so are you my dual?

[implied]

if not, who is?

i'm curious since there are at least a few people who believe i am their dual. tell me which type suits me best and why. pm if you want!

[olduser]

this is a problem of time, date and location.

[implied]

*sigh*

[olduser]

ahahaha. come on. don't worry-- someone is your dual. and they are, assuming that there is an even distribution of type among the entire population and the population is 6 billion, 375 million people of this type. You won't have to travel far.

[aestrivex]

during rush hours, the Q train stops at the following stations:

• 57 St
• 42 St
• 34 St
• 14 St
• Canal St
• DeKalb Av
• Atlantic Av
• 7 Av
• Prospect Park
• Parkside Av
• Church Av
• Beverley Rd
• Cortelyou Rd
• Newkirk Av
• Avenue H
• Avenue J
• Avenue M
• Kings Highway
• Avenue U
• Neck Rd
• Sheepshead Bay
• Brighton Beach
• Ocean Pkwy
• W 8 St
• Stillwell Av

[Creepy-bg]

I'm everyones dual... nice to meet you! :wink:

(oh yeah, where's my lighter?!!? )

[xyz]

I'm your dual.

[munenori2]

ahahaha. come on. don't worry-- someone is your dual. and they are, assuming that there is an even distribution of type among the entire population and the population is 6 billion, 375 million people of this type. You won't have to travel far.

I'm curious as to what type you are, heath. I only ask because what you have to say in your posts always catches me off guard, in a positive, unexpected sort of way. A sort of unique cleverness, I suppose.

[Jarno]

It's pretty risky to make such a bold claim as to know your dual just by looking at some posts.

All the people who say they are your dual, have probably never met their dual.

I have met my dual several times, and it takes a lot of information in emails, to get a good dual feeling. It is possible though.

[UDP]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

[implied]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

i doubt this as well. in a non "UDP you would suck as a dual!" sort of way.

[Garmonbozia]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

i doubt this as well. in a non "UDP you would suck as a dual!" sort of way.

What Maria is trying to say here is; "UDP, you would suck as a dual!"

[xyz]

Or "UDP sucks lets dual"

[implied]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

i doubt this as well. in a non "UDP you would suck as a dual!" sort of way.

What Maria is trying to say here is; "UDP, you would suck as a dual!"

kekeke!

[Creepy-bg]

you want me... lol

[implied]

I'm your dual.

that i could much more reasonably see!!!

[xyz]

Do you love howstuffworks.com? I love howstuffworks.com.


See, we're duals

[implied]

Do you love howstuffworks.com? I love howstuffworks.com.


See, we're duals

easy enough. let's run away to vegas!

[UDP]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

i doubt this as well. in a non "UDP you would suck as a dual!" sort of way.

What Maria is trying to say here is; "UDP, you would suck as a dual!"

kekeke!

Is it really that hard to see Garmbozia and myself as opposites?

[xyz]

You two are about as opposite as any two people can get. Well, at least on this thing we call THE16TYPES.INFO FORUM.

[aut0]

I do not think you are my dual, implied. But we can still be friends.

i doubt this as well. in a non "UDP you would suck as a dual!" sort of way.

What Maria is trying to say here is; "UDP, you would suck as a dual!"

kekeke!

Is it really that hard to see Garmbozia and myself as opposites?

If every person who made fun of you was your conflictor, then there wouldn't be much of a variance between types on this board.

[UDP]

You missed my point, aut0. She and I have a history of relating adversely to each other. Making fun of people is not what I am talking about - did you really think that is what I was talking about?

[UDP]

For the record, I have anything against Garmonbozia, nor was I 'feeling bad' about that comment. If I wanted to throw something back at her, it would be a lot more weighty if I used something other than calling her my socionics opposite, don't you think?

[aut0]

You missed my point, aut0. She and I have a history of relating adversely to each other. Making fun of people is not what I am talking about - did you really think that is what I was talking about?

I think you missed my point, just because someone is supposed to be your "conflictor" doesn't mean that the universe will implode the moment you come into contact with one another. Garmonbozia has had a far more public outing with Jessica129 than she did with you. Are you and Jessica129 the same type?

And implied, I like you, you can be my dual, or supervisee, but I don't think you'd like that.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[UDP]

You missed my point, aut0. She and I have a history of relating adversely to each other. Making fun of people is not what I am talking about - did you really think that is what I was talking about?

I think you missed my point, just because someone is supposed to be your "conflictor" doesn't mean that the universe will implode the moment you come into contact with one another. Garmonbozia has had a far more public outing with Jessica129 than she did with you. Are you and Jessica129 the same type?

That was a catfight.

Blah blah blah, neither one of us is saying anything.

[implied]

+2 ISTps thinking i am dual-able!!

[aut0]

You're ISTp auto?

+2 ISTps thinking i am dual-able!!

Do I come off as an ISTp?

[implied]

You're ISTp auto?

+2 ISTps thinking i am dual-able!!

Do I come off as an ISTp?

you do, actually. i would think ISTp/ESTj maybe? i also like how you tend to assess types, from what i've seen, not really letting logical contradictions get you in some ridiculous "this fits but we're complete opposites and you make fun of me so you're my conflictor bla bla" loop or whatever.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[xyz]

Wait, what *IS* your type implied?

[aut0]

You're ISTp auto?

+2 ISTps thinking i am dual-able!!

Do I come off as an ISTp?

you do, actually. i would think ISTp/ESTj maybe? i also like how you tend to assess types, from what i've seen, not really letting logical contradictions get you in some ridiculous "this fits but we're complete opposites and you make fun of me so you're my conflictor bla bla" loop or whatever.

Yes. You do to me.

Cool, then I'm on the right track. For my original statement (where I suggested that implied might be my supervisee), I made that suggestion based on me thinking that I was an ESTj and implied being an ISFp. I was divided on implied being INTp / ISFp, but I think I'd say she's more likely to be INTp than ISFp. In which case you'd be my supervisor... damn not another one.

Diana, do you think implied is ENTj? Or were you basing that on me saying that implied was my supervisee?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[implied]

You're ISTp auto?

+2 ISTps thinking i am dual-able!!

Do I come off as an ISTp?

you do, actually. i would think ISTp/ESTj maybe? i also like how you tend to assess types, from what i've seen, not really letting logical contradictions get you in some ridiculous "this fits but we're complete opposites and you make fun of me so you're my conflictor bla bla" loop or whatever.

Yes. You do to me.

Cool, then I'm on the right track. For my original statement (where I suggested that implied might be my supervisee), I made that suggestion based on me thinking that I was an ESTj and implied being an ISFp. I was divided on implied being INTp / ISFp, but I think I'd say she's more likely to be INTp than ISFp. In which case you'd be my supervisor... damn not another one.

Diana, do you think implied is ENTj? Or were you basing that on me saying that implied was my supervisee?

now that's a supervision ring i've wondered about, and i've heard nothing of it on the forums. i look back at your posts and i'm wondering how you could possibly piss me off. i don't think you supervise with me or whatever. if you do, then i have no idea what the hell it is to be -supervised, unless you'd work me like a slave, which i do pretty much work a lot already. i do think there's a "work isn't life!" litmus point i reach where i say, "enough! cut it out!" i like people who don't put way too much on their plate regarding work. if they do take on too much, i like it when they handle it reasonably/pick and choose so things don't go flying out of control. this isn't something that immediately sets me off, but it does, almost always, if i have to deal with it in close proximity.

i've met highly intelligible ENTps and completely unintelligible ones that lose me every 5 minutes (*cough*hkkmr*cough*.) not to pick on him exclusively, but he's one that we can actually refer to in the forum hah. i definitely had to listen very attentively to "get" him with only brief moments of understanding (oh but they did occur!) i don't think i would be as patient as an ISFp with hkkmr (maybe ISFj/INTp could both relate with this.) regarding my type, that doesn't say a lot, except if someone is talking to me about their big ideas and they get way too loopy and out there, i pretty much get irritable.

i have also heard at least one suggestion that my dual must be some type with or in the ego block. to my ears, this roughly sounds something like money/technology/professionalism/sex/pushiness.

going by some total stereotypes - totally aware that i'm doing this, please don't take offense as it's not meant to offend - i'm also not entirely antisocial, nor a pissed off nerd (well, sometimes i am,) nor a programmer. my interests (mostly linguistics but other things, too) are not entirely NT-ish e.g. not sitting around doing math for pure pleasure (although socionics is on up there!) on the other hand, i'm really sure i don't fit the ISFp connoisseur sybarite stereotype, nor is this even a vaguely accurate caricature of me. i don't really consider myself to have a super complex palate of sensations, although i have a bit of respect for people who do. i'm in a pretty humanitarian field of work as well, although the hope is that it's also practical in some way. regarding the humanitarian thing, i think this is why ISFp comes up so often. and i can be pretty lazy. and usually i'm calm, maybe this is considered a sort of trait - - psychological balance, although i have my days like anyone else.

@aut0 again - ah, i also remember you posting on ENFj/ESTj superegos. i loved that post, and i have had a similar situation. with this girl, it's ridiculous how many friends she has and how generally charming she is all around, networks people, etc. wraps men around her fingers in a way that i absolutely cannot (and honestly, not sure i would want to.) compared to me, she's amazing and i think the preference becomes obvious. i cannot really imagine this being me as i'm far too shy, whereas she's really skilled at attracting people to herself through jokes etc. she's also got some pretty crazy spending habits. just make sure you can pay the rent before you buy a hermes scarf! that's the most i ask, really!

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Make a video! I can't tell if you're my dual by text. And then if you want to know I'll use my incredible powers of intuition and will tell you how we will probably mesh in real life.

[aut0]

now that's a supervision ring i've wondered about, and i've heard nothing of it on the forums. i look back at your posts and i'm wondering how you could possibly piss me off. i don't think you supervise with me or whatever. if you do, then i have no idea what the hell it is to be -supervised, unless you'd work me like a slave, which i do pretty much work a lot already. i do think there's a "work isn't life!" litmus point i reach where i say, "enough! cut it out!" i like people who don't put way too much on their plate regarding work. if they do take on too much, i like it when they handle it reasonably/pick and choose so things don't go flying out of control. this isn't something that immediately sets me off, but it does, almost always, if i have to deal with it in close proximity.

i've met highly intelligible ENTps and completely unintelligible ones that lose me every 5 minutes (*cough*hkkmr*cough*.) not to pick on him exclusively, but he's one that we can actually refer to in the forum hah. i definitely had to listen very attentively to "get" him with only brief moments of understanding (oh but they did occur!) i don't think i would be as patient as an ISFp with hkkmr (maybe ISFj/INTp could both relate with this.) regarding my type, that doesn't say a lot, except if someone is talking to me about their big ideas and they get way too loopy and out there, i pretty much get irritable.

i have also heard at least one suggestion that my dual must be some type with or in the ego block. to my ears, this roughly sounds something like money/technology/professionalism/sex/pushiness.

going by some total stereotypes - totally aware that i'm doing this, please don't take offense as it's not meant to offend - i'm also not entirely antisocial, nor a pissed off nerd (well, sometimes i am,) nor a programmer. my interests (mostly linguistics but other things, too) are not entirely NT-ish e.g. not sitting around doing math for pure pleasure (although socionics is on up there!) on the other hand, i'm really sure i don't fit the ISFp connoisseur sybarite stereotype, nor is this even a vaguely accurate caricature of me. i don't really consider myself to have a super complex palate of sensations, although i have a bit of respect for people who do. i'm in a pretty humanitarian field of work as well, although the hope is that it's also practical in some way. regarding the humanitarian thing, i think this is why ISFp comes up so often. and i can be pretty lazy. and usually i'm calm, maybe this is considered a sort of trait - - psychological balance, although i have my days like anyone else.

Fair enough, my experience when living with my dual was comfortable. I guess the reason I didn't notice it then, was because normally, all my relationships have some degree of resistance. There wasn't any resistance when I was dealing with him, things just got done, conversations had a point, etc.

I think the whole "INTps are antisocial nerds" is bullshit. Both, my dad and my closest friend (who reminds me of my dad ) are INTp, they are anything but anti-social. Especially my INTp friend, he loves going to parties, he's not some kind of social leper. He is a computer programmer though. They both get lost in their own world mid-conversation, and they both come off to me as childlike. They both have a tough time making decisions (not all decisions), I took my friend grocery shopping and I remember him walking back and forth between two items for about 5 minutes since he couldn't make a decision on what to buy... I remember wanting to smack him upside the head. They're both pretty calm, I'm convinced that if I'm not actively engaging my INTp friend he'll fall asleep. He always looks like he just woke up, most of the time that's true though. Neither of them act like they're pissed off, not unless they're actually annoyed with something. They are very critical though, which annoys the shit out of me. Whenever I have some plan or idea, I get a barrage of "You're not thinking this through, you have to blah blah blah", that's when I tune them out. And my INTp dad is always on me about rushing into things, doing things in a hurry, etc.

I think having a leading introverted function (more so than just Si) can make you come off as being calm or lazy. I'm pretty reserved and polite around most people, but I have way too much energy to really consider myself to be calm. I feel normal when I have a heavy workload, and I expend a lot of energy so I can crash at night. I absolutely need some kind of physical release that exhausts me, everyday, or I feel lazy.

@aut0 again - ah, i also remember you posting on ENFj/ESTj superegos. i loved that post, and i have had a similar situation. with this girl, it's ridiculous how many friends she has and how generally charming she is all around, networks people, etc. wraps men around her fingers in a way that i absolutely cannot (and honestly, not sure i would want to.) compared to me, she's amazing and i think the preference becomes obvious. i cannot really imagine this being me as i'm far too shy, whereas she's really skilled at attracting people to herself through jokes etc. she's also got some pretty crazy spending habits. just make sure you can pay the rent before you buy a hermes scarf! that's the most i ask, really!

The spending habits reminds me of myself. Would you want to be with someone like that, or would you feel like they were getting all the attention? For me, I need to be the center of attention, I'm an attention whore. I mean, obviously, everyone wants to have attention paid to them to some extent, but I meant in public. Would you want to be the more socially adept one, or the more reserved one?

[Ms. Kensington]

i have also heard at least one suggestion that my dual must be some type with or in the ego block.

I like Hermes!

If this quote is about me, I didn't mean in the ego block, but meant a type with a Te or Se value. My official opinion is that you are an Fi/Te quadra, and I think I said Se because sometimes Se looks like Te.

[implied]

Fair enough, my experience when living with my dual was comfortable. I guess the reason I didn't notice it then, was because normally, all my relationships have some degree of resistance. There wasn't any resistance when I was dealing with him, things just got done, conversations had a point, etc.

I think the whole "INTps are antisocial nerds" is bullshit. Both, my dad and my closest friend (who reminds me of my dad ) are INTp, they are anything but anti-social. Especially my INTp friend, he loves going to parties, he's not some kind of social leper. He is a computer programmer though. They both get lost in their own world mid-conversation, and they both come off to me as childlike. They both have a tough time making decisions (not all decisions), I took my friend grocery shopping and I remember him walking back and forth between two items for about 5 minutes since he couldn't make a decision on what to buy... I remember wanting to smack him upside the head. They're both pretty calm, I'm convinced that if I'm not actively engaging my INTp friend he'll fall asleep. He always looks like he just woke up, most of the time that's true though. Neither of them act like they're pissed off, not unless they're actually annoyed with something. They are very critical though, which annoys the shit out of me. Whenever I have some plan or idea, I get a barrage of "You're not thinking this through, you have to blah blah blah", that's when I tune them out. And my INTp dad is always on me about rushing into things, doing things in a hurry, etc.

oooh i've done the grocery store thing! and driven other people mad with it! i'd walk around with an item in my cart, intent on buying it, then put it back at the last minute. or spend 5 minutes trying to decide. i also really firmly believe that rushing too much on anything can sacrifice quality (especially wrt work and the like.) you might be right about falling asleep if not actively engaged.

I think having a leading introverted function (more so than just Si) can make you come off as being calm or lazy. I'm pretty reserved and polite around most people, but I have way too much energy to really consider myself to be calm. I feel normal when I have a heavy workload, and I expend a lot of energy so I can crash at night. I absolutely need some kind of physical release that exhausts me, everyday, or I feel lazy.

not entirely sure i relate on the physical release bit. i've been around both Si-EJs and i can say they both seem frantic to me, the ESTjs notably less. but i do relate with the need to keep my mind occupied (by work, by study, by reading, by something) or i'd do the same. i don't know, i fear retirement may never happen for me simply because i'd be bored out of my mind. i could sort of see myself @ 70 or whatever, being one of these people who goes into work even if they really don't need to, especially if i love the job.

@aut0 again - ah, i also remember you posting on ENFj/ESTj superegos. i loved that post, and i have had a similar situation. with this girl, it's ridiculous how many friends she has and how generally charming she is all around, networks people, etc. wraps men around her fingers in a way that i absolutely cannot (and honestly, not sure i would want to.) compared to me, she's amazing and i think the preference becomes obvious. i cannot really imagine this being me as i'm far too shy, whereas she's really skilled at attracting people to herself through jokes etc. she's also got some pretty crazy spending habits. just make sure you can pay the rent before you buy a hermes scarf! that's the most i ask, really!

The spending habits reminds me of myself. Would you want to be with someone like that, or would you feel like they were getting all the attention? For me, I need to be the center of attention, I'm an attention whore. I mean, obviously, everyone wants to have attention paid to them to some extent, but I meant in public. Would you want to be the more socially adept one, or the more reserved one?[/quote]

regarding spending habits -- in my own experience, i have a brother who seems as ESTj as it can possibly get. it doesn't really bother me when he decides to blow a ton of money because he has that lovely delta Si where he buys quality things -- and he's extremely good at making money. in my friend's case, she more or less depends on men for a lot of these luxuries. this is riskier and not exactly as stable as, say, using my brother's methods of roth iras and such hah. i actually worked with him doing some random menial accounting contract work. i can't say i felt "supervised" really, even though he was literally supervising me and basically judging the quality of my work. i could sort of see this going on on my end a few times when he's gotten into trouble. he might also share your "this person is about to fall asleep on me" perception.

in public, i'm usually sort of relieved if someone else wants to take on that sort of center of attention aspect, honestly. i can do it somewhat, i'm not that shy, but if someone else wants to, i'll let them knock themselves out!

[implied]

I don't think we're in the same quadra, but I don't think we're in opposing quadras either.
I don't think you should type based on what other people's type might be, try to eliminate those concerns and concentrate on who you are.

I think the problems with Augusta's system are in its methodology, not to say it doesn't have its benefits but it lends itself to group think and confirmation bias. There are few means of accurate measurement in socionics other then group interaction and personal observation. Testing in socionics is MBTI influenced. Rick has stated that Augusta's system is base system, and I agree, but for different reasons. The concern of the system is to monitor intent and motive rather then behavior. MBTI is more a system that attempts to monitor behavior more then intent. MBTI is testing based. As a based system, it requires a level of self-awareness that is achieved thru social interaction. The problem here being.. people are very susceptible to social interaction..

As far as understanding me, I think in verbal conversation, I am fairly difficult to understand unless I have throughly thought out something. When I'm posting it takes me usually 15 minutes - 1 hour to compose even simple posts. This is true of my creative writing as well, I can be selectively perfectionist and edit heavily the contents and grammar, not language specific grammar however. Chinese is also my first language and what is notable about that is my grammar has a lot of Chinese influence.

i know i told you that i taught a pile of kids from beijing and have worked pretty extensively with chinese immigrants/students. i think i'm pretty good at predicting what sorts of errors they're likely to make in english. i promise you that any misunderstandings we had in communication weren't due to your "poor english" or your chinese transfer (which i did not detect at all!) if i'm confident in anything, it's in my ability to pick apart any aspect of language when i care to and subsequently work at correcting it. i could just barely detect an accent. it was more of a pileup of ideas and general mishmash! lots of information to take in at once, hard to imagine many people would be able to take it all in adequately. i would tend to agree that you are much easier to understand in text/via AIM. if anything, it was more that you talked a lot about some pretty heavy subjects, and you spoke quickly, sometimes repeating yourself a bit.

fwiw, i don't see you as my conflictor either, by any means. just that i don't see myself playing ISFp for you and handing you a sandwich when you get too "far out" or whatever ISFps are supposed to do. i mean, i just think it's pretty obvious that this is not my forte.

[implied]

i have also heard at least one suggestion that my dual must be some type with or in the ego block.

I like Hermes!

If this quote is about me, I didn't mean in the ego block, but meant a type with a Te or Se value. My official opinion is that you are an Fi/Te quadra, and I think I said Se because sometimes Se looks like Te.

it's about you.

i like hermes, too!

i'd tend to think a type with a value is more likely than a value, in all honesty, but i could be wrong. i agree that sometimes can be mistaken for quite a bit.


i don't think i've met my conflictor yet, on this board. i could see dee getting on up there pretty quickly.