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I've seen Jan Helfeld interviews in the past and would agree with you that he argumentative style relies heavily on Ti. As to intertype relationships, it depends on who is being interviewed. In some of the interviews, the interviewee sees where Helfeld is going and attempts to clearly define and limit the scope of terms, slow down and clarify Helfeld's logical progression, thus effectively fighting Ti with Ti (with varying success rates). In other interviews, the interviewee is caught completely offguard with Helfeld's setup and reverts to using some completely different tactic including emotional outbursts and ad hominem attacks. Other interviewees prefer to rely on common sense or big-picture reasoning to justify or dismiss the more minute logical inconsistencies that Helfeld exposes (or attempts to expose). I don't have enough info from these clips to conclude what specific intertype relationships are playing out other than to say that the interviewees react with varying IM elements.
On a side note, I've often used this socratic style of arguing myself due to the number of strategic (and arguably unfair) advantages it provides to the user. It is also utilized by virtually every law school professor in the country to force law students to identify flaws in their reasoning.
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So, the reason why I picked these videos is because I think shows in a very clear way how different quadra values react when confronted with a particular style of reasoning.
So, the first video I found extremely interesting simply because of the juxtaposition in video and interview form of the interplay of the philosophy of basic absolute truths and principles and a more postmodern view of relativism, an acceptance and tolerance of seemingly contradictory things in perceived reality.
In my opinion, the first video (with Oliphant) demonstrates how logic is handled by what I perceive as Delta quadra values.
Oh, and bump for discojoe because he will undoubtedly find the subject matter interesting.
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One clear thing about this person is that he is rational.
However the basis of his argumentation style is ethical, which by it's Should/Should Not orientation. This however does not lead to onotological contradiction, only to conflict.
The problem is Jan rarely bothers with the differentiates between ontological(being) statements versus moral statements.
Moral statements are by their nature dialectical. Good(tm) vs Evil(tm). Communism vs Capitalism. Individualism vs Collectivism. Moral standpoints exists in conflict(not contradiction) between and within individuals and groups within nature.
All rational elements are rational, and follow the mechanics of reason. The introverted rational elements as these are based in static relations between objects. But we need to differentiate between them based on ontology verse ethics.
To apply the principle of non-contradiction to ethics is actually in denial of the fundamental basis of non-contradiction which is in the ontological(being). Aristotle himself did not place ethics in the area of certain knowledge but practical knowledge.
As a whole Jan starts from a ethical perspective not a ontological perspective and by apply the principle of non-contradiction to a ethical endeavor, he has actually done what he has accused his interviewees of doing which is lifted his mind away from reality into magical reality.
The basis of his argument is ethical and rational but I think not ontological.
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