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    Much of this may be muddled with non-type-related ideas and expressions, but I'd like to know how much of this guy's personality shows through. I've included quite a lot, so feel free to skim over it or pick and choose the ones that catch your eye.

    I already have an idea of his type, but I want to see how it matches up with yours or perhaps get some new insights.

    Sabbath (how I found God on His holy day)

    Today it rained and I drank tea and read a book. I found your rest there, Father. There was something utterly you about it. About being wrapped in the warmth of a blanket and warmed from within by the tea. There's something in being delighted by words strung together on a page and finding myself reflected in the characters. And, if it's an honest book, which it was, finding you. Even the rain was a beautiful thing. I've been waiting for it. It's so cleansing and refreshing and comforting. I find all those qualities in you, God. I thank thee.

    I talked for a long while with my very dear and close friend Hickory over the phone. We talk every Sunday. Thank you for that Sabbath sacrament, God. Today was special too, because it was my turn to listen and his to talk. It's usually the other way around. And we prayed together and stared into your face together. Lord, I thank thee.

    I had lunch with my family and the Hansons. I got to sit across from Matt too. I haven't seen him in a like two weeks. And when he's my best friend, that's a long time. We brought out old jokes which sounded great after a rest of two weeks. I'm so glad of friendship. I know you smiled on us, God. I thank thee.

    I hung out with my family this weekend. That was amazing. Today we just sat around the house and rested. Again, God, I found your rest in that. It permeated all of us. And we just enjoyed each other's company without saying much of having much loud noise. Just quiet enjoyment of each other. Lord, I thank thee.

    I sat in my RA's room and watched the crabs in his saltwater tank eat each other. it was so cool. I never liked biology all that much. But my RA's so into it that I get really excited to get into that stuff with him. It's great how people's passion for things rubs off. My friend Hickory was telling me that when I talk about music excitedly and with whatever knowledge of it I have, he gets excited even though it's not his passion. It's the same with him and film. I enjoy film but not to the extent Hickory does. But when he analyzes a film and gets excited about it, I can't help but be drawn in. I love the passions you've given people, God. Help me to explore the ones you've given me more deeply. I thank thee.

    I listened to sacred choral music and there went my room again. It was suddenly a sixteenth century cathedral. I'm grateful for liturgy, God. It's important sometimes. Help me never to get too caught up in it though. It's a good thing but it's always possible to have too much of a good thing. I like the Latin. It's a beautiful language. I find your beauty and power and awe-full-ness in liturgy like that. I thank thee. And I love thee.
    Today Was A Good Day Because...

    *It rained. The wonderful smells were released from the ground. There were beads of water on my window and I could hear the occasional slushing tires of cars rolling by. It was like the whole world was being saturated with the love of God.

    *I went for a walk in the woods. The leaves are beginning to turn and the rain seamed to speak as it passed through them.

    *I wore the most comfortable and warm clothes today. I wore my warm slippers instead of shoes, a sweatshirt and soft, loose jeans.

    *I had several cups of my favorite tea to warm me up in my dorm room as I listened to Celtic music, the Shadowlands soundtrack, Sufjan Stevens and Dave Matthews Band.

    *I got to talk to my dad and he helped me figure out my research paper. He's a genius; if you haven't met him, you should. And he changed my attitude about research - I ended up enjoying it! I love my daddy. He should write a book, I'd read it.

    *I was in the library, which happens to be a few steps away from my dorm building, for three hours researching. I was working on a paper for my Old Testament class. My topic is how God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:3 (through you I shall bless the nations) is realized in the person of Jesus Christ and in the role of Israel among the nations. It was awesome!

    *I got to talk to Foolish Knight. I love him. We talked about Sufjan Stevens and Till We Have Faces and Frederick Buechner and my writing and seeing God in everything. It was so encouraging and awesome.

    *I started a new book - The Count of Monte Cristo. I was going to read Godric but the library doesn't have it in. I'm excited about this one though.

    *I went to my RA's room and saw the end of my all time favorite film, Braveheart. I've seen it so many times, but every time I see it I find something new and meaningful. Speaking of seeing God in everything...

    *I had fish for dinner....Yum!

    *I did a Scottish jig to a Scottish tune with one of my floor mates in my room. I'm sure the people below me got a little frustrated.

    *Again, the rain...so restful.
    Work in Heaven?

    I've often heard the assertion made, both directly and indirectly, that a perfect reality does not include the act of work. Yet in Genesis 2:15 we find the words "The LORD God took man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it." We know that nothing bad comes from God, yet he created a world in which his people had much work. They were to care for the world! That's a lot of work. My mom has always said that work is a gift. (I wasn't sure I believed her. I suppose I always inherently knew it was true.) But in the past several years I've learned the value of work - head-splitting, back-breaking, mind-blowing, energy-draining work. There is nothing better that serving the LORD with all our strength and then resting in his pleasure. Artistic people are especially bad at this. We want only to create as we feel moved. But I've found that art, indeed even reading and singing and all my pleasures, require a great deal of work in order to experience the full joy for which I have been given such desires. Purposeful work is a gift and should be a pleasure rather than a dreary and humdrum trod. And thus, I can certainly hope that there is some form of work in Heaven.
    Perhaps we've got it all wrong

    [...]

    Personally, the closest thing I have found to real church is camp. Working at camp in the summer I found two things in particular that made that church so real. One, that we ate together. Two, staff meetings, our version a Sunday service. During staff meetings we would just sit and Joe the camp director would ask if anyone had any weekend stories or anything to share with the group. And sometimes we would read an epistle out loud and raise talk about what our favorite parts were. We would almost always sing songs, but not in the way we do at church. You know, how everyone feels awkward and feels obligated to sing but ashamed because the people onstage have good voices or they don't feel like standing or they don't know the words. We just sang. We did what scripture says to do when we meet and we sang psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. If someone wanted a specific song, they just started singing. No music, no guitars, no planning, just musical praise. If you didn't know a song, you just listened for God. We just gathered to focus on God, not each other, although that was certainly a byproduct, it was not our intention. Then we'd get in groups and pray... Just pray. No sermons, no discussion, just pray. Earnestly. Honestly. Sometimes a bat would fly into the room where we me; there was almost always a fire. People would draw as they listened to what other were saying. We would pass notes and grow in friendship. We would snuggle with our neighbor. There were about a hundred of us in there and we just all had the same focus. It was more refreshing than anything I can remember. Oh it was wonderful! When I go to college I want to start a Sunday morning church that is just exactly like that. That, I think, is how the Bible portrays church.
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    Lord when good things too become
    Idols and obstructive things
    Set me free that I may run
    Glad of what life lonely brings.
    Bring me ever solitude,
    Happy brothers you and I;
    At every rising sun renewed,
    Both ready new each day to die.

    And when the sky lays out the night,
    The stars and moon put on their best,
    We'll speak great things by firelight,
    Together here we'll truly rest.

    Then up again we rise at dawn
    and fix our eyes and venture on.

    You, God, are my company-
    My merry and advent'rous friend-
    So, Lord, for this take from me
    All things that keep me from this end.
    I Hope This Post Doesn't Bore You

    Today was a good day because...

    * I bought two new wonderful books last evening and began one of them. I find myself turning the pages before it is time; I have to keep my eyes from jumping ahead. Totally enraptured.
    * It rained today. But not the muddy, trudging, nothingness rain that sometimes comes in winter. Rather it was a spring rain. Everything is green and blooming. The world is bursting with life and it’s all being nourished with water. Not to mention the cold, crisp spring air that rises of the ground when it rains. Everything shimmers in the spring when it rains. It reminds me of the Wood Between the Worlds - “a rich place.” I love Oregon.
    * I walked into my room and turned on some good sacred choral music – really loud. Instantly my walls sped outward, my ceiling flew upward and arched over my head. Everything was stone. I found myself in a cathedral and was awestruck by the wonder and mystery of God (these were big focuses in the time period this particular music comes from.) Then I looked at my walls (which look like a forest) and I was in the middle of a rich forest and felt enveloped in the lushness of sound and sight. Very peaceful.
    * My mom bought some new tea (which we really needed). Well, she went crazy in a good way and bought the most wonderful kinds and lots of it. I am currently drinking Tazo Calm tea and it is fabulous. The back of the packet says, "A cup of Tazo Calm has been known to have the same effect as sitting for 45 minutes in a mountain meadow on a sunny day with your shoes off." I agree.
    * I watched I love Lucy. That woman was brilliant.
    * It was Senior Skip Day at school and for part of my new found time I went to a friend’s house and watched the new Pride and Prejudice while we made art with colored pencils and drank soda.
    * Rehearsal was great fun and I got to connect with some cast members I hadn’t really been able to yet.
    * I organized my books because there was no room for them on the shelves. So I found places for them and realized just how many books I have; that’s a wonderful thing.
    I spent time in peaceful communion with God. I have been refreshed by His presence. I have been inspired anew. I find that I have little or no inspiration when I am not close with my Father. When I am close to Him I find inspiration in abundance.

    It's good to be alive... really alive. Thank you, Christ, for the fullness of life.
    The Lecture

    (Note: Don't take this too seriously. It sounds a little cynical but it's all in good fun. Just take what you wish from it. Enjoy!)

    The Lecture

    Perhaps it was the pelting rain that drove people off the city sidewalks on this particular afternoon and into a large and crowded lecture hall. Whatever it was there were hundreds of men and women, young and old, seated snugly in the famous hall. On the stage was a man they all knew, though had never seen. They hung upon his every word as though his speech was their sustenance. Every listener had a notebook and pen but every page was blank. He enthralled them as a wizard casts a spell. “Listen...” Said the man, “do you hear it? Listen again.” Every listener strained to hear they knew not what but the heavy rain drowned out all noise. “Hear it? That magical, musical noise? Can you hear the rain?” Everyone felt rather foolish. Of course it was the rain! The man continued. “I enjoy rain very much. I find special meaning in it. You see, the rain reminds me of God’s mercies. They rain down upon us in infinite numbers. Each drop a blessing, an act of grace. I love the rain, but I hate…” everyone was caught in the suspense as he paused and descended from the stage. He walked halfway down the center aisle before spying a plump woman’s black umbrella, halting, and lifting it above his head for all to see. “These. Umbrellas to me are like sin. Standing in the rain of mercy I want to soak up God’s goodness. I want to be saturated with His grace and must therefore forsake my umbrella, forsake my sin. Only then can God truly cleanse me and only then can I truly love him. Thank you.” There was thunderous applause as a great many patrons rose from their seat with this, the lecture’s conclusion. However, though there was nothing left to hear, it took several hours for the hall to clear. The speaker was the last one to leave. He had greeted his audience and signed every book purchased and finally put on his overcoat and stepped out onto the sidewalk. “Drat!” he said. “Still raining.” He opened his umbrella and headed off down the street.
    Prayer

    C.S. Lewis once made this very wise statement : Prayer doesn't change God;it changes me. Although we sometimes give him a bit too much credit Lewis was a wise man and he seems to have hit the nail on the head. But I was thinking about this and I asked myself Is this REALLY true? or does it just sound good?
    When I was little (meaning not long ago) I believed my prayers could change God's mind. If I was sick and God had decided it was good for me to weather the sickness I believed that prayer would change that decision and He'd make me better faster. Then I came to believe exactly what Lewis said. My prayers couldn't change the will of God. Rather they make my will more like His. And this is true, at least to an extent.

    Now a lot of people, because they know me and how self righteous I can be, think that right now I am going to go into something that seems profound that will make me sound like C.S. Lewis but doesn't really mean much because I'm just saying something obvious in a smart sounding way. And I'm sure some justifiably think, again because you know me, that I already have some easy self-righteous answer to the question is it really true? But the truth is I don't. I don't know if this is true at all. It could be that Lewis was just trying to be profound. He did it occasionally. Why not this? See, my question is, if God has made up his mind, are we really going to change it?

    [...]
    Exploring Good and Evil, Injustice and Activism In all Corners of the Globe... At Barnes and Noble

    I went to Barnes and Noble today. There's a great big one near my house that I like to pretend I'm lost in. Today I found a bunch of great books. It started with this one by a kid, fifteen years old, who is an abolitionist the student leader of a group called Amazing Change inspired partly by the film Amazing Grace. He gave some startling facts about modern day slavery. Did you know there are more slaves in the world today than in the era of the European slave trade? Crazy. Anyway he speaks at conferences and leads seminars and works to inspire action in his generation. And here's the best part: he does it all because he wants to serve Christ through helping others.

    The next book of significance I read was a book about the Rwandan genocide. I'm reading it for my Holocaust and Genocide Studies class. It was pretty disheartening. But at the same time it wasn't. It's frustrating to discover all the injustice in the world, especially when the Bible tells us so many times to be a voice for the oppressed and reach out to the victims of injustice. But it was cool to see that something can be done and things are being done by people like the guy who wrote this book and the abolitionist kid and all these people who chose to do something about the things that make God weep. I'm inspired and excited to get further involved. Working in New Orleans over spring break also made me realize the injustices of the world that just seem so out of control. It was good to be able to do something to help on behalf of the victims of things God never wanted to happen. Now, when I say victims I don't mean the modern blame-placing definition of the word. I mean people who are actually, tragically oppressed. And there are far too many real victims out there.

    So then I saw all these books about politics and these hate books toward political and media figures. And all the books by these people just trying to sound smart. I thought what foolishness! This is not what really matters. It doesn't matter so much who caused the problem, it matters what we can do to help the victims of the problem. Let's just stop pointing fingers and do something! It was exciting to finally get this perspective because I've been so stressed and worried about what I'm going to do this summer and what about college and all this stuff. I've been asking God to give me a good perspective on things and He did! Strangely now I feel a great sense of peace even though I know about all these evils occurring in the world because I can see a clear purpose and I've stopped focusing on my measly problems- Finally!

    Anyway, I think it's very important we reach out to the victims of injustice and suffering around us and around the world. I'm certainly going to look for more opportunities to do so.
    All I have, I'm Leaving Here

    I don't know if you ever do this but I do it all the time. I tend to freak out about what I'm going to do in the future, with my life basically. I'm very passionate about the idea, at least when it's convenient, that there is not enough time in this life to be inactive or focused on myself. Therefore, I'm always so concerned about finding out what God wants me to do with my future. And then I realize that I've got it all flipped around. Life is the tiniest little hazy beginning of eternity. (A great deal of people, including myself, get stuck in stagnation by thinking life is a long stretch of time with Heaven at the end of it. The truth is Heaven is eternity with the smallest sliver of life at the beginning.) So when I think about it I realize that because I have so little time I need to stop freaking out about where God wants me and what He wants me to do and just do it; live, feel Him, let Him use me, listen to Him, find Him, obey Him, proclaim Him. That's where God wants me right now. We wants me, like it says in 2corinthians 4, to be a fragile clay jar holding the light. I don't have it together, I don't know what's coming and I'm very fragile, but Got just wants me to be empty of everything else so he can fit inside. That is where He wants me. In this little span of time called life, if my motives are always on God, I will always be acting within His will and doing what He wants me to do with my life. It really doesn't matter where I go to school, what I do for a living, where I live, as long as my motivation for everything is him. Now that is relieving thought.
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    Si Si Si Si Si Si Si

    And, guess what, more Si.

    Oh, and Fe.

    With Ti here and there.

    Alpha SF all over.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Si Si Si Si Si Si Si

    And, guess what, more Si.

    Oh, and Fe.

    With Ti here and there.

    Alpha SF all over.
    Yup. Didn't need more than the first 2 paragraphs.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    His writing reminds me of an (supposedly) ESTj guy I know, just that this guy I know is a lot more wordy (like an ESTj in general).


    Samples of the ESTj's writing:
    Just came back from a long long run with my brother... phew! Ran to [name of road] and back. Haven't run so far in ages; I'm thankful I was able to reach home!

    As I was plodding along, lungs heaving and legs aching, I was thinking to myself, this is so much like life isn't it. We are all runners in this long race that God has given us. At time we are deeply inspired from within and put on a powerful energetic burst. At other times we stop for a long well-deserved break to catch our breath and recuperate. At times people around us smile at us, encourage us or give us a drink, and we find new strength to press on. At times our energy has been nearly sapped dry and the most we can do is just force our screaming legs to push on, the only thing on our minds the next rest point or next drink. At some times we seem to be on cruise control, just gliding along and enjoying the beautiful scenery and fresh air around us. And at some times we catch a checkpoint in sight and with a sudden rush of adrenaline coursing through our veins we burst forward, the fatigue and agony forgotten.

    On this race of life God does not expect us to be supermen, for he did not create us so. He does not expect us to run every bit of the race at top speed with the wind blowing through our hair and our legs vigorously pumping away. He understands that as mere weak humans we go through seasons in life, seasons like those I have described above. Some seasons we are strong, some seasons we are weak. Some seasons we are inspired and motivates, other seasons we are tired and jaded. But through it all God only expects one thing of us-

    "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith..." Heb 12:1-2

    No matter what the season, all God wants us to do is to run with endurance, not giving up, never looking back, but just pressing on. He is the author and finisher of our faith; as long as we just hang in there and never give up, He will carry us through and bring us over the finishing. Wherever you are on the race of life, press on. The finishing line may be far away, but you WILL be there someday.
    Have you ever come to the point where you feel that things of life are so meaningless and pointless? That they seem to be bringing you nowhere except in a vicious circle that never ends? The very fact that you feel this in your heart means that deep inside your heart, you are longing for something more. Deep inside your heart there is the sense that you were made for a higher purpose, a higher calling. That my dear friends, is the Holy Spirit speaking to you... do not ignore it!

    Don't let it go! It is crucial that at this point, you begin to think and pray and reflect on what is that purpose. And it is no secret. It is God's purpose. God made you and put you here on this earth for a purpose. And if you feel restless and if you feel like everything in life is so meaningless, it is because you have yet to discover that beautiful purpose. God has brought you to this point where you are realising how futile and meaningless the things of this world are. Now it is time for you to take the next step that He wants you to take- to turn your mind and heart away from these things, and seek His purpose for your lives. Don't delay!!

    You may think, but I'm too busy, there are so many things in my life to be taken care of! My studies, my friends, my ECAs, my hobbies, my partying, my...... Allow me to share something from a book that I"m reading entitled The Purpose-Driven Life (and I would encourage you to find this book and read it)-

    "Living the rest of your life for God will require a change in your priorities, your schedule, your relationships, and everything else. It will sometimes mean choosing a difficult path instead of an easy one. Even Jesus struggled with this. Knowing he was about to be crucified, he cried out, 'My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Thy name.' "

    In reading this passage (John 12:23-28- go read it for yourself), do you see Jesus' sense of purpose and His determination to fulfill it at all costs? I think it is absolutely beautiful! He is the supreme example of what it means to live for God's purpose. Yes, you may think you are too busy, too bogged down, but if you want to live for Him, things must change! There is no two ways about it... things must change! And that is exactly what God wants to do- He wants to change and transform your life. If you will let Him, He will help you to make Him the centre, and teach you to order all the other things in your life around Him. He will be your supreme purpose. And suddenly when all the other things become part of that, they don't seem so meaningless anymore. In fact they become very meaningful. Doesn't that sound good to you? Reach out and take it!

    You may ask, so where do I start? How do I begin? Well even before we do anything on the outside, it begins with the heart. We have to come to the point where on the inside, in our heart of hearts, we say to the Lord, ' Father, I want to turn away from all the earthly things that have occupied my life and discover Your purpose for me, at all costs." Sound easy? But be honest and ask yourself, have I really come to this point? Am I really willing to give up all these earthly things to follow God? We have to be honest with ourselves. And if the answer is no, then we have no excuse. It is our fault that we are not discovering His purpose, not His fault.
    I pray that you will say that prayer with me. Don't just chuck this away into the corner of your mind, along with the hundred and one things you have to do. Because if you do that, then your life will simply continue in that vicious cycle and ultimately not go anywhere. Things will never change. You must take that step of faith eventually. And I am confident that once you have said that prayer with all your heart, God will show you the way. I guarantee it.

    Our Lord Jesus did it for you; will you do it for Him?
    Created to be Different?

    We live in an era where the traditional roles of men and women have become increasingly confused. In the workplace, women are taking up traditionally male-dominated jobs and excelling at them. We have seen the emergence of the strong-willed, independent career woman, able to rise up the corporate ladder as quickly as her male counterparts. More and more women are choosing their careers over their families, electing to marry later, have children later, or remain single. Women have replaced the men as the chief breadwinners in some families. Women all over the world, revelling in their freedom from years of oppression in society, are now celebrating the strength of the female gender, believing that whatever men can do, women can do too. And more than that, women’s rights activists push for equal rights for women in the workplace, believing that whatever man can do, women should be allowed to do too.

    This is a very sensitive topic that tends to provoke very strong reactions from either sex. The purpose of this article is to return to a biblical point of view- what does the Bible say about the role of men and women in life? Now having said that, many women fear what the Bible has to say because it is traditionally believed to portray women as the inferior sex, with less rights and smaller roles. But is that really what the Bible has to say? Let’s find out…

    We begin our search at Creation. The first account of the creation of man and woman is as follows-

    “Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Genesis 1:26-28

    What is significant here is that the first known command to work in the Bible was given not just to man, but to man and woman. It was a joint task that they had. Now we move to the second account-

    “Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him." Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.” Genesis 2:15-22

    Now what exactly does the word “helper”, or “help-meet” in the King James Version, mean? In Hebrew the word used is “ezer kenegdo”, a word that is in the worlds of Hebrew scholar Robert Altar, “notoriously difficult to translate”. Quoting from the book Captivating by John and Stasi Eldredge,

    “The word “ezer” is used only twenty other places in the entire Old Testament, and in every instance the person being described is God Himself, when you need him to come through for you desperately…Most of the contexts are life and death, by the way, and God is your only hope. Your ezer. If he is not there beside you… you are dead. A better translation therefore of ezer would be “lifesaver”. Kenegdo means alongside, or opposite to, a counterpart.”

    So from the first account we know that work was given to both man and woman, a joint task. From the second account we know that the first command was given to man, and then woman was created as an indispensable counterpart to man, one who would be there in his most desperate need, when his life itself was at risk, his only hope, his only support. Now let’s move on.

    After the Fall, God cursed the human race. It is important to note that he cursed man and woman differently-

    “To the woman He said:
    "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
    In pain you shall bring forth children;
    Your desire shall be for your husband,
    And he shall rule over you."

    Then to Adam He said,
    "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, "You shall not eat of it':
    "Cursed is the ground for your sake;
    In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life.
    Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
    And you shall eat the herb of the field.
    In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread,
    Till you return to the ground,
    For out of it you were taken;
    For dust you are, and to dust you shall return”.

    Genesis 3:16-19

    It is fascinating to see the nature of the curses- they were not just any other curses, but specifically tailored to the roles that God had given Man and Woman at Creation. Woman was cursed in her role of childbearing, that it would ever forth be painful; and more importantly, in her role as Man’s ezer-kenegdo. A friend of mine pointed out to me that the Hebrew word translated as “desire” in this passage is the same one used in Genesis 4:7, where God speaks to the angry Cain- “If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” The kind of desire it speaks of here is a desire to overwhelm, a desire to control, a desire to be master of and rule over. Woman was created to be Man’s counterpart, who would come to his rescue in his darkest hour of need; instead, she becomes his rival, wanting to control and rule over him.

    Similarly, Man was cursed in the role that was given to him primarily, and that is to “tend and keep” the Garden. Ever forth in his work of tending to nature and eating of its fruit, he would face extreme difficulty.

    So from the account of Creation we know that Man and Woman were given distinct and different roles. Man, to work the land and harvest its fruit; Woman, to be his counterpart, companion and support in the work, and to bear his children. From the Fall onwards both of them would face extreme difficulty in fulfilling their God-given roles, which is indeed what we see today, and will talk about later.

    We move forward now to the New Testament, to Paul’s exhortations to the Ephesians.

    “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be their own husbands in everything.

    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.”
    Ephesians 5:22-29

    Again here we see different roles for Man and Woman. But here the divine mystery deepens- for the first time in the Bible we see that the relationship between Man and Woman is but a foreshadowing, like the sacrifical lamb of the Old Testament, of something much greater to come- the relationship between Christ Himself and the Church. In Biblical times women had a much smaller role in the worship of God than men. They were not allowed to enter the Temple, they were not allowed to speak in the synagogues, they had to wear head coverings, and so forth. It was the men who took the lead. And here we begin to understand why- women were meant to be to men as the Church is to be to Christ- subject and submissive. To respect Christ’s words and commands, to listen and obey, to let Him take the lead.

    At the same time, Man too has a specific role, to be to his wife as Christ is to the Church. Christ “loved the church and gave Himself for her”, even His very life; in times of danger, men are called upon by God to be ready to give their very own lives to protect and save their wives. Christ sanctifies and cleanses the Church, and presents her as “glorious”, “holy and without blemish.” What a calling! In those times was given to men the task of leading the women in religious affairs, and along with that also the responsibility of sanctifying them and helping them to grow in Christ such that they may be “holy and without blemish”. Which also means that they themselves too must be likewise! That is the complete picture. Just as Christ our Lord “nourishes and cherishes” the Church, so men too are called to nourish and cherish their wives, never to take them for granted, but to love them as they love themselves.

    From the Old to the New Testament, can you now see how the different roles that God gave to Men and Woman were meant to compliment each other so perfectly? Because the relationship between Man and Woman is but a foreshadowing of the perfect relationship between the Church and Christ, the Bride and the Bridegroom spoken of in Revelation? But sadly we still live in a fallen world; the echoes of Eden are still heard today. Men and women are struggling to fulfil the roles that God gave them, and are straying from them.

    Mention the words “submit to your husband” and many women will flare up and get upset; “why should I have to submit? Do I have less rights as a woman? Was I created inferior to, weaker than man?” Women, instead of trying to support their husbands and be there in their time of need, sometimes end up competing with them, trying to outdo them. Many women have rejected their role as childbearers, choosing to focus on their careers. They believe that they deserve more than to just submit.

    Man is not doing much better. The curse of the Fall still holds true today- man faces a hard time bringing money home to support their families, in a competitive and unforgiving society and workplace- the modern parallel of Adam's task of working the land. They toil and sweat long hours at jobs that leave them physically and often emotionally drained, with little time and energy for anything else.

    And more importantly, instead of loving and cherishing and nourishing their wives, both in the physical and the emotional and spiritual, we see men abandoning them and leaving them to suffer. Instead of giving all that they have to protect and save their wives they often shun away when it comes to the crunch, leaving women lonely and torn. Instead of sanctifying their wives and helping them to grow in Christ, men themselves stray from Christ and commit adultery, wife abuse, and the like. And the women are left to fend for themselves. Some remain wounded and broken; some, in an effort to erase their past, try to be strong to face the world on their own, without men. But deep inside, many of them still tenderly nurse the wounds that never seem to heal.

    And we see the results in our very own society. On the outside we are a cohesive, prosperous nation. But just dig a little deeper and you will find that it is really a mess. Broken marriages, broken relationships, that crave for the strength, protection and faithfulness and the submission and support that men and women were made to offer to one another respectively. Children grow up secretly suffering from the lack of a godly father who not just loves and sanctifies the mother but also “brings them (the children) up in the training and admonition of the Lord.” (Eph. 6:4) They suffer from the loving touch that only a mother can offer; so many mothers are so caught up in their work that, like their husbands, they hardly have any time to spend with their children. And so the children are also left alone, left to face this cruel and dangerous world without much guidance and many of them end up lost and confused. The family unit is disintegrating, because men and women are not fulfilling their God-given roles.

    To both men and women I would say this- your roles have been given to you by God; do not reject them. He who gave them to you has also made and equipped you to carry out that role powerfully.

    To the women I would say this- do not give in to the ancient lie of Satan, that just because you have been given a different roles from men, the chief of them being to submit, does not mean that you are any lesser than man, that you are not equal with him in the eyes of God. In the Garden of Eden Satan lied to Eve, “You will not surely die.” But in doing so he was also tempting Eve to disobey the role given to her- to submit, to obey, not to take things into her own hands. “For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man…nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.” 1 Cor.11: 8-9,11. I believe with all my heart that the roles given to women are extremely noble and powerful ones. Remember that in Jesus’ earthly ministry, it was women who walked with him, supported him and took care of him as he walked from place to place, city to city. And it was to women that Jesus first appeared when He rose from the dead. Women are extremely precious, and indispensable in God’s plans. It takes great strength, courage and humility to fulfil your roles, especially in today’s society. And there is great healing and joy to be found when you do. I am not saying that every woman should leave her job and stay at home and look after the family. That is an unhealthy stereotype that we would do well to dismiss. Pray and seek the Lord, and discover between you and Him, how you can fulfil your roles in your own life in your own special way, with what God has given you. And you are certainly not lesser than man; “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Gal 3:28. Does God love women less than man? Certainly not!

    To the man I would say this- you have a very high calling, an immense responsibility, to be to your wife as Christ is to the Church. Do not be passive, do not neglect that role; remember that when Satan tempted Eve and Eve eventually gave in and took the fruit, Adam was standing right beside her. And he did nothing. “She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.” Genesis 3:6. He did nothing to sanctify her with the truth of God, to remind her of what was right, and he himself did what was wrong. People think that in today’s modern society, men are become weaker and being challenged by women. I say to you, embrace the strength that God has given you and fulfil your role. The world- and women- are desperately in need of such men, who will be strong for them, who they can depend on and trust, who themselves being “holy and without blemish” will help them to grow likewise, who will be worthy of respect and submission. Men who will be living examples of what Christ is to the Church and hence shine His light forth.

    And to both men and women I say finally- you were created to be different, you were given different roles. And it is when you both faithfully carry out those roles, with the help and grace of God, that we will see the touch of God on earth. “If the foot should say, ‘Because I am not of the hand, I am not of the body,’ is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.” 1 Cor 12:15-18. I believe with all my heart that the roles are not there to restrict us; we were made and wired for those roles. And in fulfilling them, we will find the glorious freedom and joy of becoming who God made and always intended us to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Si Si Si Si Si Si Si

    And, guess what, more Si.

    Oh, and Fe.

    With Ti here and there.

    Alpha SF all over.
    Yup. Didn't need more than the first 2 paragraphs.
    Ok, so much for new insights. Thanks, guys.

    I described him here once before, so it's nice to know that my descriptions match up reasonably well with how he comes across himself.



    @ eunice - The similarities that you're focusing on seem to be mainly non-type-related, though I'm glad you're interested in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde
    I described him here once before, so it's nice to know that my descriptions match up reasonably well with how he comes across himself.
    Is he the long-haired blond guy who sings and plays a pirate? I forgot how you called him.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Is he the long-haired blond guy who sings and plays a pirate? I forgot how you called him.
    Ben, yes. Very good! How did you remember?


    Just for fun, here's him doing a "dramatic reading" of an allegory (that I think he wrote):
    [spoil:373af774eb][stream:373af774eb]http://fidgit.podbean.com/medias/web/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhMS5wb2RiZWFuLmNvbS9wb2RjYXN0LWJsb2 ctYXVkaW8tdmlkZW8tbWVkaWEtZmlsZXMvYmxvZ3MvODgyMC91 cGxvYWRzL2FsbGVnb3J5My5tNGE/allegory3.m4a[/stream:373af774eb][/spoil:373af774eb]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Is he the long-haired blond guy who sings and plays a pirate? I forgot how you called him.
    Ben, yes. Very good! How did you remember?
    Although I said "Alpha SF", my first thought was ISFp, and he was the only ISFp among your friends, at least as far as I could recall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Minde
    Just for fun, here's him doing a "dramatic reading" of an allegory (that I think he wrote):
    [spoil:9c1d6d45e7][stream:9c1d6d45e7]http://fidgit.podbean.com/medias/web/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhMS5wb2RiZWFuLmNvbS9wb2RjYXN0LWJsb2 ctYXVkaW8tdmlkZW8tbWVkaWEtZmlsZXMvYmxvZ3MvODgyMC91 cGxvYWRzL2FsbGVnb3J5My5tNGE/allegory3.m4a[/stream:9c1d6d45e7][/spoil:9c1d6d45e7]
    Not working, at least for me.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Not working, at least for me.
    Ah, well, it wasn't important - but, nonetheless, worth a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr
    This person's writing scares me.... but it reminds me of how my brother's wife acts...

    Why does this guy thank God for everything, I don't know.. but getting into the writings of religious folks like this really makes me scared of em. It's like peeking at insanity for me.
    Hm, a totally alien way of thinking to you? I can understand, then, how it might be frightening and even repulsive.

    I find him one of the least scary people I know. It makes me happy to be around him and people like him. All the time might be a bit much, but short, strong doses keep my soul refreshed, so to speak. I like the emphasis on rejoicing in the beauty and wonder of God's creation, as well as the freedom and ability to easily wander off into such subjects.
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    Another comment on this - which some people here should (but probably won't) take note of.

    Previously, Minde posted a detailed description of this guy, from her PoV, together with a couple of videos - that is, describing his behavior. From that, I had typed him as ISFp. He was just one among several friends that Minde had described here.

    Then, some time later, she posted the guy's own writings. He wasn't trying to describe himself - he was spontaneously writing about matters, thoughts, observations and emotions of interest to him.

    And, very easily, Gilly and myself reached the correct answer, Alpha SF (and ISFp was more likely than ESFj).

    Coincidence? I very much doubt it.

    The point is -- it is perfectly possible, and sometimes very easy, to type someone from what they're writing, even if they're not describing themselves. It's possible to see which functions they prefer to use, that they are more comfortable using, which are their values. It's not so possible to see the 4 dichotomies.

    And what if Ben himself had read socionics descriptions and said that he thinks he's ISTp or whatever? I'd still be inclined to think that ISFp is the correct typing, and that he's got the types wrong - unless he could explain to me, in socionics terms, why is it that he's ISTp and not ISFp.
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    Sabbath (how I found God on His holy day)

    Today it rained and I drank tea and read a book. I found your rest there, Father. There was something utterly you about it. About being wrapped in the warmth of a blanket and warmed from within by the tea. There's something in being delighted by words strung together on a page and finding myself reflected in the characters. And, if it's an honest book, which it was, finding you. Even the rain was a beautiful thing. I've been waiting for it. It's so cleansing and refreshing and comforting. I find all those qualities in you, God. I thank thee.

    I talked for a long while with my very dear and close friend Hickory over the phone. We talk every Sunday. Thank you for that Sabbath sacrament, God. Today was special too, because it was my turn to listen and his to talk. It's usually the other way around. And we prayed together and stared into your face together. Lord, I thank thee.

    I had lunch with my family and the Hansons. I got to sit across from Matt too. I haven't seen him in a like two weeks. And when he's my best friend, that's a long time. We brought out old jokes which sounded great after a rest of two weeks. I'm so glad of friendship. I know you smiled on us, God. I thank thee.

    I hung out with my family this weekend. That was amazing. Today we just sat around the house and rested. Again, God, I found your rest in that. It permeated all of us. And we just enjoyed each other's company without saying much of having much loud noise. Just quiet enjoyment of each other. Lord, I thank thee.

    I sat in my RA's room and watched the crabs in his saltwater tank eat each other. it was so cool. I never liked biology all that much. But my RA's so into it that I get really excited to get into that stuff with him. It's great how people's passion for things rubs off. My friend Hickory was telling me that when I talk about music excitedly and with whatever knowledge of it I have, he gets excited even though it's not his passion. It's the same with him and film. I enjoy film but not to the extent Hickory does. But when he analyzes a film and gets excited about it, I can't help but be drawn in. I love the passions you've given people, God. Help me to explore the ones you've given me more deeply. I thank thee.

    I listened to sacred choral music and there went my room again. It was suddenly a sixteenth century cathedral. I'm grateful for liturgy, God. It's important sometimes. Help me never to get too caught up in it though. It's a good thing but it's always possible to have too much of a good thing. I like the Latin. It's a beautiful language. I find your beauty and power and awe-full-ness in liturgy like that. I thank thee. And I love thee.
    This writing style is just like that of my ISFp friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde
    @ eunice - The similarities that you're focusing on seem to be mainly non-type-related, though I'm glad you're interested in it.
    I posted it earlier on with the intention to show that it is type-related ( ), just that my acquaintance's were more factual and instructional.

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    Both.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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