In Yourself:
Ti-2nd Function
Fe-6th Function
Te-8th Function
Ne-1st Function
Se-3rd Function
Si- 5th Function
Ni- 7th Function
Fi- 4th Function
In Others:
Fe
Ne
Si
Ti
Fi
Te
Se
Ni
Combining these I get:
Fe
Ti
Ne
Si/Te Tie
Se
Fi
Ni
Rank how you value the functions?
In Yourself:
Ti-2nd Function
Fe-6th Function
Te-8th Function
Ne-1st Function
Se-3rd Function
Si- 5th Function
Ni- 7th Function
Fi- 4th Function
In Others:
Fe
Ne
Si
Ti
Fi
Te
Se
Ni
Combining these I get:
Fe
Ti
Ne
Si/Te Tie
Se
Fi
Ni
Suomea
overall:
Fi
Ni
Te
Se
Ne
Ti
Si
Fe
(It was tough to rank the top 4, btw.)
In others:
Fi
Se
Te
Ni
Ne
Si
Ti
Fe
Te
Ni
Ne
Ti
Se
Si
Fi
Fe
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
In myself:
Ni
Te
Fi/Se (can't pick)
Ti/Fe (can't pick)
Ne
Si
It was tough to rank the top two.
You do realize that the following appear quite Se, right? (More specifically, Se + Ti.)
Originally Posted by WARLORD
It's just a sig and an avatar.You do realize that the following appear quite Se, right? (More specifically, Se + Ti.)
The sigsure, but
no. But it can be intrepreted as
too, as it's mostly an abstract statement, rather the person describing what he will actually do. The person is rather in command than the person doing the deeds.
The avatar is more
And testosteron levels aren't type related
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
It's not so much that I see Ti... more so a lack of Fi.It's just a sig and an avatar.You do realize that the following appear quite Se, right? (More specifically, Se + Ti.)
The sig
The avatar is more
how does one rate the functions by order of preference (at least for your own quadra)? you can't have any of your quadra functions without the others.
I was thinking that, too. That's why they were so hard to rank. I see Te and Fi as two sides of the same coin. Same with Ni and Se.
Why is it more lacking in Fi than Fe? I thought it was more lacking in Fe.
Well it's lack, but even more so devaluing
. As he sees people who express their grief worthless.
If it really was a "beta quadra"-stament, it would more likely have something about ravaging the women.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
Overall:
Fe
Si
Ti
Ne
Te
Se
Fi
Ni
In others:
Fe
Si
Ne
Ti
Ni
Fi
Te
Se
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Overall:
Ti
Se
Ne
Fe
Ni
Fi
Te
Si
In others:
Fe
Ni
Se
Ti
Si
Fi
Te
Ne
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
It's a signatureIt's not so much that I see Ti... more so a lack of Fi.It's just a sig and an avatar.You do realize that the following appear quite Se, right? (More specifically, Se + Ti.)
The sig
The avatar is moreDo you remember when I put as avatar a teddy bear?
Personally I don't have a clue on what I value. I'm not even sure my understanding of the functions is completely correct, and if it isn't absolutely correct, I can't make a list.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Overall:
Fi
Se
Te
Ni
Fe
Si
Ne
Ti
In others:
Te
Ni
Fi
Si
Se
Fe
Ti
Ne
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
.
Just because something is "emotion" doesn't make it automatically Fe. Any type would grieve over the death of a loved one. Saying that you enjoy making people lose a loved one, however, I would definitely say is lack of valuing Fi. It may also show weak Fe (depending on the person), but it's still Ti/Fe > Fi/Te. Of course, you're free to disagree... This may make an interesting topic. Perhaps I should post one. Later.
In me:
Te
Se
Si
Ti
Fi
Ne
Ni
Fe
In others:
Te
Fi
Si
Ni
Fe
Ne
Ti
Se
you've got to be kidding me
But like. Nobody likes to make people grieve over others death, unless he's a sociopath, irregardless of functional preference. If somebody puts some random sentence on a forum that doesn't mean he's seriously speaking about what he likes to do in the real world
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Stop being so overly dramatic, Joy. That's all I get from you; dramatism. You're clearly not Gamma - no Gamma is as dramatic as you are. And what kind of 8w7 experiences doubt and hesitation frequently and needs to be pushed in the direction they've chosen?you've got to be kidding me
No, I don't believe that. I never said that certain types are more likely than others to make people lose loved ones. I was speaking of saying that you enjoy making people lose loved ones and their subsequent grief (that it's "the best in life" even) is more likely a weak, unvalued Fi thing than a a weak, unvalued Fe thing. Keep in mind that we're talking about Fi/Ti + Se here.
Now you're just trying to start an argument. You know damn well that I disagree that LIE's "experience doubt and hesitation frequently and need to be pushed in the direction they've chosen". (And it's not even in the wiki anymore.) I hate to disappoint, but I can't discuss this with you any further right now as I have to get ready for and go on an inspection now.Stop being so overly dramatic, Joy. That's all I get from you; dramatism. You're clearly not Gamma - no Gamma is as dramatic as you are. And what kind of 8w7 experiences doubt and hesitation frequently and needs to be pushed in the direction they've chosen?you've got to be kidding me
And if you don't think I'm Gamma, what quadra are you suggesting?
Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It's not about whether or not he means it. It's about the fact that he felt inclined to say it at all. And I'm not trying to say he definitely is or isn't a particular type... just that his avatar and sig much more closely match something a SLE/LSI would be attracted to than something an ILI would be attracted to.Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
Then you fail to understand Se HA. It is weak, you cannot deny that. Yes, you value it if you are LIE, but it will never be as strong in you as it is in an 8 (especially an 8w7) or an SLE, LSI, LSE or ESE. 8s must have strong Se by definition; preferably in the Ego, and if not, necessarily in the Id. SLEs and LSIs are the most likely candidates for 8s. 8w7s technically can only be SLEs, because both their behaviour and functional ordering matches. Perhaps female 8w7s can be ESEs; I don't know. 8w9s can be LSIs and LSEs.
To you, yes. To me, no. I'm not suggesting a quadra.I'm very clearly Gamma
This discussion is silly imo.
The present quote in the wiki is thus:
The phrasing can be improved - suggestions will be welcomed - but what this actually means is the LIE who knows something has to be done, and why, and will do it, but gets on occasion too caught on Ni and needs a Se push from the ESI, as in "shouldn't you do it now?" and the LIE, "yeah I should, you're right" (and really agreeing and wanting to do it).LIEs actively pursue their external goals, to the sacrifice of their immediate considerations of comfort, but regularly experience periods of hesitation where they need prodding, a strong push, or forceful support from others to continue onward in the direction they have chosen
That's all it means, and that's why the LIE has Se in the super-id. Perhaps instead of "hesitation" we can say "procrastination".
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
It's not about whether or not he means it. It's about the fact that he felt inclined to say it at all. And I'm not trying to say he definitely is or isn't a particular type... just that his avatar and sig much more closely match something a SLE/LSI would be attracted to than something an ILI would be attracted to.Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
Ever been in a group of metallers/death metallers/etc etc? Most of them are ST's and NF's of both quadras...I mean, I would only like you to speak with experience of what you talk about instead of talking out of your ass. Do I ask for much? I even know an ISFj that likes to wear leather jackets and boots and listen to hard metal that talks about brutalizing girls, not to mention that dj often jokes about that stuff on the forum (and it's very recognizable that he's joking)...basically with this you're contradicting so much stuff that it's hard to take you seriously.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
OH MY FUCKING GOD. You understand Betas for shit. That little avatar thing he's got is shit. Conan the fucking Barbarian? Come off it. I would never have that as my avatar.It's not about whether or not he means it. It's about the fact that he felt inclined to say it at all. And I'm not trying to say he definitely is or isn't a particular type... just that his avatar and sig much more closely match something a SLE/LSI would be attracted to than something an ILI would be attracted to.Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
They may be dark and listen to aggressive music, but do all of them hold such an interest in the TYPE of aggression depicted in that avatar? Don't bother answering. I think it's time to agree to disagree.It's not about whether or not he means it. It's about the fact that he felt inclined to say it at all. And I'm not trying to say he definitely is or isn't a particular type... just that his avatar and sig much more closely match something a SLE/LSI would be attracted to than something an ILI would be attracted to.Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
Ever been in a group of metallers/death metallers/etc etc? Most of them are ST's and NF's of both quadras...I mean, I would only like you to speak with experience of what you talk about instead of talking out of your ass. Do I ask for much?
Don't tell me what to do.They may be dark and listen to aggressive music, but do all of them hold such an interest in the TYPE of aggression depicted in that avatar? Don't bother answering. I think it's time to agree to disagree.It's not about whether or not he means it. It's about the fact that he felt inclined to say it at all. And I'm not trying to say he definitely is or isn't a particular type... just that his avatar and sig much more closely match something a SLE/LSI would be attracted to than something an ILI would be attracted to.Look. Do you think Warlord is serious? Do you think all the metalheads that write that kind of stuff are serious? You never said that, but your stance implied what I said, logically. I know it's not your method to check for logical consistency of your claims, but hey...
Ever been in a group of metallers/death metallers/etc etc? Most of them are ST's and NF's of both quadras...I mean, I would only like you to speak with experience of what you talk about instead of talking out of your ass. Do I ask for much?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I refuse to argue this with you as it will go nowhere, and even if it does you will inevitably forget this discussion entirely and go back to saying the same stupid shit about how Si types can be 8's and intuitive types can't.Then you fail to understand Se HA. It is weak, you cannot deny that. Yes, you value it if you are LIE, but it will never be as strong in you as it is in an 8 (especially an 8w7) or an SLE, LSI, LSE or ESE. 8s must have strong Se by definition; preferably in the Ego, and if not, necessarily in the Id. SLEs and LSIs are the most likely candidates for 8s. 8w7s technically can only be SLEs, because both their behaviour and functional ordering matches. Perhaps female 8w7s can be ESEs; I don't know. 8w9s can be LSIs and LSEs.
To you, yes. To me, no. I'm not suggesting a quadra.I'm very clearly Gamma
Does this sound more like an 8?
The things it says about thinking they can put forth more effort than they can doesn't mean that they appear or are weak/hesitant/doubtful, btw, or that they don't accomplish their goals. On the contrary, they put forth far more energy/effort towards their goals than most people do (that's the problem
That's called rhetoric, Joy.
You can't deny that LIEs have weak motivation, and ESIs are those that provide it for them. LIEs don't have strong Se; 8s do. Face the facts.
Oh c'mon, why this absolutistic stance? LIEs can totally be motivated, the doubts and hesistations are episodic, not ever-present!
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
But basically, they are frequent. Of course 8s experience doubt and hesitation, but this is so rare it's not even worth mentioning. For LIEs, on the other hand, this kind of thing is worth mentioning in that they're somewhat inept in dealing with Se-matters. This is in direct conflict with the 8, who is a master of Se, regardless of wing and variant.Oh c'mon, why this absolutistic stance? LIEs can totally be motivated, the doubts and hesistations are episodic, not ever-present!
Episodic does not mean frequent. We have to define a time frame, otherwise we can't come to a conclusion on the matter. Have you observed empirically frequent moments of doubts in LIEs? Or occasional? Moreover, can't disintegration to 5 explain these episodes?But basically, they are frequent. Of course 8s experience doubt and hesitation, but this is so rare it's not even worth mentioning. For LIEs, on the other hand, this kind of thing is worth mentioning in that they're somewhat inept in dealing with Se-matters. This is in direct conflict with the 8, who is a master of Se, regardless of wing and variant.Oh c'mon, why this absolutistic stance? LIEs can totally be motivated, the doubts and hesistations are episodic, not ever-present!
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Wait, when did Super-Id Se become a correlating factor between Socionics types and Enneagram type 8?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Hehe how I ended up with the avatar and sig was just a series of random associations. It could have been anything.
But if it provokes some thought, all the better.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
I can certainly accept that, but what about your screen name?
For god's sake, doubt and hesitation are not typical LIE qualities. Why do you think they are? Also, LIE's are among the most motivated of types. Few types accomplish as much as the typical LIE does in their lifetime (in terms of finances/business that is), and their overall long term success is fueled by their need for freedom and independence. Does that not matter?But basically, they are frequent. Of course 8s experience doubt and hesitation, but this is so rare it's not even worth mentioning. For LIEs, on the other hand, this kind of thing is worth mentioning in that they're somewhat inept in dealing with Se-matters. This is in direct conflict with the 8, who is a master of Se, regardless of wing and variant.Oh c'mon, why this absolutistic stance? LIEs can totally be motivated, the doubts and hesistations are episodic, not ever-present!
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