an interesting way to look at quadrants

[lefty]

i found this chart online while looking for one about belief systems.

i think this is an interesting way to look and the socioncs quadra going alpha, beta, gamma, to delta from left to right.

[aestrivex]

??


wtf?

[lefty]

You would equate Alpha with aggression?

theyre more mentally aggressive than anybody. and since a big brain is what distinguishes us from other animals then comparatively , with the other quandrants, yes i would call them aggressive.

[lefty]

But I would ad that in my view of socionics that each type has a mental self and more a physical self. or another way to say it is there is our consciousness and then there is what we do with our lives. and i tend to view this as meaning that although alphas are aggressive they live in a structured way. that although betas are justified they live in retreat to some extent. that although gammas are structured in everything they do, they live aggressively, and that while deltas live in retreat they also arrange their lives feeling that they are justified. i think it makes each quadrant make more sense. but i think a single dimension on it also makes sense. you could also view the associations with the other quandrants, as i lined out above (making distinction between personality and life choices and living), that you could also see a quadrant member being unhealthy by going too far into the other quadrants behavior.

a beta, like an estp posted in another thread here, can burn out on all they're trying to do in the world, can be harmed for it, or can experience real live problems and go into total retreate thus becoming dysfunctional as a person. an aplha might become so fixated on form that they dont produce valuable contributions anymore. a delta could become so justified they become a martyr. and gammas can be so aggressive that they hurt people and possibly hurt themselves.

lefty -enfj 4w5

[aestrivex]

= youre just completely insane.

[lefty]

= youre just completely insane.

=youre a lousy abstract thinker

[aestrivex]

= youre just completely insane.

=youre a lousy abstract thinker

=



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[lefty]

But I would ad that in my view of socionics that each type has a mental self and more a physical self. or another way to say it is there is our consciousness and then there is what we do with our lives. and i tend to view this as meaning that although alphas are aggressive they live in a structured way. that although betas are justified they live in retreat to some extent. that although gammas are structured in everything they do, they live aggressively, and that while deltas live in retreat they also arrange their lives feeling that they are justified. i think it makes each quadrant make more sense. but i think a single dimension on it also makes sense. you could also view the associations with the other quandrants, as i lined out above (making distinction between personality and life choices and living), that you could also see a quadrant member being unhealthy by going too far into the other quadrants behavior.

a beta, like an estp posted in another thread here, can burn out on all they're trying to do in the world, can be harmed for it, or can experience real live problems and go into total retreate thus becoming dysfunctional as a person. an aplha might become so fixated on form that they dont produce valuable contributions anymore. a delta could become so justified they become a martyr. and gammas can be so aggressive that they hurt people and possibly hurt themselves.

lefty -enfj 4w5

Futhermore it goes to show why certain quadrants benefit more from interactions with other quandrants. gammas will encourage betas to balance being jusitifed with being organzied and to live more aggresively instead of in retreat. betas help gammas become more justified and less flakey and also help them realize they can opt out of stressful confrontations to focus on what matters.

alphas learn to retreat to care for themselves and enjoy what hey have from deltas and also their structured lifestyle can take on more of a cause. deltas learn to be more aggressive or assertive for themselves in live using knowledge that is available and also learn to make sure they're taking care of everything personally and not going off the deep end.

any other combination starts to have another kind of influence on the quadrants and will create imbalance. a beta interacting with alphas could go into retreat more, then blocking the alpha need for it, all the while become less disciplined. etc.

[Gilly]

+1 for niffweed, this reeks of dual type theory already.

[aestrivex]

+1 for niffweed, this reeks of dual type theory already.

just 1? what the fuck kind of stingy operation do you think you're running here?

[UDP]

You would equate Alpha with aggression?

theyre more mentally aggressive than anybody. and since a big brain is what distinguishes us from other animals then comparatively , with the other quandrants, yes i would call them aggressive.

.......

It appears like you could benefit from reworking your understanding of socionics

[Gilly]

You want me to take that 1 away?

[aestrivex]

You want me to take that 1 away?

please do. i only accept irrational/nonreal contributions.

[Elro]

You want me to take that 1 away?

please do. i only accept irrational/nonreal contributions.

+(i^(i/(e^(i*pi/2))))

[aestrivex]

You want me to take that 1 away?

please do. i only accept irrational/nonreal contributions.

+(i^(i/(e^(i*pi/2))))

just i? what the fuck kind of stingy operation do you think you're running here?

[lefty]

You would equate Alpha with aggression?

theyre more mentally aggressive than anybody. and since a big brain is what distinguishes us from other animals then comparatively , with the other quandrants, yes i would call them aggressive.

.......

It appears like you could benefit from reworking your understanding of socionics

maybe you should rework the way you look at the human race? to be mentally as strong as an alpha is aggression. it is not passive. alpha wants to know everything there is to know. and that's why i tried to make a distinction between personality and the way people arranged their lives. there's information about how each function correlates with:

primary - personality

secondary-taking in information

tertiary-making decisions

unconscious-arranging your life

therefore its not absurd to break up the personality with the way someone lives and examine it. i'm not saying alphas are bullies...they aren't...they may be mentally chillike or whatever, but they live in very structured ways generally. or involved in highly structured activities and profession that rely a cataloguing of knowledge. therefore their lives can resemble gamma, structured adulthood. and gamms are aggressive in the way they live...they're competative...if an actor isn't competative or aggressive...i don't know what is...however a gammas mental life is going to be dependant on strutures...buildings, armies, designs, scripts.

i think it makes sense, but if nobody thinks so then i dont care. its silly to act like socionics is a stale concept that we can't improve on or speculate about...if that were the case, with say, psychology as a whole then we'd still be completely stuck on freud.

lefty
enfj 4w5

[lefty]

+1 for niffweed, this reeks of dual type theory already.

and i suppose you exist outside the laws of duality. this post reeks of unchecked narcissism.

lefty
enfj
4w5

[lefty]

+1 for niffweed, this reeks of dual type theory already.

just 1? what the fuck kind of stingy operation do you think you're running here?

everything youve posted is economical so i was probably correct about you not being an abstract thinker.


lefty
4w5
enfj

[aestrivex]

yawn.

[lefty]

yawn.

go fuck off to ebay and let people discuss temprament.

lefty
enfj 4w5

[aestrivex]

yawn.

go fuck off to ebay and let people discuss temprament.

lefty
enfj 4w5

ebay? where did that come from??

[aestrivex]

yawn.

go fuck off to ebay and let people discuss temprament.

lefty
enfj 4w5

ebay? where did that come from??

o ya ic. nvm lol.

[crazedrat]

I think you are right lefty, in a certain way.

[Khamelion]

yawn.

go fuck off to ebay and let people discuss temprament.

lefty
enfj 4w5

You can put that information in your signature you know? Instead of typing it each post...which is what it looks like you're doing.

[lefty]

I think you are right lefty, in a certain way.

its another way of looking at it and i think the quadrants could use more explaination than just the star trek breakdowns that are out there. i think its really an area that needs expansion upon so we can understand what forces are at life in the world in terms of quadrants. That's part of what makes Socionics different from MBTI is looking at the whole instead of just the parts.

Thanks for your affirmation. I'm sure open to anybody's ideas. I'm curious, too, what your INTP/ENFJ dual type is all about and how you came to that conclusion.

Lefty
Enfj 4w5

[lefty]

yawn.

go fuck off to ebay and let people discuss temprament.

lefty
enfj 4w5

You can put that information in your signature you know? Instead of typing it each post...which is what it looks like you're doing.

I'm not sure how to do it...I'm poor at objects orientation since I'm suck at 4 and probably poorly integrating.

lefty , yadda yadda

[FDG]

a load of nonsense...

[lefty]

a load of nonsense...

youre another person who is being critical without contributing any alternative ideas. I'm not buying all you people trashing my view, because you're not stating anything valid in response.

lefty
enfj
4w5

[Khamelion]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

[FDG]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

[lefty]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

my theory was further backed up by reading the descriptions on wikisocion relating alphas to the Aggressive and Victim romantic relationship catagories. Alphas can have an aggressive style. and Deltas are related to care taking and infantile relationship structures all of which basically lines up perfectly with the chart i originally posted.

you dont have the patience for complexity...i would say i understand, but instead ill just say...it's your problem.

[aut0]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

my theory was further backed up by reading the descriptions on wikisocion relating alphas to the Aggressive and Victim romantic relationship catagories. Alphas can have an aggressive style. and Deltas are related to care taking and infantile relationship structures all of which basically lines up perfectly with the chart i originally posted.

you dont have the patience for complexity...i would say i understand, but instead ill just say...it's your problem.

Except that Alpha's are Caregivers/Infantiles just like Delta, only Beta's & Gamma's are Aggressors/Victims.

[lefty]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

my theory was further backed up by reading the descriptions on wikisocion relating alphas to the Aggressive and Victim romantic relationship catagories. Alphas can have an aggressive style. and Deltas are related to care taking and infantile relationship structures all of which basically lines up perfectly with the chart i originally posted.

you dont have the patience for complexity...i would say i understand, but instead ill just say...it's your problem.

Except that Alpha's are Caregivers/Infantiles just like Delta, only Beta's & Gamma's are Aggressors/Victims.

that's not true according to wikisocion

[aut0]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

my theory was further backed up by reading the descriptions on wikisocion relating alphas to the Aggressive and Victim romantic relationship catagories. Alphas can have an aggressive style. and Deltas are related to care taking and infantile relationship structures all of which basically lines up perfectly with the chart i originally posted.

you dont have the patience for complexity...i would say i understand, but instead ill just say...it's your problem.

Except that Alpha's are Caregivers/Infantiles just like Delta, only Beta's & Gamma's are Aggressors/Victims.

that's not true according to wikisocion

Read it properly.

[web:a25f9ffb24]http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Romance_styles[/web:a25f9ffb24]

[lefty]

Click on "Profile" at the top of the screen, then scroll down to the box that says, "Signature" and type it in there. You could also put up an avatar way at the bottom

Or she could just disappear forever

my theory was further backed up by reading the descriptions on wikisocion relating alphas to the Aggressive and Victim romantic relationship catagories. Alphas can have an aggressive style. and Deltas are related to care taking and infantile relationship structures all of which basically lines up perfectly with the chart i originally posted.

you dont have the patience for complexity...i would say i understand, but instead ill just say...it's your problem.

Except that Alpha's are Caregivers/Infantiles just like Delta, only Beta's & Gamma's are Aggressors/Victims.

that's not true according to wikisocion

Read it properly.

[web:edb0c36105]http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Romance_styles[/web:edb0c36105]

it's misleading the way they lay it out.

[FDG]

I find that list incredibly misleading. I relate to half of the traits listed under aggressor, and another half of those listed under victim.

[lefty]

I find that list incredibly misleading. I relate to half of the traits listed under aggressor, and another half of those listed under victim.

i suppose im a victim, but when im really trying in a relationship i can be a caretaker. under stress i become aggressive.