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    how can you tell when an ESTP likes you? if they have restrictive parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    how can you tell when an ESTP likes you? if they have restrictive parents?
    by killing the parents.

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    You mean like a crush type of thing?

    They'll likely fish for a lot of eye contact.

    I'll add more later when it's not 6 in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    how can you tell when an ESTP likes you? if they have restrictive parents?
    by killing the parents.
    My thoughts exactly.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    how can you tell when an ESTP likes you? if they have restrictive parents?
    by killing the parents.
    http://one.revver.com/watch/285628

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    eh, he seems to respect his parents.. his mom likes him.
    they're all christian.
    and yeah I mean in the crush way.

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    Aren't ESTP supposed to be outspoken? If he gropes you, you might know.

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    which makes me doubt if he's really ESTP.
    he sure as heck acts like an ESTP. you can't stop laughing around him
    and takes challenges like they're nothing.
    but he respects the resctrictive parents and seems to like it when
    the girl approaches instead of vise versa.
    quote "oh, look! finally the girls are coming to US!"

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    Well if he's ESTp, he's ESTp, regardless of whether or not he follows his restrictive parents or not.

    It's also possible he's a logical subtype. I've found that logical subtypes tend to be less willing to put their feelings out in the open, and therefore might like it if someone takes care of that for them by taking the initiative.

    Granted, I wouldn't mind if a guy took the initiative, as long as I found him attractive in the first place. Unfortunately, the only guys who have taken the initiative with me weren't really what I was looking for, so things didn't work out for obvious reasons. (Interestingly enough, they most of them were xSFx types.)

    Aren't ESTP supposed to be outspoken? If he gropes you, you might know.
    Some are, some aren't. I've actually done lots of observing on ESTps, and I can definitively tell you that most of the ESTps I've encountered aren't what you'd call loud, but it's also rare that they're shy. With the majority of them, how outspoken they are depends 100% on whoever else is in the vicinity at the time.

    And if I randomly grope a guy, it's usually because he's a good-looking friend of mine who I know won't get pissy over it. 80% of the time it's just a joke to test people's reactions. (Also, the only reason why I can get away with this is because I'm a girl. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    Well if he's ESTp, he's ESTp, regardless of whether or not he follows his restrictive parents or not.

    It's also possible he's a logical subtype. I've found that logical subtypes tend to be less willing to put their feelings out in the open, and therefore might like it if someone takes care of that for them by taking the initiative.

    Aren't ESTP supposed to be outspoken? If he gropes you, you might know.
    Some are, some aren't. I've actually done lots of observing on ESTps, and I can definitively tell you that most of the ESTps I've encountered aren't what you'd call loud, but it's also rare that they're shy. With the majority of them, how outspoken they are depends 100% on whoever else is in the vicinity at the time.

    )
    what you said there definatly sounds like him..

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    okay, this is like a couple days after his mom tells him that I like him. (I didn't tell her too)
    he said, "well, I only like her as a friend" I'm not sure about that there but his sister thinks he said it because his mom didn't sound to happy so she thinks maybe he was lying.
    okay so one night I'm playing with some little girl and mr.ESTP is playing ping pong with some other guy..(without a table)
    then me and the other girl lay down under the pingpong game because she dared me too.
    ESTP and the other guy talk for a while,
    Me:I keep thinking that ball is gonna hit me in the face
    ESTP: (I can't remember what he said, something about making sure it doesn't)
    Me: aww! I didn't know you cared!
    ESTP: well, your the one who likes me!!
    Me: WHAT!?
    ESTP: you like me!! *smile*
    Me: so
    then hes doing random things to me that he doesn't usually do like
    jump on me, and flash a light in my face, and for crying out loud, he said GOODBYE sincerly!
    well.. after he scared me and said "BOO!".. but, yeah..
    omg, and I gave him a card and ran away cuz I was so scared of what his reaction might be.
    his sister said, "he opened it and he was like, 'aww!'" like it was cute or something..

    ughhh. I love him to bits....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    Again, this is what I was thinking.

    An SLE who, it seems, you cannot see if they like you or not, is probably not an SLE. Maybe an ESTP in MBTT, but certainly not an SLE.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    Again, this is what I was thinking.

    An SLE who, it seems, you cannot see if they like you or not, is probably not an SLE. Maybe an ESTP in MBTT, but certainly not an SLE.
    I didn't quite understand all that. what's SLE and MBTT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    I didn't quite understand all that. what's SLE and MBTT?
    An SLE is the lexical equivalent of an ESTp. They are different to their MBTT (Myers-Briggs Type Testing) counterpart, ESTP, in many ways. General focus is one. Focus on power is another.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Ezra, (as diplomatically as possible) you are not an ESTp. You do not understand them at all. Honestly, everytime you post about them, you are way off.

    Have you checked into ESTj again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    Again, this is what I was thinking.

    An SLE who, it seems, you cannot see if they like you or not, is probably not an SLE. Maybe an ESTP in MBTT, but certainly not an SLE.
    Ezra, cut this shit out. You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    This is true with my ENTp bro. Not like my parents are very restrictive, but y'know. Physical fighting ensues.

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    I won't go off topic on this. I'll answer you both, zenbrat and Herzy, in my 100 page typing thread in "What's My Type?".
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birds
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    This is true with my ENTp bro. Not like my parents are very restrictive, but y'know. Physical fighting ensues.
    that sucks. well, this estp must not be totally estp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    Quote Originally Posted by Birds
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    This is true with my ENTp bro. Not like my parents are very restrictive, but y'know. Physical fighting ensues.
    that sucks. well, this estp must not be totally estp.
    THANKYOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki
    Quote Originally Posted by Birds
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I've never met an ExTx that succumbed to resitrictive parents. Usually they are able to get their own way, even through physical fighting if needed.
    This is true with my ENTp bro. Not like my parents are very restrictive, but y'know. Physical fighting ensues.
    that sucks. well, this estp must not be totally estp.
    THANKYOU.
    I didn't quite understand what was up between you guys.

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    What are you talking about?

    Also, Zenbrat, do you know what an SLE is or are you just going off MBTT descriptions?
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Also, Zenbrat, do you know what an SLE is or are you just going off MBTT descriptions?
    honestly, i see what i think is a lot of Fi and Te on her myspace. i don't see any reason to dispute her Se though. (and as for her Ti, maybe she still has it but is sensing subtype?)
    She was down for an 8w7 on EIDB for a very long time. About half a year after I got there, she switched to 3w4. She also calls herself an ENFP (in MBTT). I don't know what she (might think she) is in socionics, and I couldn't even hazard a guess.

    Ezra what do you think about the EN(T)p typing for yourself i pitched a while back ago? it's possible you've fooled me into finally buying an Se type for yourself only because my own understanding of Se is too limited (which wouldn't surprise me, since i'm considering INTj for myself after all.)
    I don't consciously fool or attempt to fool others.

    I'm actually considering ILE right now, believe it or not. But basically, at this stage, it remains uncertain. The only reason I initially threw the idea away was because I though SLE fitted me better. It's quite possible though that my aggression that those around me so frequently experience is completely unrelated to Se, and is in fact to do with me as a person. I find it after all to be a bit of entertainment. It's nothing serious. It's a shame some people don't realise this. I can be, however, a very challenging person.

    After the amount of controversy generated by the initial description (which I have now deleted, accidentally), I wrote another more low key, outright honest piece about my life. Elro I think it was typed me as an ILE. I can't find the description sadly.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Talk to Expat. Seriously. He has met me in person. If anyone has anything to say about the truth of my Se, he does.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Well, to clarify:

    I am a Socionics Ni INFp, an Enneagram 4w5, and MBTI INxP. The reasons, confusions and conclusions are a tale for another day. Ask if interested - I'll splain.

    My "T"-ness is probably a combination of many things:
    1) Being a 5-wing on the Enneagram.
    2) Being Ni subtype in Socionics.
    3) Most aquaintances in my life, of every relationship type, are (and have been) ESTp's - mostly Ti subtype.
    4) I work in IT, and have done so for almost 8 years.
    5) I like to read, learn, think, write and discuss - a byproduct of being raised by a Ni INFp and Ti ESTp no doubt.

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    As for Ezra... ESTj. I don't have conflicting relations with ESTp's, ever. I have great offline aquaintances with all of the ESTp's from EIDB. I have no less than 15 ESTp family members, friends and intimates with whom I get along famously. But, Ezra and I would kill each other IRL, or die trying.

    Ti ESTp = Little Red Riding Hood, Heath, HitmanISTP, Jessica (Ti's seem like Introverts, most often test as ISTp)
    Se ESTp = Herzy, Icepick

    Ezra resembles none of these, nor any other ESTp I have ever known. He does, however, resemble the ESTj's I've known. Expat is an exception - a very balanced ESTj who is more ENTj; likes to discuss and explore information, rather than ram a conclusion down your throat.

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    Actually, I am a Ti subtype, and originally tested as ISTp for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat
    As for Ezra... ESTj. I don't have conflicting relations with ESTp's, ever. I have great offline aquaintances with all of the ESTp's from EIDB. I have no less than 15 ESTp family members, friends and intimates with whom I get along famously. But, Ezra and I would kill each other IRL, or die trying.

    Ti ESTp = Little Red Riding Hood, Heath, HitmanISTP, Jessica (Ti's seem like Introverts, most often test as ISTp)
    Se ESTp = Herzy, Icepick

    Ezra resembles none of these, nor any other ESTp I have ever known. He does, however, resemble the ESTj's I've known. Expat is an exception - a very balanced ESTj who is more ENTj; likes to discuss and explore information, rather than ram a conclusion down your throat.
    What do you think about me? ENTj sounds right? (ps. I think Heath is ISTj)
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    yeah i think icepick is an istp.

    FDG you prolly are an entj. you like isfj's too much to be an estp...lol.

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    I hope heathie is an ISTj hahaha

    But Jessica an ESTp? Nah


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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    Actually, I am a Ti subtype, and originally tested as ISTp for quite some time. :P
    Yeah, I agree with this. I don't think too many ESTp-Ses in general would be attracted to this site.
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    Honestly, I'm not trying to retype anyone. These are just observations.

    I've chatted with Icepick offline at great length; ESTp, definately.

    I believe Jessica is Ti, based on many factors. Again, Ti ESTp's all seem like introverts. It's all in what she says, how she relates to herself and her world. Also, female ESTp's have a fragile appearance. ISTp females are a bit more rugged.

    I could pull a series of posts and launch a real explaination, but not without consent. Again, I'm not trying to retype or challenge anyone's self-typing. Just observing.

    Herzy, have you taken Enneagram tests? I've noticed that Se's = 7w6 and Ti's = 7w8.

    FDG, actually I've always pegged you NT. Not so sure about j though. What do you believe leans you toward rational?

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    I know that I can seem like an ESTp very easily because I can be quite outspoken with my friends, although I clam the fuck up when it's with anyone I don't know.

    ALlllllllllllllllllllllright for Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat

    Herzy, have you taken Enneagram tests? I've noticed that Se's = 7w6 and Ti's = 7w8.
    The ESTp-Se I know is 8w7 and ESTp-Ti I know is 8w9, I've been over it with both of them. I think the 9 wing explains the Ti subtypes seeming passiveness whilst at the same time they get shit done
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    Everything here is very, very shitty reasoning. It's based on weak or no foundations. It's speculation at best.

    zenbrat, I'm not going to ignore the possibility of SLE-Ti for me. Keep in mind that while I test as an ESTJ most of the time regarding MBTT, it is not necessarily the case that I am Delta. I type as an ESTJ from a dichotomical point of view, but not necessarily from a functional point of view. MBTI tests through dichotomies, not functions. And therein lies its flaw; it uses both elements to justify its method, and yet they are at odds with one another. Nonetheless, I will not rule Delta out as a possibility at this time.

    Let me also point out that your observations regarding Expat are incorrect, zenbrat, not because you've misinterpreted LIE or LSE, but because your understanding of Expat is skewered. Expat's manner (in real life) is almost totally at odds with the LSE. Yes, he undermines Fe, but he doesn't have the air of restraint like the LSE does, nor does he give ten shits about the way he composes himself. Talk to FDG, and he will back me up.

    Fabio, Expat noted some differences between you and I. He said that while you made the attempt to be friendly, passed jokes and had a laid back air about you, I, in contrast, had the cold, evaluating stare of a Ti-subtype. This could be related to my being an SLE-Ti, or it could be related to the possibility of my being an LSI. Expat says he doesn't think I'm Ti dominant, and nor do I, but it is still a possibility. Basically though, I guess he saw a distinction between the way you and I acted. I personally wasn't new to the kind of person Expat was (I've known and got on well enough with Te-dominants in the past), but his style not something I'm particularly accustomed to. Also, both Expat and I believe you are an SEE, but for different reasons. I won't attempt to explain Expat's reasoning, but I believe you are an SEE because what I have seen of you thus far is most compatible with the SEE's functioning order. I won't give you a full-blown analysis of your character unless you ask for one, and it will take a long time to compose if you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Talk to Expat. Seriously. He has met me in person. If anyone has anything to say about the truth of my Se, he does.
    was he referring to you or just your description of you with this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Ezra's description is clearly of a Ti quadra type, and LII is a good possibility.
    i'm aware Expat doesn't dispute the ESTp typing but if he also is considering INTj (Se POLR) then he musn't think Se ego for you is anything to bet the house on.
    He's talking about my friend here; not me. Go into my thread in What's My Type? for more information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii
    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat

    Herzy, have you taken Enneagram tests? I've noticed that Se's = 7w6 and Ti's = 7w8.
    The ESTp-Se I know is 8w7 and ESTp-Ti I know is 8w9, I've been over it with both of them. I think the 9 wing explains the Ti subtypes seeming passiveness whilst at the same time they get shit done
    7w8's and 8w7's are often confused. Even they aren't always sure. But, if you confront them about something painful, limiting, or require a final and binding decision, the difference becomes clear.

    8's move in, decisively and aggressively - it WILL be settled, decided and resolved NOW. Even if/when you're ready to let it go, the 8 is not. You feel intense pressure, like a vice.

    7's evade, say "I don't know", walk away, bring up irrelevent points to move the conversation elsewhere, pull back and only 'spark' lightly aggressive in small bursts (if feeling extremely cornered) while trying to placate you - oh, and it will never be resolved. You feel like you're trying to nail jello to a tree that's throwing acorns at you.

    7w8's are mistaken for 8w9's because of their strength in reserve and withdrawn persona. Gandolfini is a good example of 7w8 ESTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat
    7w8's are mistaken for 8w9's because of their strength in reserve and withdrawn persona.
    Then they are sorely mistaken. 7w8s and 8w9s are two very different breeds. It is much easier to mistake a 7w8 for an 8w7 than an 8w9. It is almost impossible to mistake an 8w9 for a 7w8. 8w9s are even more grounded than 8w7s, who are in turn more grounded than 7w8s. Nonetheless, Jack Nicholson is a 7w8, and he can sometimes look like an 8w9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Everything here is very, very shitty reasoning. It's based on weak or no foundations.
    I haven't provided actual "reasoning", Ezra. I provided comparisons. You exhibit very close-ended, conclusive dismissal without actually requesting additional information on my "foundations"; very STj.

    It's speculation at best.
    Duh? I just said that.

    zenbrat, I'm not going to ignore the possibility of SLE-Ti for me. Keep in mind that while I test as an ESTJ most of the time regarding MBTT, it is not necessarily the case that I am Delta. I type as an ESTJ from a dichotomical point of view, but not necessarily from a functional point of view. MBTI tests through dichotomies, not functions. And therein lies its flaw; it uses both elements to justify its method, and yet they are at odds with one another. Nonetheless, I will not rule Delta out as a possibility at this time.
    I'm not particularly invested in the dichotomical or functional basis of your type, Ezra. Defensively and aggressively trying to ram a conclusion down my throat (rather than telling me to go straight to Hell and moving on like an ESTp) screams ESTj.

    Let me also point out that your observations regarding Expat are incorrect, zenbrat, not because you've misinterpreted LIE or LSE, but because your understanding of Expat is skewered. Expat's manner (in real life) is almost totally at odds with the LSE. Yes, he undermines Fe, but he doesn't have the air of restraint like the LSE does, nor does he give ten shits about the way he composes himself. Talk to FDG, and he will back me up.
    My observations of Expat are rather cursory, however, I am quite familiar with Expat's on-board style of information presentation, and open-ended seeking of input and response, which does not seem ESTj. And as I specified, this is in direct conflict with my experience of the ESTj personality. I did not question Expat's personality typing at all nor did I request verification of such from you.

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    Talk to Expat. Seriously. He has met me in person. If anyone has anything to say about the truth of my Se, he does.
    An ESTp wouldn't really give a good got-damn either way what Expat's opinion of their Se was, truth or not.

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    Ti's: Forrest Whitaker, James Gandolfini, Trent Reznor, Eminem, Denzel Washington

    Se: Lenny Kravitz, Prince

    These guys are often pegged as Feelers or Intuitives, which they are not. ESTp is probably the most sentimental type about love and the most emotionally distraught about how hoplessly scewed up life really is for them - but it only comes through in indirect 'anonymous' expression: lyrics, fiction, blogs, acting, etc. They are wonderful actors because they feel so much under the surface. It lends a lot of reality and depth to their roles - they pour the feeling that they cannot express IRL into their roles.

    I'm not sure how dual-seeking plays into this but I've observed that ESTp's are INFp-ish at heart.

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