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    Default Correlating four temperaments and socionics types

    I suppose the 16 types from socionics come from the classical 4 temperaments developed originally by Hippocrate:

    See if this is correct:

    melancholic INTj - INFj - ISFj - ISTj

    phlegmatic INTp - INFp - ISFp - ISTp

    choleric ENTp - ENFp - ESFp - ESTp

    sanguinic ENTj - ENFj - ESFj - ESTj


    As can be noticed, the groups are either j/p types as a common charactheristic and also either introvert/extrovert

    Moreover in each group (melancholic etc) there is one representative of a Socion group, which are also 4. Thus, it goes like this:

    melancholic groupie
    INTj - belongs to Alpha quadra of socion
    INFj - belongs to Delta quadra of socion
    ISFj - belongs to Gamma quadra of socion
    ISTj - belongs to Beta quadra of socion

    The same is with the others

    And also the melancholic make great team, based on socionics intertype relationships, with the sanguinic
    while the phlegmatic make great team with the choleric

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    Some ENTp are sanguine, I am not sure if there is a direct correspondance.

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    rmcnew, I think you agree with me that a type of a person is the general way that he/she behaves. But that doesn't mean we don't have any characteristics of other types at all.
    More simply said, for me a person doesn't fit strictly in one type. A person is a mix of all types, but only one is dominant.

    Myself I am 100% convinced I am an INTj, this I knew it from the first moment, but I also manifest some characteristics of INFj, for example.
    As you can see these types are both melancholic, so I guess it makes sense

    So I hope this is for once cleared up

    Leaving aside these minor obstacles, do you think is generally correct this correlation?

    Look, you yourself confessed you don't get along with ISFj, maybe that's because you are part of conflicting groups melancholic vs choleric? haha, one more thing to sustain my correlation

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    I am actually a sanguine, which is why I do not necessarily think that there is necessarily a 1/1 correlation ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    I am actually a sanguine, which is why I do not necessarily think that there is necessarily a 1/1 correlation ...
    Bullshit!
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    I think that I'm a sanguine. I'm not sure, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    I am actually a sanguine, which is why I do not necessarily think that there is necessarily a 1/1 correlation ...
    Bullshit!
    Hah! Rocky, I would not really expect you to know ...

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    People who know in real life have said I am Sanguine, my mother also gave me a test once that said I am a Sanguine.

    Really, I am too jumpy bubbly to be a meloncholly choleric ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut


    I think that I'm a sanguine. I'm not sure, though.
    Herzblut, take a look at the other types descriptions in the choleric group and tell me if you are more like that than any other group.

    rmcnew, do you think you are more like the types from the sanguine group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugu_ baba
    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut


    I think that I'm a sanguine. I'm not sure, though.
    Herzblut, take a look at the other types descriptions in the choleric group and tell me if you are more like that than any other group.

    rmcnew, do you think you are more like the types from the sanguine group?
    I have already said that I do not really think that there is necessarily a direct correspondance, but I do have some very obvious Judgemental tendencies, and so does my ISFp mother ... That might have something to do with me being more Sanguine if that was the case.

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    What makes you think you are rather P than j, then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugu_ baba
    What makes you think you are rather P than j, then ?
    Because I am non-biased towards other peoples points of view until I make a conscious decision upon which is better for myself. Then, I defend the issue like a shark. Plus, the only introverted or J type I could be is INTj, and I really do not totally match INTj functionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugu_ baba
    What makes you think you are rather P than j, then ?
    ... because the P and J dichotomies are stupid.
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    J/P are difficult to grasp but... the thing is that people who are rational J may be perceived that the are irrational P and on the opposite. If you make a plan and follow it no matter what - you are J. If you are flexible and change plans or can do something out of plan and do not think the time is wasted or can quickly change you plans without feeling beeing lost - you are P.

    As regards to temperaments I am flegamtic. Melancholie if for intuitive introverts.
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    Toy with emphasis on different keywords there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_four_humours

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    I think Exxj are more choleric, Exxp more sanguine

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    Alright, I found some definitions on the 4 temeperaments

    The Choleric (Worker) is:

    Extroverted - Determined - Demanding - Domineering - Controlling - Practical - Self-reliant - Decisive - Independent - Confident - Goal-oriented - Risk-taker - Aggressive - Insensitive - Impatient

    The Sanguine (Talker) is:

    Extroverted - Enthusiastic - Emotional - Sociable - Impulsive - Articulate - Optimistic - Persuasive - Self-absorbed - Generous - Egotistical - Charming - Unorganized - Playful - Personable

    The Phlegmatic (Watcher) is:

    Introverted - Accommodating - Harmonious - Agreeable - Indecisive - Uninvolved - Sympathetic - Undermining - Patient - Supportive - Stable - Possessive - Passive - Selfish - Tolerant

    The Melancholy (Thinker) is:

    Introverted - Analytical - Thoughtful - Organized - Critical - Detailed - Pessimistic - Sensitive - Diplomatic - Economical - Loyal - Introspective - Private - Conscientious - Moody

    Here is the source: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Boe11.html

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    So...

    Choleric= Extraverted Rationales.

    Sanguine= Extraverted Irrationales.

    Phlegmatic= Introverted Irrationales.

    Melancholly= Introverted Rationales.

    ??

    Although, I don't agree with the phlegmatic description 100%...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga
    As regards to temperaments I am flegamtic. Melancholie if for intuitive introverts.
    INTps are also intuitive introverts and they are rather phlegmatic
    This is an important difference between INTjs and INTps, where

    INTjs = melancholic

    INTps = phlegmatic

    Of course that putting together 4 types in one category means there is a larger discrepancy within the group, but I think it could work like a scale

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    Some parts of the Melanchlic descriptions also seems to fit ILI:s very well too, just as a few words in the phlegmatic description could fit LII:s... Those descrptions do not seem to nail everything, but fit on the whole comparably well.

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    All parts of the phlegmatic description that apply to INTps when they are acting shyly:

    Introverted - Accommodating - Harmonious - Agreeable - Indecisive - Uninvolved - Sympathetic - Undermining - Patient - Supportive - Stable - Possessive - Passive - Selfish - Tolerant

    And when acting NOT shyly:

    Possessive - Selfish

    So it's all about social masks and stuff.
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    I do not think there is a direct correlation, because "temperment" I understand to mean how quickly one responds to a stimulus, and how long the reaction endures, whereas type is a more global measure that deals with information-processing as a whole.

    However, if there is any correlation, I think it may be found to the highest degree with this conversion:

    Phlegmatic: ST
    Melancholic: NT
    Choleric: NF
    Sanguine: SP

    For example, the consensus here seems to be that ISTJ is melancholic. But I would have say phlegmatic because the ST factor simply keeps him too even-keeled to slip into melancholy (or to rise to prolonged sanguinity). Also, I never thought of the ISFJ as sanguine.

    However, it's not a perfect correlation. INFJ's can be melancholic (think Goethe - or an English major I once knew who was the poster child for INFJ but was clearly melancholic). Also, ESFP's can be choleric - or quite sanguine (I've seen both.) ENTJ's can be choleric, etc.

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    The ST in the above chart should be SJ, and the ISFJ comment in the next paragraph is totally irrelevant. I was thinking of something else and it slipped in.

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    Why use Kiersay temperments? What do they have to do with socionics?
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