i dont think i have ever met a male esfj.
where can i find esfjs?
i dont think i have ever met a male esfj.
take a look here http://www.socionics.com/rel/dlt.htm
it says it is difficult to notice your dual partner.
I guess it happens because it's like being in company with your unconcious self, which it's not object to our preoccupation or attention and it doesn't trouble you at all
If we look closely in the display of the functions what we have in the concious area (4 functions - ego+superego) the dual has in the unconcious area (the same 4 functions - id+superid), though in different arrangement
ESFj
ego:+
superego:+
INTj
id:
superid:
So the functions being restricted to the concious/ unconcious area
it means they don't interfere and therefore they don't cause conflict
In social situations we kinda get lost in our efforts to make clear our intents to others and maybe that's how we overlook the person who could be a perfect match
yes, in the company of your dual there is role reversal a plenty. the concept of who is extraverted or introverted is thrown out the window leaving us with a perfect synergy of two brains, the paradox of one soul shared between two bodies.
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
My stepfather is ESFj - he acts illogical sometimes and has this weird walk that seems very noticably diffrent from the way most men walk.
ESFj males can perhaps come in two flavours:
Masculine with a fairly normal feminine charm and good with relationships leading to social butterfly status
or masculine with an abnormal sexuality complex and failed relationships leading to social depravity.
I guess for stability sake in the case of the latter, a male ESFj needs to have had a dual relation at least once even if they don't settle for one. Heck, i think we all need stability that only a dual can provide unless you wanna cope other ways i.e. multiple partners, drugs etc.
My best friend of nearly 8 years and counting is an ESFj male (unaware at the time of the duality, rationalising it now is purely trivial), he's a well adjusted individual with a girlfriend, don't think she's INTj but it doesn't matter, deep down he is content with the equilibrium we bring to eachother's lives just by existing. Frequent interaction is not required. Duality is great, everyone should have a dual partner or know of a dual friend. Everyone else will be naturally jealous cause they can sense something about the connection but so what, as much as duals need eachother, people need duals who can appear as a beacon of stability for others until they find their duals if they ever do, at least it gives them hope i guess.
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
Church and community/club gatherings
I(N)Tj
Agree!1Duality is great, everyone should have a dual partner or know of a dual friend.
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Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
Originally Posted by krae
You know, it's not like they sell duals in convenience stores...
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
Good observation
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
*Waits for an ENTj to come up with a _great_ business venture*
Wait...Cone...is that an ...... EMOTICON???
You know, it's not like they sell duals in convenience stores...
*or to be ruthless and develop an existing great idea ready to be marketed*
err... www.socionicsdating.com anyone?
Remember to keep things simple and not any simpler like Einstein once said.
Re: where can i find esfjs?
Go to Abercrombie & Fitch. Look for a bit, then you should find a bunch. (liek within 1 minute) :wink:
are you talking about the sales associates?
Re: where can i find esfjs?
Bush is probably an esfj male.
Why would you think Bush is a feeler? Or even a sensor... you can tell he's not always "quite there" and he has a wandering gaze in his eyes, which is characteristic of intuitive types.
To answer the topic questions: Dance class. They've got great rhythm.
Entp
ILE
No, he's just a very dumb ESFj male
You don't think he could be a dumb thinker? He is known to be tackless and unsympathetic at times.No, he's just a very dumb ESFj male
Male ESFj types have strong
BTW. Can you have this feeling like the woman is your wife though you too are not dateing , also in the Relation of Benefit? I know ESFj woman and every time we meet, I have this feeling that she is my wife and we are one mind in two bodies.
Semiotical process
My ESFj and ENTp friend act as if they are husband and wife, if that's any help
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
I have the same feeling with EIIs, come to think of it.
Hmm. Activators according to Socionics should stimulate each other into activities and those activities are the same. So it might be like that in relationship between the E/Ixxp+E/Ixxp or E/Ixxj + E/Ixxj, where both pairs have middle letters different. But duals deffinetly would act like this. I read form this forum how one INTj ended the relationship with it's dual, just because they were like married to each other, but they were not dateing. But the difference should be that activators get overactivated, but duals calm dawn, anxiety goes away, they will just relax and enjoy this loose feeling.
Do INTjs overidealize the life of their dual?
Semiotical process
You don't think he could be a dumb thinker? He is known to be tackless and unsympathetic at times.No, he's just a very dumb ESFj male
My mom is an ESFj and my dad is an ESFp (yeah, that sucks). I am an INTx. I don’t really know if x is j or p, but about 100% on I, N, and T, especially N. In any event, my childhood was INT hell. Although, it is now obvious to me when I am dealing with ESFxs though.
I just know Bush is ESFj. Too many similarities to my mom. I could almost certainly come up with logic to justify that answer, but it seems so obvious that it is like trying to logically explain the difference between something that is red verse something that is blue.
That is SO, SO true about ESFjs looking like ESTjs, except, ESFjs will hold on to really bad ideas for a really long time regardless of the arguments against it, for reasons I can not explain, while ESTjs will realize that they are wrong and will then try a more productive course of action.Male ESFj types have strong
BTW. Can you have this feeling like the woman is your wife though you too are not dateing , also in the Relation of Benefit? I know ESFj woman and every time we meet, I have this feeling that she is my wife and we are one mind in two bodies.
ESFjs should not be put in charge of anything more important than setting up a traditional party or something utterly unimportant along those lines.
Paul
I am not sure if I am an INTj or INTp, but I DEFINETELY overidealize my relationship with anyone romantically, dual aside. I have a hard time getting past the third date because, well, I have a tendency to conclude that the person I am dating isn’t the right one and, well, stop calling. That almost seems ENFp ish in a way, except ENFps will stick around with Mr/Ms wrong until the right one comes along where as INTjs (if I am one) will decide to search for Ms/Mr right while single.
Paul
But we have to at least at one time thought they were the right one.I am not sure if I am an INTj or INTp, but I DEFINETELY overidealize my relationship with anyone romantically, dual aside. I have a hard time getting past the third date because, well, I have a tendency to conclude that the person I am dating isn’t the right one and, well, stop calling. That almost seems ENFp ish in a way, except ENFps will stick around with Mr/Ms wrong until the right one comes along where as INTjs (if I am one) will decide to search for Ms/Mr right while single.
Paul
ENFP - Ethical Subtype.
In touch with semireality.
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