Vladimir Lenin

[Dee]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

"We want to achieve a new and better order of society: in this new and better society there must be neither rich nor poor; all will have to work. Not a handful of rich people, but all the working people must enjoy the fruits of their common labour. Machines and other improvements must serve to ease the work of all and not to enable a few to grow rich at the expense of millions and tens of millions of people. This new and better society is called socialist society. The teachings about this society are called socialism."

"While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State."

"Materialism is the recognition of "objects in themselves", or outside the mind; ideas and sensations are copies of images of those objects."

"To be a materialist is to acknowledge objective truth, which is revealed to us by our sense organs."

"The sole "property" of matter with whose recognition philosophical materialism is bound up is the property of being an objective reality, of existing outside the mind."

"If the world is eternally moving and developing matter (as the Marxists think), reflected by the developing human consciousness, what is there “static” here? The point at issue is not the immutable essence of things, or an immutable consciousness, but the correspondence between the consciousness which reflects nature and the nature which is reflected by consciousness."

"Man’s consciousness not only reflects the objective world, but creates it."

"Political institutions are a superstructure resting on an economic foundation."

"It is in prison … that one becomes a real revolutionary."

"All the marvels of science and the gains of culture belong to the nation as a whole, and never again will man’s brain and human genius be used for oppression and exploitation."

[Gilly]

Probably SLE, but VI makes me want to throw ILE out there as an option.

[Ezra]

Me and Elzo had a discussion about LIE. I consistently think Te is a possibility. I also don't necessarily think Ti/Fe > Te/Fi for me. In fact, it seems strange to think that when I look at my life thus far.

[Logos]

Considering his set of revisions to Marxist ideology (ILE), I would guess SLE for Lenin.

[munenori2]

Considering his set of revisions to Marxist ideology (ILE), I would guess SLE for Lenin.

I verily agree, sir!

[Logos]

beta takes the stuff from alpha and on it goes, huh? it's very interesting how socionics works, isn't it? gorbachyov is apparently an SEE, though as we can see, it goes back to beta now, or maybe delta and alpha flew past already? or is it that cycle can go back?

Quadras do not act in an assembly line process, but the transference of ideas between Quadras is far more fluid than most make it out to be. Ideas are not generated, adjusted, and utilized by one quadra alone, but by all quadras in accordance to their means, abilities, and goals.

[Logos]

but on a scale of political processes for example, if to round things up sort of, wouldn't there have to be a passing of the intermediate quadra before a conflicting one can take over? i mean there are no points to catch on, like all the values are different. i've read gamma cannot go into beta (or perhaps unlikely) as these have a good grip on power, perhaps stuff like this applies to other quadras. how can alpha take control from gamma before it decays (literally) into delta as well? like perhaps things like this do happen though, though i do not know.

There is no taking control of anything; they are ideas. I think that you are seeing a political struggle where there is no inherent one. Ideas are not processed one quadra at a time. Once an idea is out, it exists such that it can be picked up by the other three quadras. Delta may produce something, and Alpha may like the / aspects, Gamma may like the / qualities but criticize the lack of /, and even Beta may like the general idea, because it fits the / system and can be used to the ends of a / end, though not as Delta intended it. But to think that ideas must necessarily flow due to functions in an assembly line from A <-> B <-> G <-> D <-> A seems to be rather silly.

[UDP]

Anyone else want to add in about Lenin?

[Ezra]

But it would also be consistent with him having a strong rational preference and being neither particularly Se- or Si-vauling.

What! ifmd, I once thought your arguments sound. But in some respects you're diverging from socionics so much that I dunno what the hell you are doing here.

[Ezra]

thinking subtypes tend to be more mistrustful than their perceptive counterparts. ethical subtypes tend to be more mindful of norms, whether social or personal, than their perceptive counterparts. reading the descriptions about subtypes and love, this does seem to translate, at least on average, into what i suggested earlier. (i have no idea how pronounced the difference is though.)

I was objecting to the fact that you suggested that Lenin may have no strong Se or Si preference, which is ridiculous.

[CheGuevara]

A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

Anybody interested in communism?

[Not A Communist Shill]

No, but I am Stalin's lovechild.

[Hitta]

A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

Anybody interested in communism?

Communism is the study of devaluing humans.

[Logos]

A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

Anybody interested in communism?

I would probably say Beta Extratim too.

[The Greeter]

Why do you think he is INTj?

I am also inclined to think him SLE/ESTp.

[crazedrat]

Communism is the study of devaluing humans.

and democracy is the process of destroying the earth

[Logos]

and democracy is the process of destroying the earth

I believe you are confusing democracy with consumerism.

[JohnDo]

Please vote...

[silke]

Lenin's next incarnation




SLE-Ti sp/so

[Beautiful sky]

SEE

[Beautiful sky]

DiCaprio is SEE, not SLE, imo.

Leo is LSE

[Amber]

SLE . Just like DiCaprio, a good, almost implausible version never encountered so far.

[Muddy]

He's basically the human embodiment of beta quadra.

[khcs]

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov - Lenin - ENFP - Huxley

[khcs]

Nadezhda Konstantinovna Krupskaya - ISTP - Gabin

[khcs]

There is a dual inter-type relationship between the ENFP and the ISTP.

[Blue]

EIE

[Sol]

mb ENTJ

Krupskaya - ILI

[inaLim]

Lenin - SLE

Krupskaya - Se valuing introvert

[Amoeba]

stupid type.

[Sol]

stupid type

You take negative emotional evaluation from liberal-hithleristic propaganda and then mix it with logical evaluation.
This kind of mind distortion is more expected for F types.

Lenin was the leader to keep Russia from a destruction started by liberals after monarchists gave them the control in Februrary 1917. Then to create the basis for most strong, prosperous, efficient and humanistic Russian state in the history.
The state which was strong enough to win the war against united hithleristic Europe states and soon to become 2nd economy of the world.

[Amoeba]

You take negative emotional evaluation from liberal-hithleristic propaganda and then mix it with logical evaluation.
This kind of mind distortion is more expected for F types.

Lenin was the leader to keep Russia from a destruction started by liberals after monarchists gave them the control in Februrary 1917. Then to create the basis for most strong, prosperous, efficient and humanistic Russian state in the history.
The state which was strong enough to win the war against united hithleristic Europe states and soon to become 2nd economy of the world.

The fact that you can't understand that liberalism and communism are inherently the same makes you an F type or maybe just an idiot like lenan.

[nifl]

The fact that you can't understand that liberalism and communism are inherently the same makes you an F type or maybe just an idiot like lenan.

there is nothing inherently about collective sharing of resources in liberalism, so they are obviously not inherently the same.
you think strangely from my view. you remind me a little of Beautiful sky sometimes, just irrationally; where what you say sounds like something close to nonsense. it would be interesting to see the awaited video. perhaps it's among other things related to superego collision.

[Amoeba]

there is nothing inherently about collective sharing of resources in liberalism, so they are obviously not inherently the same.
you think strangely from my view. you remind me a little of Beautiful sky sometimes, just irrationally. where what you say sounds like nonsense. would be interesting to see the awaited video.

There is nothing inherently about the collective sharing of resources in communism either it's all about centralizing power and control by brainwashing the masses thinking they will get free shit.Liberslism is just a gateway to communism and easing into it. Trust me i'm far more rational than you are Brainwashed individuals are anything but rational

[Expansion]

Ni dominant with Te.

He's too much of a visionary of fitment of ideas in how things change through time. An ENTJ is suited for fixing corporate blunders via analysis, not making a philosophical system, nor political systems; and they envision themselves in time of what they want for themselves, not for the masses. That's the ego fix. If they led a revolution, it is because they are central to it by their survival by force of circumstance, not pondering complex systems and author it and lead it.


Not everything is black and white. I.e., not one size fits all in exceptions.

I think the leader of Germany was NFJ, he had an ability to lead and he had a system. This is more Fe in motive. Any creative Ni type in my book, is more reactive, not proactive in systems building.

Just a dime for my thoughts.