lol niceOriginally Posted by Ritella
lol nice
That's why it's a film sir. You can also call it excellent acting
Robert DeNiro : the effects of one celebrity mistyping
in the long, long ago, a very good and decent man named Rick DeLong typed the actor Jeff Daniels as SLI. It was a good typing, which helped a few people find their correct types.
In that same long, long ago, that same Rick DeLong typed the actor Robert DeNiro as SLI. It was a mistyping, which caused some LSIs (betas, e.g. DeAnte, Jessica129,) to type themselves as Delta SLIs... They identified with DeNiro, who is, in truth, a lot like them--because they are LSIs.
These people used the typing of DeNiro as a justification for their own typings.
An article about the lulzy history of this one mistyping in the long, long ago has been posted to Wikisocion... A piece of Socionics history:
Robert DeNiro - Wikisocion
Except for the fact that you wrote said article.
haha
guilty on all counts
Robert De Niro isn't why I typed myself as SLI and I doubt it's any different with Jessica129.
JuJu is a condescending cunt and De Niro is Delta ST. JuJu's perception of SLIs (Jeff Daniels clones) is laugable and limited.
I agree that there are Beta STs who erroneously think they are SLIs, however I feel funny reading that article because it's an editorial posing as a straight article.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
It is an editorial.
Someone needs to say it, you know..? (I believe so, anyway... The confusion has gone on for so long.)
Yeah. Well, as I've said in many threads, it's getting frustrating. Probably in part simply because the people involved conflict with me.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
"oooohhhh, I wonder who she's talking about...?"
I'm interested to get to the bottom of this whole LSI SLI debacle. Now, in my opinion these are two examples of what a LSI looks like. I'm wondering whether i'm right with Denzel but at the moment that is the best fit I have for him. I know he seems quite extroverted at times and not your stereotypical LSI, but at the moment I think he is an example of a well rounded LSI.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Ss2s-gM2c]YouTube - Denzel Washington on Kids and the Devil[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqKnzgFPCI]YouTube - Michael C Hall on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross pt.1[/ame]
I think that both Denero and Eastwood are SLI's.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33AfHMEvJl0]YouTube - Robert DeNiro on Wogan 1[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnO-r_XVh6M]YouTube - Enough Rope with Andrew Denton Parts 1&2: CLINT EASTWOOD & ANGELINA JOLIE[/ame]
The main thing that distinguishes the 2 types for me is the posture, movement, and the vibe in general. I don't know how to explain exactly what I mean though. Perhaps a way to describe it would be rigidity to an extent and fluidity to an extent, with LSI exibiting a more rigid (not sure that's the right word) posture and vibe, also more commanding, it seems that they are in control. And with SLI's exhibiting a softer (for loss of a better word) and more fluid vibe. Also when excited I think that SLI exhibit a very noticeable body movement which is quite jerky, this jerkiness also comes through the speech of an ISTP at times, and is often noticeable in an ISTP's dance style. I know this sounds contradictory as I already said that I think ISTP's exhibit fluidity, but i'm finding it hard to put into words the specific characteristics that I notice. Perhaps fluid jerkiness would be a better way to describe it, in that it is jerkiness in sequence, it's not random or spasmatic. Also I am familiar with what I believe to be the SLI smile and both Denero and Eastwood demonstrate it throughout the interviews (examples: Denero at 6:05 , Eastwood at 5:11,) If you watch Denero from 8:10 to 8:25 you with notice both the jerky excitedness combined with the ISTP smile! ISTJ's don't move or smile like that in my opinion. I also think that Denero and Eastwood both VI as a ISTP.
Anyways see what you think Juju. Also, what do you think about Denzel?
IEE
Not bad on De Niro and Eastwood jimbo. I've been saying the same all along. Denzel is LIE.
The difference between LSI and SLI has NOTHING to do with posture. (Maybe it does in MBTI, which is what you're talking about Jimbo.)
The difference between LSI and SLI has to do with: Se vs. Si. Te vs. Ti. Fe vs. Fi. Ne vs. Ni.
If you know the functions, watch the interviews again--and then tell me what you notice.
There really is no need for the language.
FTR, Jeff Daniels is a far better example of an SLI than De Niro, even if he isn't SLI.
DeNiro - EIE
Jeff Daniels - SEI
Just so I understand you, you're saying that you don't believe observance of temperments is of any importance in typing?
Why don't you just point it out for us? I'd love to know at which part of those interviews you view De Niro and Eastwood as Se > Si or Ti >Te as well as where your definitions/understanding of those fuctions come from.
I think it does have to do with posture, not just straight vs bent, but subtleties in posture, including the way people sit/stand as well as posture exhibited while moving. No I'm not talking about MBTI. I think that functions come through the movement of people in the same way that they come through in the facial structure allowing you to VI a person. Just as smiles are often a good indicator so to movement can also be a very good indication of type.
Yes I agree that differences has to do with Si vs Se and Ti vs Te etc. I find it hard to tell in interviews though, it's much easier in real life. Also I usually type a person as a whole, not as exhibiting this function, and there this function, thus making the person this type. But I think both ways are fine.
Why do you think Denero is LSI?
IEE
That was my second choice.
IEE
Prolly actually the better one but i'm not completely sold.
IEE
JuJu's an LSI. Ha!
I think Denzel makes a pretty good ESI. IJ temperament is a given, and Se ego makes more sense than Ne ego. (I'm trying to find a good reason for ESI > LSI, but struggling. Maybe this is unnecessary if people see him as Gamma > Beta. That way we can just intuitively agree ESI > LSI.)
Are you being serious or joking?
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Robert De Niro
Great, great actor. Some of the movies he stars in just wouldn't be as good without him in it. I'm thinking definitely Gamma SF, SEE or ESI. Slight possibility to his being IEE. Reminds me of someone I knew in school, slightly crazy, definitely had thegoing so I'm gonna lean towards SEE.
I am going with the consensus, which is ISTp.
The last picture reminds me of John Mahoney who plays the character of Martin Crane in the tv show "Frasier".
ISTp or at least Delta ST sounds like a good idea.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
The last picture reminds me of John Mahoney who plays the character of Martin Crane in the tv show "Frasier".
ISTp or at least Delta ST sounds like a good idea.
GOTCHA
Ahhh, ISTP... I didn't even consider that!
I don't know, he seems very comfortable expressing his emotions. I know he's an actor and he's supposed to but ISTP I've always felt were more like this:
or this:
Beautiful but deadly? Cold and somewhat distant ahem* Maria Sharapova but still very sexy. I can't think of any male SLI's at the moment but both male and female SLI usually seem somewhat strained and not at all comfortable expressing themselves emotionally.
I just watch his movies and I see the introverted feeling/extroverted sensing thing happening. Like in Deer Hunter ("Nicky come home")!
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The last picture reminds me of John Mahoney who plays the character of Martin Crane in the tv show "Frasier".
ISTp or at least Delta ST sounds like a good idea.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT
Te-ESTj. He cant control his emotions very well(at least in his characters), and doesnt explain things very intelligently in interviews, which leads me to think delta ST, especially therole of ESTjs.
He seems pretty ESTJ to me.
He's probably Si-LSE.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
The last picture reminds me of John Mahoney who plays the character of Martin Crane in the tv show "Frasier".
ISTp or at least Delta ST sounds like a good idea.
GOTCHA
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
The last picture reminds me of John Mahoney who plays the character of Martin Crane in the tv show "Frasier".
ISTp or at least Delta ST sounds like a good idea.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT
HEY LOOK ANOTHER DELTA ST
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Delta ST for De Niro.
I'd been under the impression of LSE, but he could pass for Te-SLI as well from what I can tell. LSE >> SLI though, imo.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
How very predictable of you.
How very predictable of you.hey i call em as i see em...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Eww get Mike Rowe's face outa this Robert De Niro Delta thread.
SLI like bernie madoff, the role he's playing
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
oke nice to read that this is consensus, I've always found him a typical ISTP. Also most roles he playes he playes an ISTP.
ENFJ
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