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    aut0 thinks I'm ISFj

    And yourself?



    Actually, why not - for the first time, yes - why not the forum collectively type me? So that way you can just talk amongst yourself, if you really care so much - and that way it won't be ME staying MY position about my thoughts on my type. But rather, you can complain amongst yourselves that you all were wrong, or right, etc.

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    I think you could be Gamma, but I'm not sure enough to take a stance at this point.

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    alpha/delta type. this much is certain.

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    I doubt it.

    ISFjs, especially ISFj women, create an almost noxious/toxic atmosphere inside me. Something just doesn't feel right. Which makes me believe I am ENTp more than anything, really. It's a natural hatred. I saw a few of your posts, but I got nothing like that from you ever.

    Online typing is hard. I'm not saying it's as simple as people don't act themselves online, the problem is we act TOO much like ourselves, if that makes sense....

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    alpha/delta type. this much is certain.
    Disagree, all his posts revolve around some form of work, student office, jobs, meetings etc.

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    Oh come on. What are you saying, all alpha/delta types are bums that only care about porn and goofing off and sex?

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    No but he enjoys posting about work related stuff, work is work, its serious for me, I don't enjoy work. I work so that I can appreciate the finer things in life.

    ESI from Wikisocion:

    Common social roles

    1. The moralist who is quick to judge people for good and bad behavior, finds fault easily, and punishes just as easily.
    2. The devoted worker who quietly and unfailingly fulfills his or her duty and expects the same from others.
    3. The sentimental yet tenacious achiever who has a very strong motivation to achieve a specific prestigious career goal, yet has a great deal of interpersonal sensitivity and often insecurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aut0
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    alpha/delta type. this much is certain.
    Disagree, all his posts revolve around some form of work, student office, jobs, meetings etc.
    i fail to see the relevance.

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    I get that, but maybe he's just lucky enough to be in something that he enjoys? I can't imagine anybody would find pleasure doing something they don't really want to do, but a lot of people can't fulfill their dreams for a variety of reasons. Which is why I say fuck it, at least my porn will always be here for me. =D

    If he's one of those types of people that would be happy in any job, just working for the sake of working, I don't get that either and never will.

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    what's wrong with LSE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aut0
    No but he enjoys posting about work related stuff, work is work, its serious for me, I don't enjoy work. I work so that I can appreciate the finer things in life.

    ESI from Wikisocion:

    Common social roles

    1. The moralist who is quick to judge people for good and bad behavior, finds fault easily, and punishes just as easily.
    2. The devoted worker who quietly and unfailingly fulfills his or her duty and expects the same from others.
    3. The sentimental yet tenacious achiever who has a very strong motivation to achieve a specific prestigious career goal, yet has a great deal of interpersonal sensitivity and often insecurity.
    it really is high time we get rid of those damn social roles from the descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by aut0
    No but he enjoys posting about work related stuff, work is work, its serious for me, I don't enjoy work. I work so that I can appreciate the finer things in life.

    ESI from Wikisocion:

    Common social roles

    1. The moralist who is quick to judge people for good and bad behavior, finds fault easily, and punishes just as easily.
    2. The devoted worker who quietly and unfailingly fulfills his or her duty and expects the same from others.
    3. The sentimental yet tenacious achiever who has a very strong motivation to achieve a specific prestigious career goal, yet has a great deal of interpersonal sensitivity and often insecurity.
    it really is high time we get rid of those damn social roles from the descriptions.
    Hm, maybe I'm grasping at straws. But he doesn't come off as Alpha at all, http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Alpha_Quadra what exactly is he like in that? I see more similarities with Gamma: http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Gamma_Quadra

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    @ Courage/UDP

    I cannot figure out your type, but (strictly) personally I would prefer you stop calling yourself ESTJ.
    It just reminds me of Smilingeys too much.
    Socionics type is not a motivational tool you pick up when you feel like you need one.

    PS As the sig says - send me a PM.
    In your opinion, who do you think is an actual ESTj here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    In your opinion, who do you think is an actual ESTj here?
    Hmm, sometimes I wonder how I come across...
    Cracka probably, but I have not followed most posters well enough.

    And before you consult me:
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    UDP is funny... (because he's taking himself soooo seriously )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla
    Who sits down and draws the little 'm's on all of the M&Ms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    In your opinion, who do you think is an actual ESTj here?
    Hmm, sometimes I wonder how I come across...
    Cracka probably, but I have not followed most posters well enough.
    My type will be up for discussion in the near future as I hope that the few people who actually meet me in real life next week in Nashville will finally be able to shed some light on my actual type instead of the internet persona I come across as. Hopefully this will open up yours and the few others here who still doubt my type, or maybe prove you right, we shall see. Your opinion is noted. :wink:

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    My stance on your type remains the same: Gamma rational.

    At this point I'm inclined to think ESI > LIE, but it's hard to tell with you. However, I have a really hard time seeing you with a Ni PoLR. I also think it's apparent that you value Se. Again though, I don't think your type will be apparent until you have more experience with serious, long term relationships.
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    I suggested ESI for Courage/UDP some time ago, because he seemed to value the right functions, including Ni; as Joy also said, he doesn't seem to have a Ni PoLR. As for Te, it seems more Te dual-seeking than Te dominant.

    But I'm not that persuaded of the last point. I think LIE or LSE is possible. I don't have a strong opinion either way. It's not like with some other people here, in whose case I go "wtf?" when they adopt a type.
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    So it is easier to see me with an Ne polr Joy?



    @Carla: my life is drastically different now then when I came to this forum, still in highschool. Do not forget about that. Objectively, I think it would be wrong to say that my life is exactly the same as it was when I came to the forum, and then, just because, I decided to change my type. Obviously my life circumstances are not going to "change my type", but they are going to change how I express it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    as Joy also said, he doesn't seem to have a Ni PoLR.
    Expand upon this, either of you.



    And, why do you see me as an SF?
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    ISFj is possible. Courage is a noble guy and whenever I read his posts, I'm impressed by his discliplined and no nonsense lifestyle and yet stressed out by his seriousness at times. He makes me feel that I'm the most self-centered person in the world. Maybe, I'm kind of sensitive, but, I feel that some of his posts are rather intense and I feel uncomfortable by his replies sometimes. No offense here, but sometimes I feel that he makes a mountain out of the molehill e.g. his reply to me regarding my comments about his type. He can sound a little.....erm.....rude at times when he is defending himself.

    Come to think of it, maybe it got to do with my PoLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    as Joy also said, he doesn't seem to have a Ni PoLR.
    Expand upon this, either of you.
    I will assume a "please" is implicit.

    You're not a person who's mainly focused on the moment, certainly not here. You're very often wondering about life's perspectives and meaning, about what you are going to do, what kind of partner you are likely to have or should have, etc. These seem to be the main focus of your thoughts generally. Even some of your avatars suggest Ni (not that tha'ts very important).


    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    And, why do you see me as an SF?
    I do not see you as an "SF", that's not how I go about typing.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    as Joy also said, he doesn't seem to have a Ni PoLR.
    Expand upon this, either of you.
    I will assume a "please" is implicit.

    You're not a person who's mainly focused on the moment, certainly not here. You're very often wondering about life's perspectives and meaning, about what you are going to do, what kind of partner you are likely to have or should have, etc. These seem to be the main focus of your thoughts generally. Even some of your avatars suggest Ni (not that tha'ts very important).


    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    And, why do you see me as an SF?
    I do not see you as an "SF", that's not how I go about typing.
    if you please, lol,

    i agree with the part about perspectives and meaning and Ni. so if we assume that udp has Ni in his ego block, then it's either Fe or Te in the other part of the ego block.

    or we could say that udp values Ni. that he is on a creative quest. that he is dual seeking or fulfilling his hidden agenda. which would suggest either Se/Ti in the ego block or Se/Fi in the ego block.

    i don't see udp as being all that forceful, even creatively forceful.

    so we are back to either infp, enfj, entj, or intp.

    i don't get that leader feeling that would flow from enfj or entj. i definitely don't get any Fe from udp...therefore i deduce...intp.

    :-) there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    ISFj is possible. Courage is a noble guy and whenever I read his posts, I'm impressed by his discliplined and no nonsense lifestyle and yet stressed out by his seriousness at times. He makes me feel that I'm the most self-centered person in the world. Maybe, I'm kind of sensitive, but, I feel that some of his posts are rather intense and I feel uncomfortable by his replies sometimes. No offense here, but sometimes I feel that he makes a mountain out of the molehill e.g. his reply to me regarding my comments about his type. He can sound a little.....erm.....rude at times when he is defending himself.

    Come to think of it, maybe it got to do with my PoLR.
    Again, I have been under a lot of stress lately, so my posting has been different the last week. Finally, vacation is here and exams are over. My reaction to you was indicative of being stressed - I have nothing personal against you, Eunice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    as Joy also said, he doesn't seem to have a Ni PoLR.
    Expand upon this, either of you.
    I will assume a "please" is implicit.

    You're not a person who's mainly focused on the moment, certainly not here. You're very often wondering about life's perspectives and meaning, about what you are going to do, what kind of partner you are likely to have or should have, etc. These seem to be the main focus of your thoughts generally. Even some of your avatars suggest Ni (not that that's very important).
    (Yes, please is implicit.)

    The problem with that argument is it really takes away from being ISFj, doesn't it? Are they not supposed to be the ones who are so focused on the moment they are in need of the ENTjs Ni?
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    Courage, choose one of the following.

    I'd rather talk to someone who:
    • 1.) Gives me a lot of ideas and opens my eyes to many different possibilities. It bothers me when someone tells me that something I'm trying to do is a bad idea. I prefer that someone suggests possibilities than try to tell me whether one possible course of action is a good or bad idea (and why). There's no way they could possibly know that for sure anyways.

      2.) Gives me direction. I appreciate help from someone I trust in developing long term goals and strategies. I like knowing that my present course of action will pay off in the long term. I want to know whether something is a good idea or a bad idea than to be presented with even more ideas. Ideas that sound good are just stressful for me if I don't know how it will work out. I need to know what problems could arise, and what can be done about them.

      3.) Provides consistent and dependable energy output. I'm not always good at keeping up with everyday tasks such as chores and errands, so I greatly appreciate anyone who can stay on top of those things so I don't have to deal worry about them. I also tend to get myself involved in large, ambitious projects without fully considering the amount of effort and energy they'll take. I'm usually enthusiastic about such projects and can put a lot into them, but it takes its toll. Once a big stage of the project is complete, I'm sometimes burnt out because I didn't pace myself. For this reason I appreciate help from someone who can help prevent burnout without my having to worry about it.


    I'm not happy with the last choice, so I may repost the question later when I have time to come up with something better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Courage, choose one of the following.

    I'd rather talk to someone who:
    • 1.) Gives me a lot of ideas and opens my eyes to many different possibilities. It bothers me when someone tells me that something I'm trying to do is a bad idea. I prefer that someone suggests possibilities than try to tell me whether one possible course of action is a good or bad idea (and why). There's no way they could possibly know that for sure anyways.
    • Out of the three, I suppose this one is something I most relate to.




      2.) Gives me direction. I appreciate help from someone I trust in developing long term goals and strategies. I like knowing that my present course of action will pay off in the long term. I want to know whether something is a good idea or a bad idea than to be presented with even more ideas. Ideas that sound good are just stressful for me if I don't know how it will work out. I need to know what problems could arise, and what can be done about them.
      I like direction, and I like doing things that pay off in the long run, but I don't need help knowing whether something is productive or not. I am the one who cautions other people about this, particularly in my role as President. "Ideas that sound good are just stressful for me if I don't know how it will work out" - I would never say or think that, I do not relate to that sentence, in particular. How can an idea "sound good" if you don't know how it will work out?




      3.) Provides consistent and dependable energy output.
      Provides? Who? I don't need someone to provide me with any energy.
      I'm not always good at keeping up with everyday tasks such as chores and errands, so I greatly appreciate anyone who can stay on top of those things so I don't have to deal worry about them.
      I don't suck at it, I rather enjoy organizing my room and keeping my quarters running smoothly. Few things are as relaxing as when all my work is done, particularly on a Friday afternoon, and I can come back to my room and do my laundry and make sure everything is in order. I'm going to to it again after I finish this post, as, finally, all my exams are done : ).
      I also tend to get myself involved in large, ambitious projects without fully considering the amount of effort and energy they'll take. I'm usually enthusiastic about such projects and can put a lot into them, but it takes its toll. Once a big stage of the project is complete, I'm sometimes burnt out because I didn't pace myself. For this reason I appreciate help from someone who can help prevent burnout without my having to worry about it.
    I enjoy (obviously) getting involved in large projects, but I certainly do avoid considering the amount of effort and energy it takes. If there is one thing that is reinforced by this semester it is that I hate being rushed, and I hate cutting corners and doing things at sub par quality. It is not appealing. Today, I had an exam, and I didn't have time to shower in the morning because it was so intense and there was so much going on. But after it was done, and I came home, it felt great to shower, and I put on my business attire - it felt like I could be me again, and not have to rush, and wear my preferred business style.

    ...Yeah, the last one is an ENTj profile, I know. You've probably shown this one to me before.
    Look, I get that it is EJ temperment, which I relate to, but I do not get burnt out, or at least very much try not to. It is just not effective, and it stresses me out too much to be that way. My quality drops dramatically. (see above)

    I don't drink coffee or tea, and I've never had to at any time in my life, and I doubt I ever will in the future. It is just a matter of how much sleep you get, and I know the consequences of when I do and when I do not. Sleep makes a huge difference. I don't take pills for anything, either.
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    ISFp, like me!

    Same with forcemyhand.

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    ISFp, like me!

    Same with forcemyhand.

    You are serious about that, aren't you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aut0
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    alpha/delta type. this much is certain.
    Disagree, all his posts revolve around some form of work, student office, jobs, meetings etc.
    Sometimes that's all life looks like - regardless of one's type.

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    OK here's a question that might tell us something.

    UDP - you're old enough to vote this time around. Whom are you voting for and why? Or, if you haven't decided, which candidates do you like most or least and why?


    (edited to add disclaimer - no I don't think you can tell a person's type by how he/she votes, but the WHY part can tell quite a bit)
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    The long and short of it is:

    No one has 'inspired' me enough to say, yes, this is the candidate I will vote for and support for this election. I have not done much research at this time, so, I really have no answer for you.


    Good try though, I think that is generally a reasonable question for this purpose.
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    I wrote all 3 descriptions just now.

    From your answers... I have no idea. I'm not sure what to make of some of it, but I definitely don't think it rules anything out. I think blaze made a good point (in another thread) about life experience. I think life stages play a huge role, too. You're also pretty into this LSE idea, which makes it difficult to figure out what's you and what's you exploring the role of LSE. I don't mean to irritate you by saying this, but your demeanor and behavior has changed so much since you started thinking of yourself as LSE. I've done the same with other types, and I really don't think there's anything wrong with that, either. So... enjoy it, I guess. As for your type, only time will tell.
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    The long and short of it is:

    No one has 'inspired' me enough to say, yes, this is the candidate I will vote for and support for this election. I have not done much research at this time, so, I really have no answer for you.


    Good try though, I think that is generally a reasonable question for this purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    The problem with that argument is it really takes away from being ISFj, doesn't it? Are they not supposed to be the ones who are so focused on the moment they are in need of the ENTjs Ni?
    That's not how it works.

    ISFjs are in need of the ENTjs' Ni precisely because it's something they value, but tend to feel they need help with. Just like ENTjs with Se.

    ESTjs focus on the moment and see no problem with it.
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    Also worth noting is that we like to think our 6th functions are strong... so an ISxj will enjoy having a smart long term plan and feeling on top of their long term goals and related matters.
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    so an ISxj will enjoy having a smart long term plan and feeling on top of their long term goals and related matters.
    Yes. The difference in relation to ENTjs is that ISFjs will have occasions where their Se will overrule their Ni in a "this can't wait" way and try to make things happen right now. Just like ENTjs will have moments of excessive procrastination. Together, they balance each other out.
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    I think the Ni hidden agenda shines through the most in more long term things. When it comes to shorter term matters, they're IJ, have a Ne PoLR, are tacticians, and have weak Ni... they're not going to relish the idea of waiting to do something that needs to be done only because it doesn't need to be done for another week. (Of course, it depends on what that thing is, but you get the idea.)
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    why do you (joy and expat) see Ni polr as impossible or unlikely?

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