Passionate desire to avoid committing errors

[Hugo]

Is this true for Betas?

[PotatoSpirit]

Could work for me, not sure if it's beta... sounds more alpha+beta+gamma+delta

[Ezra]

Could work for me, not sure if it's beta... sounds more alpha+beta+gamma+delta

Agreed.

[marooned]

why does everything about Beta have to be passionate?

[Kristiina]

why does everything about Beta have to be passionate?

Because everyone knows betas are good at sex.

(PS! It's not me, it's the fever talking. Really!)

[FDG]

Could work for me, not sure if it's beta... sounds more alpha+beta+gamma+delta

u make me proud of being italian <3

[PotatoSpirit]

u make me proud of being italian <3

aaaaawwwww I like you too (c:
But we are falling behind on the sex jokes, I don't know how you managed on your own (c:

[Creepy-bg]

why does everything about Beta have to be passionate?

Because everyone knows betas are good at sex.

I don't... so which one of you betas is gunna help me learn a life lesson?

[Kristiina]

why does everything about Beta have to be passionate?

Because everyone knows betas are good at sex.

I don't... so which one of you betas is gunna help me learn a life lesson?

lol, Potatospirit! FDG! Come, It's time for the sex jokes and . Bionic needs your help!

...oh! only women allowed. Oh you're so picky.

[Creepy-bg]

* covers ass and backs out of the beta forum *

[Kristiina]

* covers ass and backs out of the beta forum *

lol, don't be like that. Don't give up - convince Herzy to save you from the guys...

Oh wait. Would it be illegal? The age difference and all. How old is Herzy?

[Creepy-bg]

yeah... that would just be weird. I'm like twice as old as her I think (not that it wouldn't be fun (for me at least ))

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[Hugo]

I don't think other quadra have a "passionate desire" to avoid committing errors.

[lefty]

Is this true for Betas?

If the end product for Deltas is the ESTJ and their hidden agenda is to be perfect then I'd say its more of a Delta thing. Also The gammas and deltas are the first and second levels of correction, i think, where as alphas come up with the ideas and betas tend to impliment them.

i think betas are more focused on getting results regardless of some amount of errors. wheras estjs are pathological. ESFJ & ESTJ want to be perfect. Its nauseating.

lefty, enfj, 4w5

[So Crazy]

I think we are just good at not committing errors...we arent clumsy.

Im just careful, i dont see whats so bad about that...

[lefty]

I think we are just good at not committing errors...we arent clumsy.

Im just careful, i dont see whats so bad about that...

I think ESTJs can be hardcore backstabbers in order to make themselves look good. This is why I say its pathalogical...It come down to being delluded that you dont make errors and if there are any reminders that you do you then there's hell to pay.

Also I think ESTJ's aren't that good an accomlishing heavy amounts of work. They can be anti-social and rude, too (as can all deltas).

When a person wants to be perfect then they can try to arrange reality to hide the fact that they aren't.

lefty
enfj 4w5

[Pierreuse]

It seems like more of a delta thing. Every delta I know gets sort of mental about this sort of thing, especially when OTHER people make mistakes.

I myself am extremely laid back about mistakes, but I hate it when people don't want to FIX their mistakes (if they actually can). I know one IEI and one EIE who are very OCD and need everything to be perfect and flip out if it's not and will take it out on someone, like my EIE friend who recruited me to help her sculpt fondant for a cake she had baked on commission and she acted extremely disappointed and betrayed when I couldn't make a Pikachu out of fondant even though I had never used fondant, lol. She later told me in the car that she basically has a meltdown whenever something she has made or worked on isn't PERFECT in the end. I think it's more of an enneagram 3 thing though. Most people I know who act like this are E3.

I tend to make a fair amount of errors myself but not as many as plenty of my friends who are also Ni-egos. I just don't take it too seriously and think everyone should be allowed a chance to fix their mistakes as long as it isn't hurting anyone too much.

[Scapegrace]

Oh look. A Hugo thread.

*gag*

[Scapegrace]

Well, it was written by Hugo.

[Pierreuse]

She's doing it on commission, right? Doesn't the finished product matter in a commission? Why did you volunteer if you didn't know you could do it?

I didn't volunteer, I was recruited. "You're going to do this for me now because I need help and it has to be finished by this time and I can't do it alone." etc etc. She's a professional baker and knew I had no experience baking, and fondant is extremely difficult for novices to work with because it hardens rapidly and then you can't really use it. I offered to do the easy parts, but she was insistent upon doing them herself. She's sort of the "do whatever seems more fun and don't overthink it then freak out when it blows up in your face" kind of girl though.

[Pierreuse]

I'm assuming you weren't forced at gunpoint to do this, so I'm not sure why you didn't refuse if you knew the outcome would be worse than just letting her do it herself. ;P

I had never done it before and didn't exactly know what I was getting myself into. And I'm not really sure why it matters?

[DirectorAbbie]

I think it's true of E1s.

[Korpsy Knievel]

I think it's true of E1s.

A similar thought occurred to me regarding the thread's title.

[Park]

I hate mistakes that come from negligence and unpreparedness, and I tend to be extremely critical of others' work/work ethic. I hold myself to certain standards, and I expect the same from others. I hate half-assed jobs, and I can't stand having to deal with errors and repercussions coming from people or organizations authorized, qualified, certified, making money out of something they didn't do right.

[Park]

Also I think ESTJ's aren't that good an accomlishing heavy amounts of work. They can be anti-social and rude, too (as can all deltas).

This holds true for me. I can only accomplish heavy amounts of work if I'm given the appropriate amount of time and conditions needed to work on each item/facet individually. And this, I think, plays a very significant role in deciding whether I'll undertake something or not. If it's too much and I feel like more than just a few compromises have to be made... I won't do it.

i think betas are more focused on getting results regardless of some amount of errors.

I'm the other way around usually. Do less, but do it right, god damn it.

I'm not really a "big picture" thinker, and getting results for me usually implies "moving forward" and making progress in the right direction (and in the right way), rather than reaching a certain point of accomplishment/success regardless of how I got there and how things fit on a smaller scale.

The title of this thread is so awkward.

Sounds kinda sexy when you say it out loud.

[InvisibleJim]

Generally when I see thread titles and I like to consider if a different context is sensible, Does 'other type' wish to passionately avoid commiting errors.

The answer to the OP is yes

[Pierreuse]

It seems to me that you're whining a bit and blaming your friend, or blaming this weird circumstantial happening on Socionics. I don't think it's the most helpful approach; personally I think you would be better served owning your share of the mishap instead of putting it on your friend. (Not sure if you're meaning to do that, and I don't mean any harm by this.)

Everyone makes mistakes, Dolphin. I think you're taking this all a bit too seriously. Let's just drop it.

[jughead]

I hate mistakes that come from negligence and unpreparedness, and I tend to be extremely critical of others' work/work ethic. I hold myself to certain standards, and I expect the same from others. I hate half-assed jobs, and I can't stand having to deal with errors and repercussions coming from people or organizations authorized, qualified, certified, making money out of something they didn't do right.

There in a nutshell is the issue. "Work ethic" as is typically defined feels like and is a straight-jacket of limiting work. Scrooge workaholic types.Work to consume products, so your master grows richer.

[Park]

"Work ethic" as is typically defined feels like and is a straight-jacket of limiting work. Scrooge workaholic types.Work to consume products, so your master grows richer.

No, it's quite the opposite. Work ethic makes work more valuable and increases it's potential. Work ethics aims for quality of service, consumer respect, self-respect, self-accomplishment, mutual satisfaction, righteous earning, promoting morals, and making progress in as many aspects of humanity as it can reach. To sum up, it's about giving a shit.