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    Vladimir Putin's quotes:

    "I believe in the person. I believe in his or her good intentions. I believe that we all have come here to create good. And if we do this, and do this together, we will succeed in our relations and in the relations between our countries. But the most important thing that we will achieve by this - we will attain comfort in our own hearts."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "The people must feel for themselves, on their daily budget, on their own pockets, on their health, on the education of their children, that something in the country is changing for the better. Only then can we count on their support and enjoy their trust. If this does not occur, then it will turn into a situation that we now see in some developed economies, where hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets and demand that which the governments of these countries are actually incapable of fulfilling."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "Over the past decade the country has seen some fundamental changes .... However, the letter of the law and real life are still sometimes too far apart."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "For me, Russia - is all my life. I cannot imagine myself outside of Russia for a second. I feel a connection to Russia, I could never live outside of it. But, of course, Russia can do without people like me - it has many people."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "We need to learn how to accurately yet understandably explain to the people the problems that we face. We must prove that we offer viable solutions to these problems, and not be afraid to admit mistakes, at the same time analyzing them and correcting them in time."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "You cannot promise everything, all at once. You cannot turn into promise-man who makes promises in order to mislead people and "powder up" their minds, only to break through to become an official and authority, and then proceed to take care of his or her own problems, not thinking about carrying out the unfulfillable promises."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "Among the people whom we meet and talk to there are a lot of those who are disappointed, lost, confused. It is our duty to show these people the way to the end of the tunnel."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "Knowledge is the best currency of the 21st century."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "The American initiative is a proposal to burn down the house in order to cook an omelet."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "Those who feel no regret for the collapse of Soviet Union have no heart; those who want to recreate it in the same form have no mind."
    — Vladimir Putin

    "As was mentioned in one Italian film: "... a real man should always try, the real woman should always resist". This means that the powers tends to reduce the amount of criticism in their own address, and the media always draws attention to the errors of the authorities."
    — Vladimir Putin

    ...

    The study of the origins of the last name Putin is of intertest to many people involved in onomatology (the science that studies the surname, patronymic, nicknames, aliases, etc.). This question was of interets to me. After a lengthy study of various sources, I was able to identify two main versions of the origin of this name:
    1. The first version is that the origin of this name is derived from the word "path" or "way" (rus: "put'"). This is disputed among onomatology scientists that this name could not have been formed directly from the word "way", that most of the "road-travel" names (Dorozhin, Dorozhkin) actually come from peasant names (same Dorozhin - from Dorofei). But the word "way" in addition to the modern meaning of "road", in ancient language also had a few other meanings such as "benefit, income" as well as "right, good order"; from this comes the word "putnii" which means "righteous, worthwhile", "someone on the good path", "something beneficial for one's way".
    2. The second version says that the origins of the name Putin could be a diminutive form of a bipartite ancient names: Putislav, Putimir, Putisil. In everyday life, they could be pronounced as Putia, Putala, Putiata, etc.
    The geographical origin of the last name Putin is with villages Turginovo and Pominovo located on the border of modern Moscow and Tver regions, near the river Shoshi.






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    LII, LSI, ILI, SLI, ILE, EIE, IEI, IEE, EII, ESI, SLE, and LSE, depending on which of the russians you ask.

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    fantastic!
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    The badass type

    Just look at his "Go fuck yourself" look, fucking awesome.

    You don't fuck with Vanilla Pudding.

    Whatever type he is, he's a pretty good tactician, he's apparently gearing towards staying in power by running for the Prime Minister post, which is why he put in the dummy as the current PM.

    Thought his wife died, apparently not

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    LII, LSI, ILI, SLI, ILE, EIE, IEI, IEE, EII, ESI, SLE, and LSE, depending on which of the russians you ask.
    The sad thing is how correct you are in this.
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    He's probably IJ or EJ temperament.

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    My guess would be ISTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aut0
    Whatever type he is, he's a pretty good tactician, he's apparently gearing towards staying in power by running for the Prime Minister post, which is why he put in the dummy as the current PM.
    yeah, there's no way he's giving up power.
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    Perhaps ISTp. Seems to be the same as John Malkovich, at any rate.

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    His concentration on getting Russia back in the arms race suggests he is a Se-valuing type. Thus, Beta or Gamma. Past that, I couldn't say, because I haven't read up on him enough.
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    LSI LSI LSI

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    Given the way he projects Russia as an independent, resilient power, I'm going to have to agree that he's LSI.

    He seems to have the "ISTj robot problem", at least. Western commentators complain that they never know whether the intrigues his government seems to be involved in are geniune or just a show....

    Today he brushed aside the possibility of an assassination attempt to go to Iran. He appears to have thrown cold water on the push to strike Iran militarily, which can certainly be interpreted as creative .

    But doesn't that seem significant? Bush and Putin are mirrors....

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    Bush is more likely ESTj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Bush is more likely ESTj.
    Could be ENTj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Bush is more likely ESTj.
    He's not. He's not. He's not.

    There is a congresswoman from Cincinnatti who looks eerily like him, as though Bush made a sex-swapped clone of himself and told her to run for Congress. She's a former athlete and she looks VERY ESTp.

    Can you think of one statement Bush has made that began with a conclusion? He always says X is happening, therefore we conclude Y. Contrast it with your own X -could- happen, therefore we conclude Y.

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    For Putin to be ISTj, actually makes a lot of sense.

    He was ratting off statistics earlier today to the (obedient) Russian press. His ISTj-ness would actually seem to explain somewhat his determination to suppress the press in that country, given that the ENFps are naturally inqusitive and are often ace reporters. (reporting is basically high-level gossip, after all.)

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html

    And he made reference to a popular quote in Russia when told by the president of France that the French "wanted to understand Russia." The quote goes, "One cannot understand Russia, only believe in it."

    Which coming from Putin, seems very superid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Bush is more likely ESTj.
    He's not. He's not. He's not.
    He's not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Bush is more likely ESTj.
    He's not. He's not. He's not.
    He's not?
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    I could see that I suppose.
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    Is there already some idea which type Vladimir Putin is?

    I've read that Lyvtov thinks he's an ILI.

    I personally used to think he's one of the LII, LIE, LSE types

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    I'd bet my ass Putin in a merry static and rational --> INTj or ISTj. Many people believe he is an ISTj but an INTj teacher I had was very similar to Putin in gestures and looks, and this makes me doubt about Putin's type
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    On the most widely used Russian Socionics typing database - SSS - his votes currently are:

    LSI - 43 votes
    LII - 23 votes
    EIE - 18 votes
    LSE - 15 votes
    ILI - 14 votes
    ILE - 7 votes

    Enneagramically: 1w2 so/sp
    Frustration + rejection + competence enneagram triads (link) usually stand in his speech, example: "If a person is satisfied with everything, then he or she is a complete idiot. A healthy person with normal memory can not always be happy with everything." - V. Putin - This makes the attachment triad (3,6,9) be aunlikely ennea-typings for him. He was called the politician of "spheres of influence" many times by the western media, which is congruent with so/sp stacking.


    (The first line of translation in the video below isn't accurate. It reads: "Why didn't you fix this before now?" while what he has actually said was: "Why hasn't there been anyone here capable of making decisions?" - "Decisive" type + competence ennea-triad)



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    LSI for sure , I would have said Se subtype. So/sp or Sp/so quite obvious

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    Definitely on board for LSI here. Other powerful LSIs... Angela Merkel, Hilary Clinton, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Joseph Stalin and Che Guevara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Oliver Aaron View Post
    Definitely on board for LSI here. Other powerful LSIs... Angela Merkel, Hilary Clinton, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Joseph Stalin and Che Guevara.
    I agree except:
    - Guevara was EIE
    - Merkel, really LSI? - what about LII?
    - Al Baghdadi: what about ESI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    I agree except:
    - Guevara was EIE
    - Merkel, really LSI? - what about LII?
    - Al Baghdadi: what about ESI?
    Che Guevara was far more about adhering to the ideology with strictness and bringing discipline against those who fell out of line. Fidel Castro was the EIE providing the emotional motivation.

    I hadn't considered LII for Merkel, I suppose it could make sense although I have trouble seeing Alpha.

    Al Baghdadi's approach is the very clear extreme literal interpretation of Islam that fits LSI. It sticks to the law in its absolute form and brings about enforcement of the law. It's almost a pastiche of LSI. Furthermore, his overall campaign is very extreme Beta with the desire to make others join, a feeling of brotherhood between members and antagonism of those outside the group. He himself has been noted as being bookish, almost nerdy, not very socially apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Oliver Aaron View Post
    Che Guevara was far more about adhering to the ideology with strictness and bringing discipline against those who fell out of line. Fidel Castro was the EIE providing the emotional motivation.
    Well are you telling me that this was an example of a Dual pair, with the LSI unusually theatrical and inspirational?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Oliver Aaron View Post
    Al Baghdadi's approach is the very clear extreme literal interpretation of Islam that fits LSI. It sticks to the law in its absolute form and brings about enforcement of the law. It's almost a pastiche of LSI.
    That essentially describes Ne-PoLR; I see no problem with ESI. An LSI normally comes with a consistent impersonal ideology of their own, publicly argumented, when this one has none that we know of, except the adherence to and the repeating mantras of radical Islam. Between the two, it is the ESI actually described inclined to antagonize "us" and "the others", even if apparently this sounds Aristocratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    Well are you telling me that this was an example of a Dual pair, with the LSI unusually theatrical and inspirational?

    That essentially describes Ne-PoLR; I see no problem with ESI. An LSI normally comes with a consistent impersonal ideology of their own, publicly argumented, when this one has none that we know of, except the adherence to and the repeating mantras of radical Islam. Between the two, it is the ESI actually described inclined to antagonize "us" and "the others", even if apparently this sounds Aristocratic.
    Yes, I'd say that they make a good example of a dual pair in the Cuban revolution. While LSIs are capable of being theatrical when surrounded by an already theatrical mood (the suggestive function is very willing to play by someone's lead), they aren't the source of this theatricality themselves. Instead, Castro played that role while Guevara focused on the adherence to the ideology (comparable to Al Baghdadi's insistence on adherence to the literal Islam). One energised the people, the other strictly integrated their actions with Communist ideals. This is the ideal pairing for a cultural/political revolution and similar roles have been played in Black rights (Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X) and the Russian Revolution (Leon Trotsky and Josef Stalin) [I am aware that the latter of these examples later fell apart, but duality isn't always going to work out].

    Regarding Al Baghdadi, it is not merely Vulnerable Ne, as it is specifically a lack of tolerance for ambiguity when interpreting prescribed rules and commands that he has committed himself to i.e The Quaran of Islam. His straightforward, literal interpretation is applied to Ti, with there being little evidence that he applies such an approach to the internal qualities of people (Fi). For an ESI, they would likely be less committed to the letter of the law (The Role function is Contact and Subdued, not Inert and Valued), but instead be committed to their flash judgements of people based on their deeds and actions e.g. "that person hurt my friend, he is a bad person, there's no question he is bad". Just as rigid and literal, but applied to a different area.

    I would add that Al Baghdadi is similar to Putin in that the key to his success is in the bringing of a clear structural organisation to his State. There are divisions, roles and a disciplined adherence to those different roles, from guard patrols on roads, to militia, to propagandists that has never been seen before in an Islamic extremist group. Putin did the same sort of thing with Russia.
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    LSI 6w5 sp/so....1w2s aren't mumblers...LSI even augments the 1's tone of conviction. Mumbling just adds to mess/poop and if there's one thing 1w2s restrict themselves from....its messiness.


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    Lol, my dad's like a handsomer version of Putin. LSI 6w5 ftw. Sx last.

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    his politics is kinda so/sp

    not sure about Enneatype ...not a reactive&group_power-oriented one probably.
    Compare him to Malcolm X for whom socio-cultural ideology defended "by all means possible" (including by sword) was the priority.

    e1w2 makes more sense, given his rigidity and "snake-like" control.

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    Difficult, but I would go for SLI. Based on VI of his face, his coolnes, and his former job kgb, and his hobbies judo and flying fighterplanes lol. I like that guy. He's also more of a gangster than a politician.

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    INTP
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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