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    The type that I'm claiming to be now??

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    Isn't it already about best fit? Isn't that rather the point?

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    dee, 'best fit' is what you are. This is what socionics is.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    dee, the point is that we don't HAVE to pretend; that's how Socionics already works

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    Okay, I'm going to hazard a guess... Are you maybe stuck in the fuzzy area between which type(s) you like the best (or would prefer to be) and which one(s) might fit best? Like when you say "best fit" what do you mean by that? How do you think others are typed if not by what fits them the best? ???

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    if socionics was about "best fit" too, which type you be?
    Too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    let's pretend for a sec.
    Oh! Can I pretend I'm sitting in a chair, too? Or better yet, could I pretend that I'm writing a post?

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    dee, you seem very, very stuck on your type.

    I assume that most of these threads are in some way related to your typing.

    I think you're probably ILE. I see Ne > Ni, Si > Se, Ti > Te and Fe > Fi. On top of this, EP temperament is pretty much obvious to all (anyone want to dispute that?), and you are most likely of the NT club.

    Do you find anything wrong with ILE, or does anything not fit?
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Guess #2: Does it seem to you that others are unfairly labeling you as a type or types that don't match your self-concept, so Socionics then begins to appear like this thing where we all label each other as certain types until enough people agree on the same type for a person and then that is declared their type by popular vote (so to speak)? Which could be your way of saying it isn't fair how people are saying you are certain types that you don't feel you are?

    So by your question you might mean: what if we actually went according to what really fits people rather than declaring people to be types that they are not for whatever reasons?

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    Count me in. I want to play the "Let's pretend your actual Socionics type fits you better than any of the other possible Socionics types!" game.

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    Quite the sarcasm. dee wants to know his type, and he's finding it difficult. Not everyone is as confident as you might be, Joy.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Default Re: if socionics was about "best fit" too, which t

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    yeah, which?
    Wow, you really need to work on explaining things.


    Don't you realize people have absolutely no idea where you are coming from when you write a title like that, and then an opening post such as that?
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    Okay, then my answer is "ILI more often than not".

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    I'll be LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    let's pretend for a sec.
    It would be real easy to say "major Te polr"

    It is like you are going further and further away from productivity, for what? The sake of wondering around about something that doesn't even matter?
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    I still don't understand this "too" (or "2") thing though.

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    Are you talking to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    deviations from the accustommed (even if wrong, not saying it is, just i see the lack of common understanding and a lack of undrestanding of information elemenets especially of some elements, on this forum) matter to *you* i noticed, mr. LSI. now why don't you take typings of me to my thread?
    More than you realize, apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Are you talking to me?
    no, UDP
    I hoped so. UDP's an LSE. I'm an LSI now.

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    And now the title of this thread has changed completely??

    MBTI?

    What is going on here?


    if socionics were like MBTI, what is your best fit profile?
    Was it not earlier something about being "best fit" amongst two types (socionic types?)
    Why would you change the title like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    i mean the written profiles out there, just like in MBTI.
    You're getting more confusing with each post. You are remarkably unclear about things....
    The title is extremely poor. MBTI should not even be here.


    What you are trying to say is: "based on the written descriptions of the types, if you had to pick two types that best fit you, what would they be and why?" -- right?
    (Still, my position remains the same on such matters, as I said in earlier posts in this thread)

    You should immediately take MBTI out of the title, because it has nothing to do with this thread. It looks totally out of place, rushed, and makes you look really.... disgruntled, disorganized, and incompetent. It is hard to believe you seriously thought that was the best title for this thread.
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    Hopefully it is constructive. I have nothing personally against you. I have a feeling it did not help much, as, I may possibly be coming from your opposite psychological disposition and it just seems like I am trying to personally attack you or something. But that is my honest, unaltered, "reaction". Hopefully it can be taken into consideration as you determine your type and our intertype relation.
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    I have drunken too much cheap French wine, I'm not sure I understand the question.

    Is it, "what socionics type you are if you forget functions and go only for type descriptions"? Is that it?

    The Stratievskaya ENTj profile is a very accurate description of myself, as is Meged's description of ENTj logical subtype.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    This is of course a valid exercise, but personally I don't recommend it for self-typing.

    People read descriptions in different ways, and their authors also write them from different perspectives. When I first discovered Stratievskaya's descriptions, since it was so easy for me to identify with the ENTj one, I made the mistake of assuming that everyone would be able to find their types the same way . Later I realized that since Vera Stratievskaya herself is ISFj, her way of writing descriptions is particularly useful, and accurate, for Gammas and ENTj and ISFj in particular, but not so for the other quadras.

    The other descriptions have different strengths, and weaknesses.

    The point is that once you truly understand classical socionics, you don't even need descriptions anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    i just wanted to open minds of people so they can use the MBTI style approach if they wish IF they are only stuck up on coming to the profiles through functions.
    It has nothing to do with "opening minds" or being "stuck up". IF you understand what the functions are, you can type a person without having to compare them to any profile.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    MBTI and socionics is essentially the same.
    No, unless you use a very broad definition of "essentially".

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    the ONLY difference is the structure of the model and function of individual cells, and the definitions of information elements. this results in unrealistic profiles (not sure if the sequence is such), so you can only get a best fit. why can't you get a best fit in socionics? it's just it's going to be a tighter fit, right?
    Any attempt to make everyone fit into 16 profiles will result in some people being more difficult to fit into any of them than some other people.

    So it's better to understand types beyond profiles. Profiles are limiting.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    We are writing profiles in the Wikisocion. Only a few are complete, but eventually we will have a good collection there.


    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    i agree, but i mean say if you got an XXXx in a test and look up a profile and it doesn't fit and the test says you have a dichotomy S/N say borderline, then you look to at that profile, etc., just like in MBTI. that could be a good method, don't you reckon? i know it sounds overly simplistic, but some people get so stuck up that things like this can really be of help!
    But that happens not because MBTI is better, but because it's a dead-end. In MBTI, once you decide on a type - whether by tests or by looking into descriptions - that's basically it, unless you have mistyped yourself so badly that it's obvious to others, even in MBTI.

    The socionics types are based on functional preferences that are easier to spot by those skilled in it, which is why socionics is more "annoying" in this respect, with people readier to say others have mistyped themselves. To me it's a strength of socionics, not a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    like you get so many people who would LOVE to have a look at profiles. that means there are not enough out there.
    No, it doesn't really mean anything. It could mean we need to make better profiles, but also, have better means - a better process - for people learning their types, as opposed to just gazing at profiles.


    When people do that they are prone to do what you do and see ".55" of yourself in just about every profile, which is not learning socionics at all. It just makes things vague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    When I first discovered Stratievskaya's descriptions, since it was so easy for me to identify with the ENTj one, I made the mistake of assuming that everyone would be able to find their types the same way . Later I realized that since Vera Stratievskaya herself is ISFj, her way of writing descriptions is particularly useful, and accurate, for Gammas and ENTj and ISFj in particular, but not so for the other quadras.
    Are Stratievskaya's descriptions available in English, or did you read them in Russian?

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