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    He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher’s forehead.
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher’s forehead.
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?
    I'm generally very laid back. That sentence seems to describe me on a very bad day when I'm feeling defensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?
    No. If being laid back is one of your most obvious characteristics, you are most likely not an LII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?
    No. If being laid back is one of your most obvious characteristics, you are most likely not an LII.
    I disagree. We're stoic Fi's combined with Fe seeking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carla
    I guess I can look pretty uncompromising and stubborn, with arms folded and such, if I don't agree with someone's idea; but at heart I'm not really like that. (In my head, I can be like it though .)
    I appear this way 100% during class, being indifferent to the topic and preferring independent study makes me look psycho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?
    No. If being laid back is one of your most obvious characteristics, you are most likely not an LII.
    I disagree. We're stoic Fi's combined with Fe seeking.
    Irrelevant. INTjs are not laid back, not in the usual sense of the word anyway. And if there is another sense in which some of them can be seen as laid back, such a trait is certainly not common among INTjs. INTjs are calm -- but not laid back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
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    Quote Originally Posted by intjguy
    Being "laid back" is pretty much all I'm known for. Does this apply to all LIIs?
    No. If being laid back is one of your most obvious characteristics, you are most likely not an LII.
    I disagree. We're stoic Fi's combined with Fe seeking.
    Irrelevant. INTjs are not laid back, not in the usual sense of the word anyway. And if there is another sense in which some of them can be seen as laid back, such a trait is certainly not common among INTjs. INTjs are calm -- but not laid back.
    Then how would you describe the "usual sense of the word" for laid back?
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    Another testament to my peculiar quarter-life change. I used to be quite intimidating this way, very very stubborn. Now I just think it's not worth the Se pressure to argue everything. Though, some people have said they think I'm intimidating but only because i don't smile all the time.

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    Merry + Reasonable (Alpha) pretty much qualifies any person for being called laid-back in my opinion... Sigh; just confusion over a word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat
    Merry + Reasonable (Alpha) pretty much qualifies any person for being called laid-back in my opinion... Sigh; just confusion over a word.
    It seems like a lot of arguments devolve into semantics. Starting with definitions is usually a good way to avoid that pitfall. I do agree that INTJs (relating to my brother here) can be laid back. However, I also remember plenty of times in our younger days when my brother would confrontationally probe everyone else with endless questions (frequently from the Devil's Advocate side just to get things going) and it would carry on until my sister would start screaming at him to shut up (seriously, she would sink into an almost primal rage). Still, he seemed to enjoy it immensely and usually could (and always would if he found them) point out inconsistencies in whatever was said, which was what I think drove my sisters up the wall the most. Out of all of us, I was the most patient with him, maybe because I could hang the best with his style and his brilliance (both of us pretty effortlessly made the cutoff for the Talented-And-Gifted program at our school. My brother tested at 146, a few points more than me). Still, he would almost always 'beat' me with this or that logical point. I have to say though, I learned more from discussing things with my brother than I have from most any of my teachers.
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    I tend to see people on a scale from extremely serious to extremely laid-back, and I think I adjust my behaviour accordingly - but I think I find it easier for me to be serious than laid-back - it is safer ground for me. When I play Devil's Advocate, I can be very serious or very laid-back - it depends on who I'm arguing with. I tend to exaggerate and use reductio ad absurdums even about things I take very seriously - I don't expect people to initially understand the finer points of things, so I might appear laid-back in this way, when trying to find some common ground. Appearing laid-back is also my safety net - if someone proves me wrong, or doesn't like my argument, I can immediately start talking about the relevance of jelly babies or something.
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    jelly babies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Then how would you describe the "usual sense of the word" for laid back?
    It all comes down to the fundamental general differences between rationals and irrationals. If you truly understand it, you can literally see, hear, and feel the differences in every real life person you meet. The differences between rationals and irrationals have been described by numerous socionists, and also by MBTI theorists. Rick's list on observable features is a good start.

    To be "laid back" means (among other things) that you tend not to worry so much. Rational types -- every one of them -- are generally more worried. Rational types can be calm, but they are not as relaxed as irrational types. This is an observable difference between them, and that difference is felt when you interact with them. Rational types (including LIIs) tend to stress more than irrational types.

    So, the term "laid back" is clearly misleading when applied to LIIs. As I have already said, LIIs are calm, but they are not relaxed, and they worry more than a typical irrational type. ILIs are laid back, LIIs are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    If you truly understand it, you can literally [...] feel the differences in every real life person you meet.
    O RLY?
    Yes, of course. It's an intuitive impression of the person's type, and when it comes to the differences between rationals and irrationals, you can often be certain of it. Some of you on this forum don't seem to be that much acquainted with real life examples of the types. That's bad, because it is necessary if you want to get the types right and be able to spot them in an instant or close to that.

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