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  • SEI (ISFp)

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  • LII (INTj)

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  • SLE (ESTp)

    2 66.67%
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  • LIE (ENTj)

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  • IEE (ENFp)

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Thread: Vladimir Lenin

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    Default Vladimir Lenin



    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

    "We want to achieve a new and better order of society: in this new and better society there must be neither rich nor poor; all will have to work. Not a handful of rich people, but all the working people must enjoy the fruits of their common labour. Machines and other improvements must serve to ease the work of all and not to enable a few to grow rich at the expense of millions and tens of millions of people. This new and better society is called socialist society. The teachings about this society are called socialism."

    "While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State."

    "Materialism is the recognition of "objects in themselves", or outside the mind; ideas and sensations are copies of images of those objects."

    "To be a materialist is to acknowledge objective truth, which is revealed to us by our sense organs."

    "The sole "property" of matter with whose recognition philosophical materialism is bound up is the property of being an objective reality, of existing outside the mind."

    "If the world is eternally moving and developing matter (as the Marxists think), reflected by the developing human consciousness, what is there “static” here? The point at issue is not the immutable essence of things, or an immutable consciousness, but the correspondence between the consciousness which reflects nature and the nature which is reflected by consciousness."

    "Man’s consciousness not only reflects the objective world, but creates it."

    "Political institutions are a superstructure resting on an economic foundation."

    "It is in prison … that one becomes a real revolutionary."

    "All the marvels of science and the gains of culture belong to the nation as a whole, and never again will man’s brain and human genius be used for oppression and exploitation."






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    Probably SLE, but VI makes me want to throw ILE out there as an option.
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    Me and Elzo had a discussion about LIE. I consistently think Te is a possibility. I also don't necessarily think Ti/Fe > Te/Fi for me. In fact, it seems strange to think that when I look at my life thus far.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Considering his set of revisions to Marxist ideology (ILE), I would guess SLE for Lenin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Considering his set of revisions to Marxist ideology (ILE), I would guess SLE for Lenin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    beta takes the stuff from alpha and on it goes, huh? it's very interesting how socionics works, isn't it? gorbachyov is apparently an SEE, though as we can see, it goes back to beta now, or maybe delta and alpha flew past already? or is it that cycle can go back?
    Quadras do not act in an assembly line process, but the transference of ideas between Quadras is far more fluid than most make it out to be. Ideas are not generated, adjusted, and utilized by one quadra alone, but by all quadras in accordance to their means, abilities, and goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    but on a scale of political processes for example, if to round things up sort of, wouldn't there have to be a passing of the intermediate quadra before a conflicting one can take over? i mean there are no points to catch on, like all the values are different. i've read gamma cannot go into beta (or perhaps unlikely) as these have a good grip on power, perhaps stuff like this applies to other quadras. how can alpha take control from gamma before it decays (literally) into delta as well? like perhaps things like this do happen though, though i do not know.
    There is no taking control of anything; they are ideas. I think that you are seeing a political struggle where there is no inherent one. Ideas are not processed one quadra at a time. Once an idea is out, it exists such that it can be picked up by the other three quadras. Delta may produce something, and Alpha may like the / aspects, Gamma may like the / qualities but criticize the lack of /, and even Beta may like the general idea, because it fits the / system and can be used to the ends of a / end, though not as Delta intended it. But to think that ideas must necessarily flow due to functions in an assembly line from A <-> B <-> G <-> D <-> A seems to be rather silly.
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    Anyone else want to add in about Lenin?
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    But it would also be consistent with him having a strong rational preference and being neither particularly Se- or Si-vauling.
    What! ifmd, I once thought your arguments sound. But in some respects you're diverging from socionics so much that I dunno what the hell you are doing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    thinking subtypes tend to be more mistrustful than their perceptive counterparts. ethical subtypes tend to be more mindful of norms, whether social or personal, than their perceptive counterparts. reading the descriptions about subtypes and love, this does seem to translate, at least on average, into what i suggested earlier. (i have no idea how pronounced the difference is though.)
    I was objecting to the fact that you suggested that Lenin may have no strong Se or Si preference, which is ridiculous.

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    A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

    Anybody interested in communism?

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    No, but I am Stalin's lovechild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheGuevara View Post
    A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

    Anybody interested in communism?
    Communism is the study of devaluing humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheGuevara View Post
    A lot of people think Lenin was ESTp, others say ENFj. Very confusing because I am absolutely sure he was INTj.

    Anybody interested in communism?
    I would probably say Beta Extratim too.
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    Why do you think he is INTj?

    I am also inclined to think him SLE/ESTp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Communism is the study of devaluing humans.
    and democracy is the process of destroying the earth
    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    and democracy is the process of destroying the earth
    I believe you are confusing democracy with consumerism.
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    Lenin's next incarnation




    SLE-Ti sp/so

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    SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankh View Post
    DiCaprio is SEE, not SLE, imo.
    Leo is LSE

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    SLE . Just like DiCaprio, a good, almost implausible version never encountered so far.

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