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    How it is we have so much information, but know so little?

    We shouldn't be looking for heroes, we should be looking for good ideas.

    The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't know how to be submissive, and so on -- because they're dysfunctional to the institutions.

    Education is a system of imposed ignorance.

    The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.

    Optimism is a strategy for making a better future. Because unless you believe that the future can be better, you are unlikely to step up and take responsibility for making it so.

    Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.

    For the powerful, crimes are those that others commit.
    See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.

    I was never aware of any other option but to question everything.

    All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.

    I think it only makes sense to seek out and identify structures of authority, hierarchy, and domination in every aspect of life, and to challenge them; unless a justification for them can be given, they are illegitimate, and should be dismantled, to increase the scope of human freedom.

    That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything.

    Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune.

    It is quite possible--overwhelmingly probable, one might guess--that we will always learn more about human life and personality from novels than from scientific psychology.







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    I’ve heard that he isn't much into impractical theories. So I’m not too sure about him being any kind of N.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naom_Ch...munities<br />

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    INTp?

    The antithesis of Ayn Rand.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    INTp?

    The antithesis of Ayn Rand.
    How is INTp the antithesis of Ayn Rand? Ayn Rand oozes .
    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    I meant his political leanings.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    Alan Greenspan(INTp,or atleast I think) supported Ayn Rand's theories.

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    What's your point?

    My typing him of an INTp has nothing to do with his political ideology.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    then perhaps you'll enjoy this: http://rubberducky.org/cgi-bin/chomsky.pl

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    LII or ILI?

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    Or ILE?
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    Much of his stuff is right?
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    surely his political work shows

    but his work in linquistics seems to me more oriented...

    personally I tend to think ILI which would seem to support both

    however I'm not the best at typing...

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    then again he seems to express emotions (facially) more so than ILI... perhaps LII or ILE is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    surely his political work shows

    but his work in linquistics seems to me more oriented...

    personally I tend to think ILI which would seem to support both

    however I'm not the best at typing...
    Ha, goes to show what I know...I'm only familiar with some of his linguistic works...that was what I was referring to as Te.
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    [quote="implied"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    what about his linguistics work seems oriented to you, just out of curiosity?
    Honestly I have nothing to back that up, just a gut hunch. probably wrong...

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    yes I can see being a better catagorizing of his linquistics work... excuse my rash posting.

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    I don't know Noam Chomsky too well, but I've just looked through a bunch of photos.
    Intuitive - without a question
    Intuitive and logical - definitely
    Extravert - probably

    I'm leaning towards ILE, but he might be LIE as well.

    I think Bertrand Russell may have been an LIE.

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    INTP for sure !
    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    well.

    he's basically anti-behaviorist/anti-b.f. skinner.

    i think this is important re: chomsky.

    chomsky said that language learners have two components - competence & performance.

    competence = what you know. what you know about the rules of language.

    performance = what you show. what you actually say while speaking, double negatives, errors, all that.

    he also said that performance (what you show) is not necessarily a good measure of competence (what you know.)

    another thing: he's anti-corpus linguistics.

    Corpus linguistics is the study of language as expressed in samples (corpora) or "real world" text. The approach runs counter to Noam Chomsky's view that real language is riddled with performance-related errors, thus requiring careful analysis of small speech samples obtained in a highly controlled laboratory setting. Corpus linguistics does away with Chomsky's competence/performance split; adherents believe that reliable language analysis best occurs on field-collected samples, in natural contexts and with minimal experimental interference.

    i think an LIE could come up with stuff like this.

    ILE somehow seems more likely, though. i'm glad someone brought this up, though, as he's kind of like trying to type einstein.

    noam chomsky wikiquote

    george lakoff (cognitive linguist, good guy) said this:

    What he does in linguistics is exactly what he campaigns against in politics. He feeds off people. He doesn't allow anyone to disagree with him.
    maybe this is why everyone is so confused. (;
    I think one should look at chomsky's quotes, it is more illuminating in my opinion.
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    Here is my definitive heretic view:

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    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    That was one of my considerations. Also the fact that he looks and acts very similarly to one of my psychology professors, who is ESTp.
    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    seems there is this thread, one other one that Dio authored with no type talk, and a thread about INTjs.

    I bumped this one.

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    INTx for sure ... I think INTp, but I'll have to watch some videos of him

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    heyy macarena ayyyy

    *bump*

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    LII, sillies.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I have trouble associating this look with Fe PoLR (or Gamma in general):





    Alpha NT. I'd lean INTj. ENTp is possible, but he just seems more like an IJ temperament to me.

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    Yup, LII.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Noam Chomsky - William F. Buckley debate from 1969 on Buckley's show: Firing Line




    Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz debate Israel/Palestine issue (14 parts)



    (Off topic: The very beginning of the first video before the debate - the author of "On Bullshit" - he seems like a pretty interesting guy lol, and some really surreal conversations and videos about the book on YouTube)

    Like this for instance:



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    fwiw, I do not see him as an ethical type at all.
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    I am willing to consider EII, but personally I still think LII is most likely. I don't see the consideration of "moral obstacles" as necessarily indication of his being an ethical type, but nonetheless it seems like the only realistic alternative to LII from where I stand, so it's worth thinking about, at least.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    i think ILE. He likes to explain ideas and they are generally broad and non-specific in the political work i've read. I think an LII would have a much more bookish rational approach. His approach to provide infrmation is just to speak and give his ideas. he reminds me of me for some reaosn.
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    By the way, the most bookish people are usually gamma SF. There are two kinds of bookish people: BP who understand what they talk about and people who don't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    By the way, the most bookish people are usually gamma SF. There are two kinds of bookish people: BP who understand what they talk about and people who don't...
    i wouldn't make such a broad claim, but there are plenty of gamma SFs who are "bookish", i'm sure. noam chomsky, i do not think is one of them.
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    Of course, he is NT for sure!
    ILE "Searcher"
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    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    Quote Originally Posted by heath View Post
    i think ILE. He likes to explain ideas and they are generally broad and non-specific in the political work i've read. I think an LII would have a much more bookish rational approach. His approach to provide infrmation is just to speak and give his ideas. he reminds me of me for some reaosn.
    to me, the whole idea of universal grammar, that's at its core, along with some timeless .

    see "colorless green ideas sleep furiously." it doesn't make any sense yet it's still grammatically correct.
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    I found this pic. ENTpish
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    By the way, the most bookish people are usually gamma SF. There are two kinds of bookish people: BP who understand what they talk about and people who don't...
    Ugh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean when you say "bookish" - but then again, maybe I'm not alone. So could you please be more specific? 'Cause I'm extremely bookish, and I got plenty of bookish pals, and I don't think half of us are gamma SF. I'm Delta ST, and most of the rest of 'em are N types at the least.

    And after reading Chomsky, I also have a hard time seeing him as an ethical type. Reminds me of how badly I try to rationalize emotions at times.
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    Hi. FMOPV there are two types of bookish people:

    Bookish person #1: a person who has a certain knowledge about some stuff and is always trying to explain people things about it in a complicated way. The real objective of these low self esteem FUCKERS is to bore people and at the same time, prevent them from understanding what he's saying to remain as the "most intelligent person around here". This makes unhappy fuckers feel smug.

    Bookish person #2: stupid lowIQ asshole who is unable to create any new information/knowledge, and, because of that, feels frustrated. To compensate this, he reads about subjects and then speaks VERY LOUD about it , without even change any word of his speech, to fake he is very intelligent.

    Bookish type #3: a mix of these two CABRONES

    Intelligent people explains things in a simple way and people tend to understand them
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    ... Howard Zinn, who is definitely ego and probably Delta NF.
    i recently read "A People's History of the United States" and from his writing that's the same impression i had.

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