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    What do you think?




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    At least based on the movie about him (The Aviator), I was thinking ENFj.
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    not on the basis of the movie please

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    then nevermind.

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    I know a bit more about him than just from The Aviator, and I'd say ENFj, too. Ethical subtype.

    It fits - his perfectionism, his early charm and leadership, his disorder, his weak , especially in the extremes of his later years.
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    I didn't mention this, but I did actually work for Hughes (Network Systems) for a number of years. Just from the corporate culture you could sorta sense this "reach for the stars" mentality. Very visionary and ground breaking. Some things worked out great like they highlighted in the movie. But other things they spent millions if not billions on developing, only for the market to fall through or the few customers that wanted it evaporating in the dot com bust. Some of the things just kept going on and on and on and on and any sane person would have pulled the plug on it ages ago, but they just kept pouring billions into it never to see a dime back. Or they kept delaying product launches for years so that they could "perfect" it and keep putting more and more and more features into it that nobody would use. That remineded me of that movie he was making in the Aviator. And where are the Hughes companies today? Either shut down or bought out by competitors. Hughes Aircraft got absorbed by I forget who. Hughes Satellite Systems got bought by Boeing. Hughes Electronics (Direct TV, H. Network systems, etc) got bought by News Corp and is being sold off in chunks. Lots of fallout.

    Anyways, watching the movie I was like "yeah, that's Hughes alright". Visionary, reckless, high-risk, delaying things for years to "perfect" them, sometimes success, other times total disaster (not highlighted so much in the movie), etc. This is why I mentioned ENFj.

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    From a documentary I saw o Hughes, he was a shy person and also had a pschological condition in which he felt uncomfortable with people looking at him.

    I therefore don't think he is extroverted. I don't think the movie necessarily portrays a true picture of his personality. I suppose they try to make a film dramatic.

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    I think some ENTjs and ENFjs can appear to be shy at personal contact, at first, even if their functional ordering otherwise indicates their type.

    Moreover, before his disorder got really bad, Hughes was always hanging around in parties and dating tons of Hollywood stars, often at the same time - - that does sound more like what an ENFj than an INTj would do. Of course his money and position helped, but he did seem to be able to charm those women, and other people.

    Hughes's disorder was compulsive-obsessive, to which ENFjs are said to be particularly prone to, and in his isolation he lived in total chaos regarding his person and personal surroundings -- that is, like having zero .

    Also, even during the worst of his isolation, he still kept writing memos and contacting people by phone, all the time, which sounds extroverted.

    And would an INTj feel inclined to do all the first experimental flights of his planes himself?

    It's difficult to type someone of his position and personality disorder, but altogether I think ENFj is more likely than INTj.
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    Regarding The Aviator - - I think it's mostly accurate regarding the facts it relates, as far as they go, since they also leave out many things. I don't think it's as accurate in its portrayal of Hughes and other people.

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    I think ENFj makes a lot of sense. He had an enormous Si issues - Wikipedia makes it sound like almost all of his problems were related to Si.
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    Actually I changed my views on Hughes - and Socionics - a lot since I wrote the posts above.

    I now think that ENTp is the likeliest type for Hughes.
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    He was close friends with Katherine Hepburn, whom Rick typed as ENFp. After watching "The Aviator", I think it is possible that both of them are look-a-likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Actually I changed my views on Hughes - and Socionics - a lot since I wrote the posts above.

    I now think that ENTp is the likeliest type for Hughes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Actually I changed my views on Hughes - and Socionics - a lot since I wrote the posts above.

    I now think that ENTp is the likeliest type for Hughes.
    Agreed. I think the Si-PoLR call is a kind of easy cop-out for his OCD/hypochondria, and his values were clearly Alpha, IMO.
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    INTJ seems fine to me.
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    First impression was ENTx for me.

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    Howard Hughes: American business magnate, investor, record-setting pilot, engineer, film director, and philanthropist, "known during his lifetime as one of the most financially successful individuals in the world." Later in life, he became known for his eccentric behavior and reclusive lifestyle.

    One of the 20th century’s most fascinating figures, Howard Hughes was a tremendously successful businessman, notable for doing well in numerous unrelated areas, including film, aerospace, real estate, and hotels, innovating (and making loads of money) in each. He was a generous philanthropist, supporting medical research after his parents died of an ectopic pregnancy and a heart attack, respectively, while Hughes was a teenager. At one point, he was considered the richest self-made man in the world (although, like most self-made men, he inherited a successful business from his father.) And he dated a parade of movie stars, including Bette Davis, Ava Gardner, Katharine Hepburn, and Ginger Rogers. But Hughes is equally famous for the last 10 years of his life, when chronic pain and obsessive-compulsive disorder turned him into a germophobic recluse.
    Martin Scorsese's biopic of Hughes was called The Aviator for a reason. While Hughes was successful in many areas, he was legendary in the field of aviation. He not only flew several record-setting flights, he did so in planes his company built and he had a hand in designing. The speed record he set in 1935 was the last record set in a plane built by an individual; subsequent records have been set by military aircraft. The Hughes H-1 Racer set a speed record the first time it flew; Hughes flew the plane until it ran out of fuel, and managed to crash land without injuring himself or the plane. His first words upon leaving the cockpit were, “We can fix her. She'll go faster.” Not content to test and fly airplanes, Hughes also bought TWA in 1939 and ran it for 17 years.
    The OCD that dominated Hughes' later life seemed to be present early on. Even as a young man, Hughes was fixated on seemingly trivial details—one of his favorite foods was peas, but he became preoccupied with sorting them by size. He was reportedly extremely difficult to work for as a film director, as he would get hung up on minute details for long stretches. In 1947, Hughes went to a local screening room and ended up staying for four months straight, watching movies constantly, consuming only chicken, milk, and chocolate, and writing instructions that he was to be neither spoken to nor looked at.
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    Howard Hughes once became quite fond of Baskin-Robbins Banana Nut ice cream, so his aides tried to purchase a bulk shipment for him. Sadly, they discovered the flavor had been discontinued. They put in a request for the smallest amount the company could provide for a special order, 350 gallons (1,300 Liters). It was shipped from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, where Hughes lived at the time on the top floor of the Desert Inn. That's the hotel he bought after they tried to evict him. A few days after the order arrived, Hughes announced he was tired of Banana Nut and only wanted French Vanilla ice cream. The Desert Inn ended up distributing free Banana Nut ice cream to casino customers for a full year until the 350 gallons were gone.
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    (there's a History Channel documentary, as well)

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