question for hitta on +/- and quadra values

[Joy]

Wouldn't putting an equal on emphasis on the +/- of the quadra values make say, Alpha and Delta, more similar in terms of Ti and Te than Alpha and Beta would be?

[Hitta]

yep.

[Joy]

omg

[Jonathan]

Yeah, this is why I posted awhile back that hitta's system is like "left-shifting" the types. For example, in hitta's system, LII values +Fi, +Ne, +Te, and +Si.
That doesn't mean that his descriptions necessarily come out like ones to the left of them. However, there tend to be a few phrases in each of his descriptions that sound more like other people's descriptions of the type to the left.

Many of his statements about the quadras also are left-shifted:

Alpha > Delta
Beta > Alpha
Gamma > Beta
Delta > Gamma

[krieger]

For example, in hitta's system, LII values +Fi, +Ne, +Te, and +Si.

No offense, but that would be a seriously borked up interpretation. (I don't know wether it is one on your part or hitta's, though)

I'm trying to get my head around this supposed presence of a "Te+" function in the INTj mindset. What is the reason for supposing it exists?

[Hitta]

Well, T can be looked at as systematics, so Te can be looked at as extraverted systematics. Extraversion is about expression, not idea. One could look at +Ti as being introverted systematics, or systematic processes(organizing things or using stereotypical thought). This would mean that +Ti is organized thoughts and ideas, or organizing things by patterns. From this one could make the assumption that +Te is organized extraversion. Now this means in my opinion that +Te does things in an organized manner, or expresses itself organized. Now this is a very tricky thing to describe because I believe that introverted functions are the functions that most people recognize in others, due to the content of the information(introverted---->extraverted release). -Ti is about anarchy, or unsystematic. -Ti with +Te means that the types that use them use unsystematic ideas in an systematic way. This usually translates to INTjs and ESTjs being economical in expression, or being efficient. They usually try to get as much as they can out of as little as possible. Now in comparison you could look at the +Ti/-Te types(ENTj and ISTj). These types organize things, but they do it in a risky chaotic manner. They organize systems, then they make risky propositions with them. On another note, introversion/extraversion is a very difficult thing to wrap your mind around.


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[Joy]

This reminds me of the cat from Red Dwarf.

[Gilly]

It reminds me of tcaud

[Gilly]

Wouldn't putting an equal on emphasis on the +/- of the quadra values make say, Alpha and Delta, more similar in terms of Ti and Te than Alpha and Beta would be?

This is unnecessarily vague, by the way. If he had any clue what he was talking about, any kind of coherent response to this would have taken a decently long explanation in order to separate the difference between valuing the same function, and perceiving, as quadras, the same aspect of a function.

[Joy]

If I recall correctly, he says we all value all of them, it's just a matter of whether we value + or -

(Alpha, for example, would value Te+)

[Hitta]

Wouldn't putting an equal on emphasis on the +/- of the quadra values make say, Alpha and Delta, more similar in terms of Ti and Te than Alpha and Beta would be?

This is unnecessarily vague, by the way. If he had any clue what he was talking about, any kind of coherent response to this would have taken a decently long explanation in order to separate the difference between valuing the same function, and perceiving, as quadras, the same aspect of a function.

How in the hell did we arrive at the distinction of a function in the first place?

[Gilly]

If I recall correctly, he says we all value all of them, it's just a matter of whether we value + or -

(Alpha, for example, would value Te+)

Well, every quadra has every function in some form, so Alpha Te is +Te, but that doesn't mean they "value" it in the same sense of the others. That violates the definition of "valuing" a function; a quadra's valued functions are the Ego block functions of it's members. So, yes, Alpha uses +Te when it uses Te, but it doesn't "value" Te, + or -.

[Gilly]

Wouldn't putting an equal on emphasis on the +/- of the quadra values make say, Alpha and Delta, more similar in terms of Ti and Te than Alpha and Beta would be?

This is unnecessarily vague, by the way. If he had any clue what he was talking about, any kind of coherent response to this would have taken a decently long explanation in order to separate the difference between valuing the same function, and perceiving, as quadras, the same aspect of a function.

How in the hell did we arrive at the distinction of a function in the first place?

I don't understand.

[Joy]

He's saying that whoever invented quadra values is wrong. Or something like that.

[Hitta]

Um, no I'm not.

[Gilly]

AM I GOING TO NEED FORCEPS TO GET CLARIFICATION OUT OF YOUR ASS? FUCKING SAY IT ALREADY

[Dioklecian]

I havn't read all his posts but it sems interesting. For instance , I liked his INTP desciption. However I had a suspicion that it was based on real people, possibly me. What is the objective and background of his (your) ideas?

I would be interested in collaborating, but I would like some background info.

[Expat]

I liked his INTP desciption. However I had a suspicion that it was based on real people, possibly me.

Are you suggesting he may have picked you as INTp example to write his description?

[Dioklecian]

I am not implying anything, you can read what I worte at face value.

[tcaudilllg]

What does this have to do with anything?

[Dioklecian]

What do you mean? My words speak clearly.