autistic style of communication, and my mom hasn't.

    Therefore, Extrotims are more sociable than Introtims.
    I'm not disagreeing with the point that introverts act more introverted than extraverts, but we really should be guarded against the "I know someone who is X type, and he's like this, therefore all people of that type are..." kind of reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    I agree with you that introtims are unsociable, but could your dad's "poor quality of information" be attributed to his weak, unconscious ? Us egos sometimes have difficulties explaining concepts and the like.
    But SEE's won't have such autistic behaviour. They are more social and tactful than ESI's. isn't much involved in socialising, especially -.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    I agree with you that introtims are unsociable, but could your dad's "poor quality of information" be attributed to his weak, unconscious ? Us egos sometimes have difficulties explaining concepts and the like.
    But SEE's won't have such autistic behaviour. They are more social and tactful than ESI's. isn't much involved in socialising, especially -.
    i wasn't speaking of myself but rather suggesting your dad's lack of info to u... btw, i don't like how everyone has been throwing around the word 'autistic' as if it were a verb... sry to get all on everybody...
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    I love to see the word autistic thrown everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I love to see the word autistic thrown everywhere.
    you aren't autistic are you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I love to see the word autistic thrown everywhere.
    you aren't autistic are you ?
    Yeah, that's why I'm offended I founded an elitist club but soon I found myself in a world full of autistic people.
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