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    I've heard in a few places that, according to Socionics, ENTP is the most common type. This confused me greatly because according to MBTI (which I'm more familiar with), ENTP is one of the rarest (I think third rarest; not positive) types. Is there a reason for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    I've heard in a few places that, according to Socionics, ENTP is the most common type. This confused me greatly because according to MBTI (which I'm more familiar with), ENTP is one of the rarest (I think third rarest; not positive) types. Is there a reason for this?
    .. not only socioncs.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrainTypes.com
    ..the more BTI researches the 16 BTs, it is realizing there are more FCIRs [ENTPs in MBTI or ILEs in socionics] in the world than any other innate design.
    I find it interesting that socionics and BrainTypes come from to seperate corners of the world, but have realzied that same conclusion.


    ... and every MBTI distribution figure is made up....
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    Come to think of it, I do actually know lots of ILEs. Interesting.
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    I see Sj and Sp types everywhere. I don't know about ENTps being the most common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan.
    I see Sj and Sp types everywhere. I don't know about ENTps being the most common.
    .. I see them everywhere. That's why I found comfort in knowing that both Socionics and BrainTypes say that they are the most common type. I used to think I was crazy because I was seeing too many ILEs.
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    Rocky would you direct me to where on Brain Types they said that ENTp is the most common type?

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    The thing is, I'm almost positive that I only know one other ENTP. I'm sure if they were the most common type (which I'm highly doubtful of) that, even with my stringent standards for what I would call an NT, I would know at least four or five. At least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    The thing is, I'm almost positive that I only know one other ENTP. I'm sure if they were the most common type (which I'm highly doubtful of) that, even with my stringent standards for what I would call an NT, I would know at least four or five. At least.
    You probably know more than one. They can have various diffrent personalities. Why are you positive that you know only one? Maybe you need to broaden your perception on what an ILE is.
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    Rocky regarding the issue, this is what I "got" from the two sites you posted.

    The ENTP is the most common quarterback in the NFL.

    So, this is basically saying that in the NFL, the ENTP is one of the most common types of quarterback. It does not actually say how commonly ENTps are found in other positions besides quarterback in the NFL or how many ENTps are to be found in the general population outside the NFL.

    Yet the more BTI researches the 16 BTs, it is realizing there are more FCIRs(ENTPs) in the world than any other innate design.

    There is an implication here that they have not concluded research(hence the use of the word realizing). How can they make such a statement that the ENTP is most common if the have not finished collecting evidence?
    They have lost quite a lot of credibility in my mind by issueing such information prematurely.

    I just do not believe that ENTps are very common myself. I think the world would be a very different place if they were the most common type. If they are, I think I will be making arrangements to move to another galaxy far far away:wink: .

    I am speculating, but it seems to me that society needs a lot of Sj types moreso than any other to hold society together.

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    Hey, that article said that there's many many more ILEs than SLEs. What do you think about that, Rocky?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    ...Maybe you need to broaden your perception on what an ILE is.
    @ Rocky

    Would you expand on how to broaden perception of what an ILE is? Is there some factor being prejudically included or excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    The ENTP is the most common quarterback in the NFL.

    So, this is basically saying that in the NFL, the ENTP is one of the most common types of quarterback. It does not actually say how commonly ENTps are found in other positions besides quarterback in the NFL or how many ENTps are to be found in the general population outside the NFL.
    .. they also said that there were a lot more ENTPs than ESTPs walking around on a whole (which is diffrent from what most MBTI stats would say).

    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    Yet the more BTI researches the 16 BTs, it is realizing there are more FCIRs(ENTPs) in the world than any other innate design.

    There is an implication here that they have not concluded research(hence the use of the word realizing). How can they make such a statement that the ENTP is most common if the have not finished collecting evidence?
    They have lost quite a lot of credibility in my mind by issueing such information prematurely.
    I don't know how it is really possible to conduct a true "study" on types-population. What I do know is they have been claiming to asses people for over 30 years now. Jon N also gets hired to type thousands of people each year. Don't you think that they would be able to notice a trend? If they starting seeing ENTPs pop up more often then other types on a consistant basis, you don't think that has some credability?

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    Hey, that article said that there's many many more ILEs than SLEs. What do you think about that, Rocky?
    ... probably true...

    @ Rocky

    Would you expand on how to broaden perception of what an ILE is? Is there some factor being prejudically included or excluded.
    One thing is that people seem to have this ideal of what someone of one type should be, without realizing that people in the same type can act very diffrent. For one, I think some ENTPs can be confused for sensors. Even at ENTP.org, some of them deny people like Snoop Dogg and Will Smith as being ENTP... they think that people like that are more "SP" types when, really, it's just more of an image. I know one ILE guy who reminds me a lot of Will Smith. But then I know other ILEs who aren't percieved as that "cool", and maybe focus more on school (more of the nerdy kind). Some ILEs can be more of the aggessive, George Carlin type (Se subtypes?). I've seen these ILEs talk more about sex, etc.. and push more of the tough Se at you (I think this can happen with the role funciton). I even know one ILE who I played baseball with and was a real hothead. I actually thought he was SLE (SeTi) at first, but no go for that one. He even looks very, very much like pitcher Roy Oswalt, who was typed as another ENTP in that link. Anyway, that's a start, but I think you get the idea...

    EDIT: And, yeah, some of them can be confused for feelers, too. Those are the more Jon Stewart/ Robin Williams types. Probably has something to do with the hidden agenda. Also, some ILEs are quite, so they maybe considered introverts.
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    @Rocky
    .. they also said that there were a lot more ENTPs than ESTPs walking around on a whole (which is diffrent from what most MBTI stats would say).
    Yes, but like I said before the evidence just does not seem to be there to fully support that theory yet.


    I don't know how it is really possible to conduct a true "study" on types-population. What I do know is they have been claiming to asses people for over 30 years now. Jon N also gets hired to type thousands of people each year. Don't you think that they would be able to notice a trend? If they starting seeing ENTPs pop up more often then other types on a consistant basis, you don't think that has some credability?

    Actually I think it is quite possible to conduct a study of the number of types in the population. However, I better system for type identifcation may be needed.
    Also, the Brain Types researchers might have identified trends but I would not come to any final conclusions based on just the trends. Trends may point towards a phenomena, but they don't confirm its existence exactly.



    [quote="Herzblut"]Hey, that article said that there's many many more ILEs than SLEs. What do you think about that, Rocky?

    ... probably true...


    I say probably not true


    I also agree with you that Will Smith is an ENTp, I have thought that for a long time now.
    I think he was on his way to M.I.T (or some such place)when his music career beckoned.

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    There is no way that ENTp is the most common type.

    There seem to be a whole lot of ENTps and INTjs in this forum though.
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    If there were so many entp's then there would be more female entp's besides me and Joy at this forum!
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    I still think implied in an ENTp.
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    Really? I thought she was infp or something. But maybe - I'll have to looke more closely at her posts.
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    I admit that I haven't read all that many of her posts, but here writing style is T, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I admit that I haven't read all that many of her posts, but here writing style is T, imo.
    @Joy
    How can T writing style be recognized?

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    ummmmmmmmmmmm I dunno. I just do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    Really? I thought she was infp or something. But maybe - I'll have to looke more closely at her posts.
    http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=956
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    Default Megan.

    I asked that last question of you Joy.
    Darn, I wish there was a more systemic way to recognize T style. Anyway, implied does seem to be NT at times though I could not explain why I think this either .

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    For one, I think ethics are more "attached" to their emotions while they right. Logics type in a more detached sort of way.. it's hard to explain. Ethics are also more consious of keeping the peace, whereas logical types are more prone to "attacking" people to get their point across.
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    I attack no one. Besides Mercutio, and he asks for it.
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    @Rocky

    For the love of someone, lets' not turn this into another "implied's type" thread but I must ask, in your opinion what type do you think she is?

    I am curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    @Rocky

    For the love of someone, lets' not turn this into another "implied's type" thread but I must ask, in your opinion what type do you think she is?

    I am curious.
    ... was it not clear? Logical-intuitive Intratim. I think I've said that since the first day she's been here...

    EDIT: I tried going back to her old, original thread where she described herself, and she edited out the description... hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I attack no one. Besides Mercutio, and he asks for it.
    Don't attack Mercutio, he's an ENTP for sure...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I very seriously doubt that ENTp’s are the most common type.

    Really, if they were, don’t you think they would have legalized weed by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul
    I very seriously doubt that ENTp’s are the most common type.

    Really, if they were, don’t you think they would have legalized weed by now?

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    http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/....ap/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I attack no one. Besides Mercutio, and he asks for it.
    Don't attack Mercutio, he's an ENTP for sure...
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    It is hard for me to find an ENTP in my town. Or haven't studied enough what describes an ENTP(I would but I'm too lazy right now ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I attack no one. Besides Mercutio, and he asks for it.
    Don't attack Mercutio, he's an ENTP for sure...
    Can I have some of whatever you're on?
    Yep, if ENTps really where the most common type, weed would be legal.

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    maybe it changes, like those moths that got eaten by owls in england or something.

    before the industry came in the lighter ones were more common, but when the industry came in the smog covered the trees and the darker ones survived more cause the camo worked better.

    there is also a genotype-phenotype issue. I might be a little off, but i'll give this a shot: Some plants have a phenotype(explicit physical characteristics) which expresses dependent upon environmental demands. So although the the genotype(implicit genetic structure) has potential traits these traits only express in a given environment. So we could have the predisposition for multiple types but only one expresses explicitly based upon the way the functions organize themselves naturally.

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    But no, I don't accept those results as valid. I don't think ENTp's are the most common type.

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    Some people here seem to think that "most common type" equals "more than half of the population". Not true. "Most common type" might mean that there are 7% of them in the general populace, while the rest are evenly distributed at 6.2%. Or, indeed, that there are 6.30% of them, compared to 6.247% of all the others. Or even less.

    @Rocky: Are there any similar figures for the other types?
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    @Rocky: Are there any similar figures for the other types?
    ... what I remember is that they claim that the ILI (INTP) is the LEAST common type... I could probab;y find some of the other statistics, too...
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    ... what I remember is that they claim that the ILI (INTP) is the LEAST common type...
    No wonder I can't find any INTps, yet I keep finding ENFps...
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    I had an INTp colleague in high school. So striking INTp

    I think it's easy to identify INTps and ENFps the most

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    I tried to collect the number of people of each type that i know, mostly in my area. + means that i see some representatives of the type every now and then in public places. ++ means that i see a lot of them. No + or ++ means that every representative of said type that i know is counted. It's because some people may seem more interesting to me so i end up talking to them.

    ENTp: 14
    INTj: 7
    ISFp: 5+
    ESFj: 11++
    ESTp: 25++ (I stopped counting at 25)
    ISTj: 3+
    INFp: 11
    ENFj: 6+
    ESFp: 3++ (Not that i don't see many)
    ISFj: 2+
    INTp: 5+
    ENTj: 5+
    ENFp: 16+
    INFj: 5
    ISTp: 5+
    ESTj: 4+

    I guess i don't spend my time in places where there are many ESTjs, cause i really don't see that much of them. + and ++ are relative to the places i go which mostly consist of bars, schools, , shows, shopping malls, restaurants. This could explain the ridiculous quantity of ESTps that i've come to know. The numbers themselves are relative to my type, ENTp, in that the intertype relations system is not bullcrap. Also, there's a Cegep (You guys don't have it in your educationnal system if you don't live in Québec) with a music program so many of the people i meet are musicians. I may forget some other factors or deliberately ignore them because they're obvious.


    What does this gives us? Well it's clear to me that ENTp is not the most representated type in my area. It's also clear that there are fewer intuitive people (note the frequent lack of + or ++ next to most of them) than sensing ones. I don't know if these apply to your area, or to the sample of people typed via BrainTypes (Are BrainTypes really compatible with Socionics types? Never checked that myself.) but one things for sure, here, ENTp is not the most representated type.

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