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    Default Very General Question - N/S - kick in the ass

    Particularly, NFs and STs brought this about, but I have heard ENTjs needing a kick in the ass from ISFjs, too.........

    Originally it was going to be: All NFs - do you feel like you need a kick in the ass sometimes from an ST type?
    If so, please explain how you need this for of motivation or boost.
    I am particularly interested in the Delta aspects of this, because Se and Si kicks in the ass might be different, so to say.


    But in general, how do all N types deal with this?
    As an intuitive, do you inherently feel a need for a shot, a boost, a motivation from someone else? An energy?
    A kick in the ass to move on or get things done or get over something?


    IF I am LSE, would an LSE give an EII a kick in the ass to get out of the EII's "negativity funk" or feeling down about things?
    And what are common instances of that happening?


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    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
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    i more need Sensing types to bring me down to earth when my ideas get too lofty. not so much a kick in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
    And your dual is creative, FDG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
    And your dual is creative, FDG?
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    I would tend to think that everyone needs a kick in the ass once in a while.

    Intuitive types need it from sensory types to remind them of the here and now reality of what needs to be done.
    Perhaps IP's need it, too, because they don't spend energy unless someone provides them incentive to do so (not that they don't do shit themselves, I'm just looking at what they're like compared to other types).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    i more need Sensing types to bring me down to earth when my ideas get too lofty. not so much a kick in the ass.
    Yeah, generally I'd say that Ni types are the ones who are generally most in need of a kick in the ass to pull them out of procrastination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    IF I am LSE, would an LSE give an EII a kick in the ass to get out of the EII's "negativity funk" or feeling down about things?
    And what are common instances of that happening?
    I really can't see this at all. LSE's would sympathetically listen to the EII's problems... and then fix them. If it the EII needed to make a decision in order to fix something, the LSE would appeal to the EII's level of stress and how it affects her sleep and level of energy and general wellbeing. And because he's looking out for her health and being all sympathetic and offering to take care a bunch of shit for her, she'll agree to do as he suggests.
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    If it the EII needed to make a decision in order to fix something, the LSE would appeal to the EII's level of stress and how it affects her sleep and level of energy and general wellbeing. And because he's looking out for her health and being all sympathetic and offering to take care a bunch of shit for her, she'll agree to do as he suggests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
    And your dual is creative, FDG?
    dominant, Courage. If you read ENTj description of Se, the trait I have mentioned is listed, so the ownage is present if and only if knowledge of socionics is not sufficiently deep. You shouldn't think that I don't know the reaction of people to what I say.
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    Is their any reason why you have four different personae, Courage?
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
    And your dual is creative, FDG?
    dominant, Courage. If you read ENTj description of Se, the trait I have mentioned is listed, so the ownage is present if and only if knowledge of socionics is not sufficiently deep. You shouldn't think that I don't know the reaction of people to what I say.
    ESI's are not generally "gentle" when they tell you there's something you need to do. They're blunt and there's no tip toeing around your ego.

    Which description of LIE Se are you referring to, just out of curiosity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Kick me in the ass, and you'll receive a kick 10 times stronger. Now, gently tell me that there is something I should do, and I'll do it.

    Anyway: S,T -> kick in the ass function
    N, F -> diplomatic, soft functions

    This also why there are potentially more troubles in double ST relations, double SF relations, double NT relations, and ST/NT or ST/SF rather than NF/NT or NF/ST or NF/SF.
    And your dual is creative, FDG?
    dominant, Courage. If you read ENTj description of Se, the trait I have mentioned is listed, so the ownage is present if and only if knowledge of socionics is not sufficiently deep. You shouldn't think that I don't know the reaction of people to what I say.
    ESI's are not generally "gentle" when they tell you there's something you need to do. They're blunt and there's no tip toeing around your ego.

    Which description of LIE Se are you referring to, just out of curiosity?
    Lol, stras, which is an ESI too, so you're pwned. And it's not a matter of ego. I treat people kindly and I expect the same from others. I have nothing to share with a girl that is blunt to me, given that I'm not blunt to her. If you like to be treated like shit, or if you need people to be blunt in order for you to get motivated, good for you.

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    With their entire pragmaticality and practicalness the ENTjs have a habit to periodically "hover in the clouds". It would seem, that the LIE must not make inadvisable anything, since this contradicts the program of his intellect. And nevertheless his purposes sometimes turn around by mirages (since, as any intuitive, he does not always realistically look at things).

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    And as a precisely this goal sets to him his dual ISFj (who although cannot see prospects, sometimes sufficiently distinctly sees the lack of promise of any undertaking and therefore she does not make possible for the ENTj to get stuck with some too distant and unreal plans. Creatively manipulating by different methods of volitional action, the ISFj makes it necessary for the ENTj to be switched to the more real and more urgent tasks).

    It is known that the ENTj does not love to start his undertakings. But nevertheless this periodically occurs. And since for him "to straighten" his matters is also unpleasant as to make anything that broken, next must be someone, who will force him to make it.

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    As any intuitive, the ENTj throughout his nature is sufficiently scattered. He does not always remember, where he placed one or other thing or another. Harvesting and the guidance of order for it not the most pleasant occupation. And nevertheless, when the LIE with his entire indifference to the everyday disorder falls into the conditions, where the order strictly and strictly followed (as this usually is in Dreiser's house), this he accepts.
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    He will willingly make any work, will show service faster on the request of other, than on its own motive (if this to someone necessary - this makes sense to make.)

    ENTjs themselves do not attempt to subordinate someone to their will. (they wonderfully know how to organize work, to distribute it, but to constrain someone - no. For him it is more easily to stimulate materially, to interest, to inspire by his enthusiasm, but to force - this is not his method. To request, incidentally, it will not be, either: this does not rule out a refusal, and this is always unpleasant.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Is their any reason why you have four different personae, Courage?
    They are not different at all.


    I created UDP II and III because I lost the password for UDP, and then UDP II. It was not intentional. I had a lot of cpu problems.
    I changed to Courage because it was another stage in my life, and it was embracing LSE somewhat, or at least a new period.
    For the record, I switched back to using "UDP" because I found the old password, and it was a more accurate description of how long I was on the forum.

    I changed it now to JTDW as part of an inside joke, and partly because "Courage" was getting so overdone, it lost its appeal to me. People constantly bitching about your name is just not appealing.
    JTDW has a few different personal meanings, too.

    In no way do I see them as different "personae". I have always been the same person.
    Many people here have change their username several times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    I changed to Courage because it was another stage in my life, and it was embracing LSE somewhat, or at least a new period.
    All this talk about periods and stages and moving from one to another sounds like Reinin static to me. Se or Ne.

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    FDG, the bolded is true, but ESI's don't respond to it by being "gentle" or whatever. They just tell you to toughen up or not take it so seriously or not get offended or something along those lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    FDG, the bolded is true, but ESI's don't respond to it by being "gentle" or whatever. They just tell you to toughen up or not take it so seriously or not get offended or something along those lines.
    No, look at what is written. Telling people to toughen up doesn't seem like "smoothing a quarrel" to me, it only makes it worse. In any case, we seem to have a very different conception of ESIs, partially also related to the fact that I'm generally speaking about female Fi subtypes, and you're generally speaking about male Se subtypes, which only serve to exacerbate the differences already present due to our different understanding of socionics.

    If somebody's offended, telling them not to get offended is invalidation, which isn't generally thought about as psychologically damaging on the long term. Now, if the other party responds positively to such suggestions, then the matter is different. Ultimately, people that are unable to communicate in a way so that arguing doesn't take place don't end up being couples, so I (and you) will tend to naturally pair up with people complementary to our different approaches to arguing.
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    They smooth it over with playfulness, not gentleness.

    (I've known a male Fi subtype quite well, too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    They smooth it over with playfulness, not gentleness.
    That's still rather different from telling you to "toughen up", imho.
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    I guess you'd have to hear the tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Is their any reason why you have four different personae, Courage?
    They are not different at all.


    I created UDP II and III because I lost the password for UDP, and then UDP II. It was not intentional. I had a lot of cpu problems.
    I changed to Courage because it was another stage in my life, and it was embracing LSE somewhat, or at least a new period.
    For the record, I switched back to using "UDP" because I found the old password, and it was a more accurate description of how long I was on the forum.

    I changed it now to JTDW as part of an inside joke, and partly because "Courage" was getting so overdone, it lost its appeal to me. People constantly bitching about your name is just not appealing.
    JTDW has a few different personal meanings, too.

    In no way do I see them as different "personae". I have always been the same person.
    Many people here have change their username several times.

    curious, is there not a pw recovery link on this board? otherwise, i'm getting the idea that you didn't just memorize the pws and they were on slips of paper or something (i've met people who do this.) why don't you just memorize your various passwords?
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    Various cpu issues, email changes, etc.
    Other than that - it is none of your business, so I am not going to reveal all of my actions on the forum here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Various cpu issues, email changes, etc.
    Other than that - it is none of your business, so I am not going to reveal all of my actions on the forum here.
    You just want to look cool changing nicknames, let's face it
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Is their any reason why you have four different personae, Courage?
    They are not different at all.


    I created UDP II and III because I lost the password for UDP, and then UDP II. It was not intentional. I had a lot of cpu problems.
    I changed to Courage because it was another stage in my life, and it was embracing LSE somewhat, or at least a new period.
    For the record, I switched back to using "UDP" because I found the old password, and it was a more accurate description of how long I was on the forum.

    I changed it now to JTDW as part of an inside joke, and partly because "Courage" was getting so overdone, it lost its appeal to me. People constantly bitching about your name is just not appealing.
    JTDW has a few different personal meanings, too.

    In no way do I see them as different "personae". I have always been the same person.
    Many people here have change their username several times.
    I think it's stupid. Just stick with Joy or Ezra. And if you want to choose another name, make sure you won't think in the future "oooh, this isn't cool anymore, and I want to be cool". I remember when I was in Year 9 and I had about ten different email addresses. It's just immature really.
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    who fucking cares

    just call him whatever you want to call him... I'll always think of him as UDP (or perhaps his irl name, I supppose)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    who fucking cares

    just call him whatever you want to call him... I'll always think of him as UDP (or perhaps his irl name, I supppose)
    who fucking cares? But who is 'who'?

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    I've kept the same name the entire 2 or 3 years or whatever I've been on this forum... but then my username is perfect and doesn't need to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think it's stupid. Just stick with Joy or Ezra. And if you want to choose another name, make sure you won't think in the future "oooh, this isn't cool anymore, and I want to be cool". I remember when I was in Year 9 and I had about ten different email addresses. It's just immature really.
    Nobody fucking asked you Ezra


    Why the fuck am I on the spotlight all of the sudden - everything I do is microanalyzed?
    Up your fucking ass

    "oooh, this isn't cool anymore, and I want to be cool"
    You are a lot more preoccupied with looking cool than I ever will be, christ alive, son.

    Running you little mouth like some punk in highschool.

    Nobody cares, Ezra.

    It's just immature really.
    If you were mature, you would have shut up and moved on - but no, you had to get yours off two, and get your 2cents in. You know what is pathetic? Posing as mature, yet making sure you get your little pot shots in here and there, you self righteous shitface. You talk about people faking it, what is with your passing judgments on others so easily lately?

    You have to be some fucked up fool to suppose I give a damn about whether anyone - especially this forum - supposes I am "cool" or not.

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    Seriously, it's like, what the fuck folks?

    I'm not taking this shit anymore - you want to star commenting on every little action I make? That's how you want it? Fine. But don't you dare ask me about my fucking type, or my name, or anything else.

    It's like why bother?

    Why the fuck should I explain ANYTHING if you are just going to shit all over it?
    Fuck you, you know?
    You want a damn answer, and then I give it to you, and now you fucking don't like it - forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think it's stupid. Just stick with Joy or Ezra.
    Those are already taken.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTDW
    Seriously, it's like, what the fuck folks?

    I'm not taking this shit anymore - you want to star commenting on every little action I make? That's how you want it? Fine. But don't you dare ask me about my fucking type, or my name, or anything else.

    It's like why bother?

    Why the fuck should I explain ANYTHING if you are just going to shit all over it?
    Fuck you, you know?
    You want a damn answer, and then I give it to you, and now you fucking don't like it - forget it.
    What exactly are you angry about this time? I didn't read all stuff that lead to this. Anyways you seem kinda chaotic. And very aristocratic. I mean it feels like you are addressing the whole forum with your bitching. Why is that?

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    When I really get angry it tends to encompass everything around me (which "sounds" like an E8 quality, though I am not saying I am one at this time).
    Aristocracy? You mean in a socionics sense? Well that would be beta or delta, as we know.

    What exactly are you angry about this time?
    If you read the last page, you'd see what took place there. But this also has to do with my thread, and a various compilation of slights perceived against me. Mostly, certain peoples' attitudes were bothering me lately, and I had to address it in an outright, albeit confrontational manner.

    I am not angry at this time, however.
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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