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    Default Robert De Niro

    He's still a mystery to me, both in Etype and in socionics type. Please, someone, end this mystery.

    I see Beta characters, I see Delta characters, and I'm sure there are some Alpha and Gamma characters in there too. But him? I have no idea.

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    I'd guess ESTp-Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suomea
    I'd guess ESTp-Ti.
    Me but older. Interesting.
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    Maybe..... still not sure you're not ISTj.
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    Both Rick and Socioniko.net have him listed as ISTp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suomea
    Maybe..... still not sure you're not ISTj.
    But I like Slacker Mom!

    I also have an IEE friend who I get on too well with for me to be an LSI. It's so tough. I see others really easily. I see my LII and IEE friends very easily as those types, and I couldn't see them as anything else. With me, there are so many types I can see myself as.
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    He seems like he could be alot of types...

    interesting guy he is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I also have an IEE friend who I get on too well with for me to be an LSI. It's so tough. I see others really easily. I see my LII and IEE friends very easily as those types, and I couldn't see them as anything else. With me, there are so many types I can see myself as.
    If your friends were into this stuff, there's a good chance they'd probably see themselves as so many different types...

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    True. It's all about objectivity. But I asked them to pick out the functions from Augusta's work i.e. what they used most. I then showed them a description, and I asked them which one was most like them. The LII and IEE descriptions fit them perfectly, and they also corresponded with the functions.
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    My first thought was - I can see ISTj Se-subtype, but don't trust my judgement on that.
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    I think De Niro is probably ISTp. Harvey Keitel on the other hand, who I have seen typed ISTp, I think is ESTp. He screams Beta! And I don't deny the possibility for De Niro being ESTp either.
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    If it helps, here is an hour-long episode of Charlie Rose interviewing De Niro, Matt Damon and Angelina Jolie for De Niro's film The Good Shepherd

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    Wow. He was SO sexy back in his prime... *fans self*

    He seems SLE to me


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    De Niro is a clear SLI.

    He's quite physical, though not overwhelming. He looks like some comfort-seeking mafioso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    De Niro is a clear SLI.

    He's quite physical, though not overwhelming. He looks like some comfort-seeking mafioso.
    Why the fuck would a Si valuing individual give a shit about the mafia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I think De Niro is probably ISTp. Harvey Keitel on the other hand, who I have seen typed ISTp, I think is ESTp. He screams Beta! And I don't deny the possibility for De Niro being ESTp either.
    me, too! i agree with you on harvey keitel. that's a typing that doesn't entirely make sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    me, too! i agree with you on harvey keitel. that's a typing that doesn't entirely make sense to me.
    What? :S


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    Default Robert De Niro is not a fucking SLI

    Nor is he a Five. He is either an LSI, or possibly an old, wizened SLE.

    He is also probably an Eight.
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    Why?

    "His feeling that this world is not his Fatherland, and that it does not represent his proper condition, so to speak—his feeling that, basically, he 'comes from afar'—will remain a fundamental element which will not give rise to mystical escapism and spiritual weakness, but rather will enable him to minimise, to relativise, to refer to higher concepts of measure and limit, all that can seem important and definitive to others, starting with death itself, and will confer on him calm force and breadth of vision." — Julius Evola

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    Here's an interview with a young De Niro.



    Personally, I see IP temperment and Si preference. I definately don't see E8 or Fe valuing in any form. I'll see what else I can find, but I'm also interested in the reasons for your conclusions.

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    Here's a better one.





    SLI-Te IMO.

    "His feeling that this world is not his Fatherland, and that it does not represent his proper condition, so to speak—his feeling that, basically, he 'comes from afar'—will remain a fundamental element which will not give rise to mystical escapism and spiritual weakness, but rather will enable him to minimise, to relativise, to refer to higher concepts of measure and limit, all that can seem important and definitive to others, starting with death itself, and will confer on him calm force and breadth of vision." — Julius Evola

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    Proof that DeNiro is a SLI.

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    I would agree though that many of his movies have him playing an Se character, most often a Beta ST, which is probably the reason for Ezra thinking what he does. And yes, I don't see Fe seeking either. Compare him with Beta ST actors like Harvey Keitel, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Mark Whalberg, Sean Connery, Richard Dreyfuss or Burt Reynolds. He even VI's quit differently.

    I must also say that his original directing movie "The good shepherd" has lots of Ni (and Ti) information contained in the historical plot and details, but I think everything is still presented through a Te pov.
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    Yeah, I don't see him in Beta at all. Ezra, still care to explain your thoughts?

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    Funny how all the apparent SLIs think he is SLI...

    Basically, if you watch any of the films he stars in, you'll see that he has a clear preference for Se > Si. And I can't imagine an SLI playing a Beta ST in every single role of every single film he plays in.

    ETA: BTW, if he is SLI, then so am I.
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    Actually I think DeNiro is ESTj. And I think Ezra is ESTj. So this works for everyone. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    Actually I think DeNiro is ESTj. And I think Ezra is ESTj. So this works for everyone. <3
    fucking lol
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    i agree i think he is estp or istj, too brow-beating to be sli or lse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Funny how all the apparent SLIs think he is SLI...
    No more or less humorous than the self typed Beta ST thinking De Niro is Beta ST.

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    Basically, if you watch any of the films he stars in, you'll see that he has a clear preference for Se > Si. And I can't imagine an SLI playing a Beta ST in every single role of every single film he plays in.
    Not only do I not think this means much of anything, I also don't agree that it's a good idea to type actors primarily based on the roles they play. Especially considering that the inherent appeal of acting is pretending to be someone you're not.

    In Gilly's Epic LSIs thread, because I suggested two LSI comic book characters I enjoyed, you apparently figured there must be a high probablity that I was LSI myself.

    What if I were a writer or an actor and I either frequently wrote for those characters or played them in cinema simply because I think they are interesting characters with a fascinating psychology informing their actions and motives within the context of the story (and I achieved fame for it), would that then make me some sort of LSI, a typing which anyone who saw my YT video would find unlikely?

    I think you have either no clue or a very narrow minded idea of what does and doesn't interest an SLI.

    From another recent thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I loved it. I can understand Deltas not liking it, and some if not all Alphas probably not liking it. I fundamentally see Se/Ni-driven plot and characters.
    As long as you maintain this false idea that Se/Ni movies and characters are likely to mainly catch the interest of Se/Ni types/quadras (but not Si/Ne types/quadras), then the more susceptible you will be to potentially flawed, biased typings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    ETA: BTW, if he is SLI, then so am I.
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    No more or less humorous than the self typed Beta ST thinking De Niro is Beta ST.
    Exactly.

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    ETA: BTW, if he is SLI, then so am I.
    No, you are Scarlett Johansson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    No, you are Scarlett Johansson.
    lol, nice subtle display of psychological warfare, Winterpark.

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    Interesting...

    More ammo for LSI.
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    All SLI's are plumbers or mechanics, De Niro can't be SLI
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    Not only do I not think this means much of anything, I also don't agree that it's a good idea to type actors primarily based on the roles they play. Especially considering that the inherent appeal of acting is pretending to be someone you're not.
    I agree with this. How does playing a certain type of character have anything to do with his type and how he is in real life? There has to be a better arguement for his type than that. I'm still not seeing the proof for LSI over SLI.

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    I can check my car's oil, does this count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I can check my car's oil, does this count?
    Depends, can you do some plumbing works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
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    Robert de Niro looks ISTp to me, but most of the characters he played were ESTps, which may mislead people trying to type him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ssmall View Post
    All SLI's are plumbers or mechanics, De Niro can't be SLI
    OVERKILL.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    OVERKILL.
    OVERKILL.
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