Which function do we have the least patience with?

[Joy]

From my observations, it's the 7th. What are your thoughts?

[Logos]

From my observations, it's the 7th. What are your thoughts?

Do you not love the ?

[marooned]

Why would you not have patience with a strong (albeit unvalued) function...

And yes, what is it with you and , Joy?

[Joy]

Actually, it was Peter and Fe that inspired this thread.

[Ms. Kensington]

loki, you can know how to do something well and still be annoyed with it. Like, say like your friend loves knitting and you know how to knit well. all day long is *knit knit* and talking about knitting, and asking you about knitting and youre like, dude I get it, you like knitting, i dont care. Maybe?

I also get annoyed with use of the 7th if it's not something im interested in, but not the most annoyed of all functions.

[marooned]

loki, you can know how to do something well and still be annoyed with it. Like, say like your friend loves knitting and you know how to knit well. all day long is *knit knit* and talking about knitting, and asking you about knitting and youre like, dude I get it, you like knitting, i dont care. Maybe?

I also get annoyed with use of the 7th if it's not something im interested in, but not the most annoyed of all functions.

I think this is useful. I think that works... I like but I think I do eventually get tired of it... I'll ponder...

[Ms. Kensington]

i thought i would answer the question .. I am probably most annoyed with use of my role function. I am something more like angry if someone is using a fucntion that devalues my valued ones (Ne and Ti, Fe).. so like, strong Se or something. But I seem to find Ni dominants very cute and interesting.

Another thought. I know an ISFj whom i thanked for "chatting up" someone she didnt know when i was away, and that seemed to really piss her off. But there is a difference between doing this and having someone else say, "oh thanks for doing it" like it was something she HAD to do (even though i didnt mean that, but i probably said that because i would feel like it should be done because its polite).

[Joy]

yeah, for me role is 2nd

[UDP]

, in some cases

[Suomea]

3rd

[aestrivex]

probably introverted logic, when misused.

[BLauritson]

Hmm.. I'd have to go with which I believe to be meh role function.

[Expat]

I don't know, really -- probably over-the-top Fe, as in "drunk ESFj" style; excessive Si as in "why are you worried about missing that deadline? Relax, just relax, man" ; ideological Ti as in "the future of mankind depends on this, you're either blind or stupid, or a liar, if you don't agree".

[Kristiina]

***rant warning***

I suppose maybe - I have my opinions of morality, they have their's. Why is their version any better? What right do they have to look at me like I'm a bad person? I judge other people just like the Fi people do, but somehow it irritates me when people try to shape my opinions on any issues - like how I should think of the homeless people and how I should feel bad for the less fortunate etc. Pffff... I do feel sorry for them, but I don't think they are equal. They aren't. Not equal on so many levels - like the homeless people who are not part of the society - why should I treat them like a normal part of the society. I treat them like humans and I ignore them most of the time, but I don't think they are equal, ok? Damn morals.

[Slacker]

I really think it would have to be Ti or Se.

Do I also sometimes lack patience with other functions, sure. But as far as "the least patience" goes, it would have to be those two.

[Ezra]

Whatever Phaedrus' functions are. Seriously.

I also have no patience for people who write out huge, long discourses on socionics. That has no interest for me whatsoever.

What I do like is what Rick writes. Not to be a suck-up, he's concise, enlightening and is extremely good at getting across ideas and concepts to people like me who have no patience for people like Smilingeyes. I like his simple and effective style a lot.

[MysticSonic]

Se, easily. It's just so frustrating and irritating to deal with, given that I have such little aptitude for it(beyond what I've managed to squeeze out of a continual attempt to develop it.) Se also seems like it forces things upon me without the right to do so.

[Ezra]

Se also seems like it forces things upon me without the right to do so.

That's very interesting. Basically, Se types would have it that they and only they are making decisions about everything concerning themselves, and yet they have no regard whatsoever for the fact that others also have this basic right, on which they impede. It's the ultimate hypocricy.

[Blaze]

any function can be annoying when it's overused. it's the overuse that's annoying. so, even the functions i value can be annoying for sure. having said that, Te and Fi are prolly the most annoying to me.

[Ezra]

any function can be annoying when it's overused. it's the overuse that's annoying.

Good point. But each type naturally finds certain functions more durable than others. For example, an SLE would be more resilient to overuse of Ni or Fe than an LSE would.

[Blaze]

any function can be annoying when it's overused. it's the overuse that's annoying.

Good point. But each type naturally finds certain functions more durable than others. For example, an SLE would be more resilient to overuse of Ni or Fe than an LSE would.

that's what i just fucking said.

[Ezra]

any function can be annoying when it's overused. it's the overuse that's annoying.

Good point. But each type naturally finds certain functions more durable than others. For example, an SLE would be more resilient to overuse of Ni or Fe than an LSE would.

that's what i just fucking said.

Sorry, I don't read properly; I skip over.

[Blaze]

hahahaha i do that too but only when it's a monster post.

[redbaron]

Probably or

[Megan]

I suppose maybe - I have my opinions of morality, they have their's. Why is their version any better? What right do they have to look at me like I'm a bad person? I judge other people just like the Fi people do, but somehow it irritates me when people try to shape my opinions on any issues - like how I should think of the homeless people and how I should feel bad for the less fortunate etc. Pffff... I do feel sorry for them, but I don't think they are equal. They aren't. Not equal on so many levels - like the homeless people who are not part of the society - why should I treat them like a normal part of the society. I treat them like humans and I ignore them most of the time, but I don't think they are equal, ok? Damn morals.

In what way are homeless people not equal to you Kristiina? And I also just do not understand how homeless people can be considered not part of society.

I find this post almost anti what ENFjs usually are in a way.

[Ms. Kensington]

excessive Si as in "why are you worried about missing that deadline? Relax, just relax, man"

lol!

[redbaron]

excessive Si as in "why are you worried about missing that deadline? Relax, just relax, man"

lol!

yeah that was pretty funny. I actually love it when people tell me to relax. Because that gives me license to let go of my worries and laugh at myself. I love

[munenori2]

Se, easily. It's just so frustrating and irritating to deal with, given that I have such little aptitude for it(beyond what I've managed to squeeze out of a continual attempt to develop it.) Se also seems like it forces things upon me without the right to do so.

I would second this thought. I'm no fan of being forced or, in the interests of treating others how I want to be treated, forcing others. People who exhibit this tendency to the point of tyranny are about the only people who I have no patience for. Se of course isn't by necessity tyrannical, but for some reason I've always perceived that as a trend. I'm probably just expressing a personal prejudice though.

[munenori2]

That's very interesting. Basically, Se types would have it that they and only they are making decisions about everything concerning themselves, and yet they have no regard whatsoever for the fact that others also have this basic right, on which they impede. It's the ultimate hypocricy.

talk about it. my mom is ESTp and all she did was imposing rules on me and exerting viscious forces to make me do things that she wanted me to do at the times she wanted me to do them. anything i needed to get done that would be a project she would try to take control of and coordinate my actions as she pleased. she just wouldn't understand i did not need her involvement. and you couldn't get out without spoiling a relationship.

Alright, maybe, just maybe, it isn't prejudice after all.

[XoX]

excessive Si as in "why are you worried about missing that deadline? Relax, just relax, man"

Ugh, yes. Having people tell me to relax generally has the opposite effect on me.

discojoe asked how ISTps supervise ENTjs. Perhaps this sums it up (at least one facet of it). I think ISTps pretty much dismiss ENTjs making a big deal out of things they see as small things or "business as usual". They just ignore it. The constant "hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry" mentality of ENTjs is foreign to ISTps who generally feel like they have everything under control, are doing productive stuff every day and "can handle it" without someone stressing out about it all the time. And ENTjs probably get annoyed about an ISTp who tells them to "relax, calm down, things will take care of themselves, it will be fine" when ENTj feels like they should push more instead of relax. It is almost impossible to "hurry" or "push" an ISTp this way. They do things at their own pace trusting they can handle it and bring out a positive end result and just ignore any attempt to affect them. This would likely make any ENxj type pull their hair out in the long run. Trying to move an immovable object is really frustrating.

[FDG]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

[XoX]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Relax man. It's not such a big deal.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[FDG]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Relax man. It's not such a big deal.

Yeah, I agree that most things in life aren't a big deal, making a big deal out of them is mostly out of fun...(ps. one of the ISTps I know is just the way you describe, another one though is pretty high strung, very fast and nervous driver...sometimes I am the one that tells him to relax because we're not going to an appointment, or to tell him he should drink less...kind of strange)

[XoX]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Relax man. It's not such a big deal.

Yeah, I agree that most things in life aren't a big deal, making a big deal out of them is mostly out of fun...(ps. one of the ISTps I know is just the way you describe, another one though is pretty high strung, very fast and nervous driver...sometimes I am the one that tells him to relax because we're not going to an appointment, or to tell him he should drink less...kind of strange)

I was kind of joking btw if it wasn't obvious.

[FDG]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Relax man. It's not such a big deal.

Yeah, I agree that most things in life aren't a big deal, making a big deal out of them is mostly out of fun...(ps. one of the ISTps I know is just the way you describe, another one though is pretty high strung, very fast and nervous driver...sometimes I am the one that tells him to relax because we're not going to an appointment, or to tell him he should drink less...kind of strange)

I was kind of joking btw if it wasn't obvious.

Sure it was, just prompted me into thinking

[XoX]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Relax man. It's not such a big deal.

Yeah, I agree that most things in life aren't a big deal, making a big deal out of them is mostly out of fun...(ps. one of the ISTps I know is just the way you describe, another one though is pretty high strung, very fast and nervous driver...sometimes I am the one that tells him to relax because we're not going to an appointment, or to tell him he should drink less...kind of strange)

I was kind of joking btw if it wasn't obvious.

Sure it was, just prompted me into thinking

That's good

[XoX]

excessive Si as in "why are you worried about missing that deadline? Relax, just relax, man"

Ugh, yes. Having people tell me to relax generally has the opposite effect on me.

"Stop making a scene and relax. It is just one deadline. We are making good progress."

[Ezra]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Fabio, I thought you said 7s can't represent the EJ temperament.

[FDG]

Well, seems like then we ENTjs only have to learn from ISTps.

Fabio, I thought you said 7s can't represent the EJ temperament.

I'm unsure. I might just be an outlier