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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Your conflictor is good to give you information as to how you are seen by people with very different values from yourself, which improves your self-awareness, perhaps.
    Go for it (me or ILEs in general).
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Conflictors are trying to make you love the things you hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Your conflictor is good to give you information as to how you are seen by people with very different values from yourself, which improves your self-awareness, perhaps.
    Go for it (me or ILEs in general).
    Oh wow - haven't you gotten enough of that already??
    Yeah, seriously, I'm sure there are more than a few threads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Your conflictor is good to give you information as to how you are seen by people with very different values from yourself, which improves your self-awareness, perhaps.
    Go for it (me or ILEs in general).
    Oh wow - haven't you gotten enough of that already??
    Nope
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Conflictors are trying to make you love the things you hate.
    That's a lie. Why would an IEI, a Fi-devaluing and -skilled type, want to make an SLE love Fi?
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Conflictors are trying to make you love the things you hate.
    That's a lie. Why would an IEI, a Fi-devaluing and -skilled type, want to make an SLE love Fi?
    Because you haven't understood what machintruc has written
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    Actually, one of the only friends I socialized with outside of work was ENTp. We got along pretty well, probably because we had similar interests (at the time, weed, cigarettes, video games) and similar humor, and I think humor is the main thing that can allow conflictors to be friends, because when one of you starts use your strong functions the other can't really participate, and ime tends to just laugh and go along with what you're saying, like it's a novelty, but having similar humor can cushion this difference and allow you both to enjoy one another's company in moderate doses.

    As far as things I don't like about ENTps goes, it feels like they are too quick to use their Ti to come to conclusions. My brother sees a statue of an owl in front of a building in downtown Wilmington Delaware and suddenly is convinced that the Bohemian Grove is trying to take over the world. Another thing that annoys me is how superficially they seem to view commitments (never calling you back, just not showing up at a place they said they'd meet you, that kind of thing).

    But I'm sure I seem pretty stuck up to them, so whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    when one of you starts use your strong functions the other can't really participate, and ime tends to just laugh and go along with what you're saying, like it's a novelty, but having similar humor can cushion this difference and allow you both to enjoy one another's company in moderate doses.
    That actually sounds, to me at least, like Ego/Super-Id interaction. Could he be ILI or LIE?

    As far as things I don't like about ENTps goes, it feels like they are too quick to use their Ti to come to conclusions.
    True.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    when one of you starts use your strong functions the other can't really participate, and ime tends to just laugh and go along with what you're saying, like it's a novelty, but having similar humor can cushion this difference and allow you both to enjoy one another's company in moderate doses.
    That actually sounds, to me at least, like Ego/Super-Id interaction. Could he be ILI or LIE?
    Nah, he's exactly like Kumar, except white. Lots of and , very extroverted and to me seems to come off as blatantly EP.

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    It's just that "not being able to participate" sounds more like weak unconscious functions, and reminds me more of my experience with matters of Si and Fe. I feel like just kinda have to shrug and say "Yep, you hit the nail on the head." I think we're usually able to perform with our Super-Ego functions well enough unless there's a lot of external stress or demand for Ego functions that gets in the way. Active usage under pressure is what really kills us in the Super-Ego, IMO.

    But of course your friend very well may be ILE. Kumar is a good benchmark, at least as far as general impression/typical behaviors go.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Conflictors are trying to make you love the things you hate.
    That's a lie. Why would an IEI, a Fi-devaluing and -skilled type, want to make an SLE love Fi?
    Because you haven't understood what machintruc has written
    I didn't read it properly. I thought he was talking about Duals.

    Sorry, machintruc, you're right.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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