The 17th century French philosopher René Descartes came up with it. It means that no matter what one thinks, it does not change reality.Originally Posted by Suomea
The 17th century French philosopher René Descartes came up with it. It means that no matter what one thinks, it does not change reality.Originally Posted by Suomea
*snort* This post goes in my sig line. I have a special place in my heart for the absurd.Originally Posted by Ezra
{dying of laughter}
You're such an angry little man, Ezra. Might I suggest yoga? A spot of tea perhaps? A biscuit?
If you've ever seen a picture of her, you'll know why.Originally Posted by implied
I'm not sure how it has any relevance to what we are discussing right now. Since my prime objective in life is the search for truth I'm not sure how this attempt at a closeout or the previous one solves anything or brings us any nearer to that truth. I'm more than willing to hear your arguments for why people don't value their 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th functions at all. This is an interesting topic for me. But you seem to not make any arguments at all. Maybe an example of any famous person at all who you think is a particular type and a display of how they don't value their 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th functions at all might help....:)Originally Posted by Ezra
Suomea
Translation: zenbrat, please spank me!!Originally Posted by Ezra
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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Originally Posted by Mark Twain
Having Ne as a 4th function and as a 7th function can look similar IMO. Weak Ne versus repressed Ne. A heavy Ni subtype INTp, like someone who I think is on this forum, can devalue Ne so much that they do not even look at the possibility that they are wrong and do whatever they can to push their ideas and keep the boat flowing down the same river....:)Originally Posted by ifmd95
Suomea
Socionically speaking, people value their 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th functions. They devalue their 3rd, 4th, 7th and 8th functions. If you would like to debate this fact, it will not be with me, because, quite frankly, I'm not interested in the foundations for socionics; I'm interested in the system itself. I believe that Augusta has formulated a perfectly valid concept, and I cannot be arsed questioning it, because it works perfectly fine.Originally Posted by Suomea
i value my 3rd and 4th functions...i just can't do them very well. and when other people can, from a distance, i can value it. it's when they feel impatience with my weakness and act out of that toward me. this is what i don't value.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
a) Compare me to PotatoSpirit, Smilingeyes and Saddam Hussein, all LSIs.Originally Posted by Suomea
b) Explain how I could possibly have Ti as a first function.
c) Explain to me why I am such good terms with an IEE (one of my best friends).
d) Explain exactly how I represent the IJ temperament in any way.
e) Explain how EIE is my dual.
Originally Posted by EzraSo do you think that you are an asshole ESTp who bashes his Ne into the ground..... or a misguided ISTj? Either way you really are unstable online at least... maybe you are much more pleasant in real life....:) Since you really refuse to put forth any arguments yourself about anything and just want to make statements of fact all over the place which aren't statements of fact at all but topics for debate.... discussing things with you is really pointless. I don't really feel you add anything valuable on the forum in other topics so I think it's best if I just put you on ignore so I don't get baited into a pointless argument with you like others have.....:) If anyone else would like to discuss Ezra's type with me feel free to PM me. ESTp is a possibility but right now I'm more convinced of ISTj.....:)Originally Posted by Ezra
Suomea
Talk to Expat; he's met me.Originally Posted by Suomea
I don't understand where people base the typing of smilingeyes as LSI. Everything he says is so clearly index of a dynamic type that...I don't know.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I think it's because of the fact that he's created a system, and an LSE wouldn't do that kind of thing. In essence, he is a perfect demonstration of textbook Ti behaviour.Originally Posted by FDG
hello, yes? ezra's just a step away from trollism, too.Originally Posted by Suomea
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I love the way everyone on this forum hates the way I act.
I've made so many new enemies since I came here.
And I'm really numb to it all as well - I don't really register the fact that people actually think I talk and act shit.
whaddya...proud?
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
He created it as LIE...and LIEs have Ni as creative function...need to say more?Originally Posted by Ezra
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Yeah, but that's if you believe that your type changes, not everyone does. I have a hard time believing someone who thinks that they were every EXXj type possible, jumping from quadra to quadra in sequential order from ESFj > ENFj > ENTj > ESTj, wtf?Originally Posted by FDG
Regardless of what type I am, I'm still the same person at the core as I was when I was a kid.
People thinking he's an Ti-ego type also coincides with the fact that most of the people who post theories end up being Ti types (or at least claim to be), tcauldig/machintruc/hitta/etc. So it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
Heartbroken.Originally Posted by Blaze
True. But people don't really use their 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th functions to the extent that they do their 1st, 2nd, 7th and 8th. Also, if that's entirely true, why do people laugh when I type myself as an LSE?Originally Posted by Herzy
not everyone, it's just that some people take your remarks a bit too personally and get defensive and so feel it's their duty to argue with you so they can try to prove you wrong. They don't hate the way you act or they'd ignore you - lol even if they won't admit i'd say most of them actually find you interesting. You're caustic but not offensively so because you're often just being honest and straightforward (which some might find overly caustic) but it's refreshing and good for the forum imoOriginally Posted by Ezra
INFp-Ni
It's like paint. If you mix green (Se) with brown (Ti), you get olive green. If you mix green (Se) with yellow (Fi), you get lime green. It's still green (Se dominant), but its appearance changes based upon what it is mixed with.Originally Posted by Herzy
We also develop cognitive and emotional skill sets during life stages. We call it maturity. Socionics might call it "developing weak functions".
I think you might be right about this.Originally Posted by zenbrat
Socionics: XNFx
MBTI: INFJ
I'd still say it was to do with strong and conscious Ti.Originally Posted by Megan
I think that's probably a sign of weak Ethics i.e. you're a Logical type. What do you reckon?Originally Posted by ifmd95
Ezra I am like 99% certain that you are ESTp and that everyone that disagrees with this is socionically retarded because I found this thread http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...678&highlight= fucking hilarious. Of course there's like 1% of uncertainty but you can rectify that by putting these images in your head: imagine:Originally Posted by Ezra
Rolling a quadropilegic (aka cripple) on to a railroad track and listening to them try to convince you to move them as the train approaches (it's a clear day and the train is moving slow)
A giant black man giving a retarded pregnant girl an abortion with his penis
A plane crashing into a skyscraper and people jumping out of the windows en masse to the tune of "it's raining men". the splatters line up with the drum beat and in the music video the guy singing has a mullet.
Using teeth to tear out a women's clitoris and then stapling it to her face in two pieces
Mohammed durka durka Jihad surprise!
Curb stomping the last panda bear
someone you hate being castrated, covered in tar, feathered, and then being set free around the busiest intersection in town. Now escalate that to 10 people, make sure the tar's in their eyes, and make it an LA freeway with fences on both sides.
If none of these horrible terrible, abhorrently disturbingly gruesome socially unacceptable images offended you to the point where you hate me for having the gull to mention them on a public forum then the final 1% can be added to the 99% cuz you are my dual and yes i'll feel guilty once i click the "submit" button but really doesn't that just make it all that much more amusing? lol - i blame long bus rides and men that don't wear deodorant.
INFp-Ni
those are some funny fucking black humor jokes misutii....welcome to the dark side
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
here's some estp humor....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIzHOfC0cMU
and another....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKuDYbnXBJQ
fucking hilarious....
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I didn't find the first one very funny, except for the bit where the guy goes "I haven't seen him in a while..." and Walken goes "you see this?" and smacks him. However, I did think that was a quality piece of film, and I'm downloading it so I can watch it in its entirety. It looks good.
I love the second one, because I love Pulp Fiction. I did find that really funny. What I found funnier though was the only truly funny bit in the first Austin Powers.
FOURTEEN-YEAR-OLD
Hi Mom! When's Steve coming home?
He said he was going to teach me to
play ball.
MRS. HARWIN
Sit down, Billy, I have some bad
news. As you know, your brother
Steven was a henchman in Dr. Evil's
Private Army.
BILLY
Was? What is it, Mom?
MRS. HARWIN
Your brother was run over by a
steamroller.
BILLY
A steamroller?
(bursting into tears)
No, not Steve! Since Dad died,
Steve's been like a father to me.
I also find the film Starship Troopers brilliant. Why? Not because of the action. But because it is caked in satire. It is actually funny. It is ingenious.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyyHPVpc0_M[/youtube]
A lot of my sense of humour revolves around clever or sly wit that a lot of my peers and about two thirds of this population at least do not understand or find the least bit funny. I, on the other hand, take huge pleasure it in. It is my favourite type of humour.
yeah you have to watch the whole thing (for the first one from true romance)
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
LOL!Originally Posted by Ezra
Is this your irrefutable proof that I am an LSE?
listen to Bob Sagat's 10 minute rendition of "The Aristocrats" and then read "Tropic of Cancer" by Henry Miller and you'll never be the same lol
Anyways if you were ESTj, as others have claimed, I don't think you'd still be asking for proof in a thread titled "ESTps". Also I think you already know that you're ESTp but entertain other people attempting to tell you otherwise cause you know that they're wrong and it's amusing. And finally, if you were actually an ESTj (LSE) then us Betas would have succeeded by now in making sure that you stopped polluting our fucking sub-forum with your ESTjness and instead relocated your bitch ass here: http://the16types.info/forums/viewforum.php?f=6
INFp-Ni
Please note that subforums are not used as advertised ("this is for discussion between [insert Quadra here] members"). So you have Alphas posting about Deltas in the Delta Quadra subforum, and Betas talking about Gammas in the Gamma Quadra subforum.
Please also note, particularly you, zenbrat, that I am not an LSE. While I do actually like Te a lot (hence proving socionics theory to be flawed), I am only an ESTJ in MBTT terms. I would even like to be LSE, but my character dictates otherwise.
You're an SLE (ESTp) Se-subtype. the Se subtype pushes you towards Gamma and away from Alpha, hence the fact that you like and value Te. Do you disagree?Originally Posted by Ezra
INFp-Ni
yeah but context has a lot to do with it, the fact that i was obviously trying to think of the most offensive things possible made it all a bit more comedicOriginally Posted by ifmd95
INFp-Ni
No. Se isn't even strong in me. Alternatively, it is, and I don't value it. But I refuse to believe that Se is both strong and valued.Originally Posted by misutii
As I've always said, I can only have Te or Se as a leading function in my eyes, and I don't think it's Se.
Expat would say that there's a confliction of values if I think I am LSE, SLE, or LIE. In reality, I'd like to get rich, help people out and settle down with a family. My one driving motivation in life? That. So you can't just say to me; you have to either want to get rich, make the world conform to your personal vision when it is realised, or help and protect people. Right now I'm in financial shit, so naturally I want to make money. But what I really want is to never have to work, ever again, and I can just live off what hard work I've achieved in my life. Sacrifice now, for brilliance later. That is what I want, indubitably.
Don't worry about it. I don't see it as boring. For me, what brings me pleasure in life are the small things. Good quality music, a walk in the hills, a good film, a shower after a refreshing morning run, console games. So I am prepared to work so that I can enjoy this lifestyle. I like to be busy, no matter on what, I just like to be busy. Si is important to me; I know it is, because I see it around me all the time. I'm always aware of how balanced I am as a person; of how comfortable I am. And I do all in my power to achieve maximum comfort so that I am more effective as a person. (Well, actually, that's a lie. I sometimes surrender myself to things which are bad for me, but which I get a rush off.) I know everything is temporary, but living around all over the place would do my Si in badly. I'm not sure I'd enjoy travelling the world for months on end, unlike you, who would derive immense pleasure out of it.Originally Posted by Herzy
Of course, if I am a logical type, which I definitely am, I'm shit in Fi and Fe.Originally Posted by ifmd95
A question, by the way, for anyone that knows. What is a Fi like in bed, and what is a Fe like in bed?
Who, Garmonbozia?on more than one occasion the forums have been awash in your drool over Ni women!