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    The entire Oren Ishii sequence from kill bill is beta. I am especially reminded of the scene where all of the yakuza meet. the unity and emphasis on the group's power is beta. Also, at the parties, everyone is required to be joyous, loud, and participate.

    I can imagine a potential conflict from the scene where the group orders pepparoni pizza and the charlie brown waiter says that isn't available. If a member of the group said, "hey guys, let's be reasonable," there would be serious conflict. I've had similar experiences with Beta types in person.
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    from socionics.org

    ISTj\LSI
    Anne - Bonjour Tristesse (in English, Hello, Sadness) by Françoise Sagan
    Milady de Winter - The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas
    Malvina - The Golden Key\Adventures of Buratino (the Russian Pinocchio) by Aleksey Tolstoy
    Postman Pechkin - Three from Buttermilk Village by Eduard Uspenskiy
    Lillebror’s mother - Karlsson-on-the-Roof by Astrid Lindgren

    ESTp\SLE
    Antibiotik - Banditskiy Peterburg by Andrei Konstantinov
    Atamansha (?) - The Snow Queen by Hans Anderson
    Scarlett O'Hara – Gone With The Wind by Margaret Mitchell (none-

    INFp\IEI
    Florentino Ariza - Love in the Time of Cholera by G. G. Márquez
    Master - The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
    Simon - Aimez-vous Brahms? (Goodbye Again) by Françoise Sagan
    Ashley Wilkes - Gone With The Wind by Margaret Mitchell

    ENFj\EIE
    [url=http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext99/1ws2611.txt]Hamlet – Hamlet by William Shakespeare[/url
    Fyodor Karamazov –The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    Margarita - The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
    Thomas Opiskin - The Village of Stepanchikovo by Fyodor Dostoevsky

    misutii's suggestion:

    Dostoevsky's "Notes From Underground"
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    Just read Dostoevsky's "Notes From Underground", the protaganist seemed like an unhealthy INFp, it made my head hurt but I couldn't stop reading and finished it in a day.
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    Sub--sorry but there is something so creepy about your avatar, I can hardly read your posts!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron
    Sub--sorry but there is something so creepy about your avatar, I can hardly read your posts!!

    What?! It's freakin' adorable and fuzzy...makes me want to snuggle...

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    Thank you! That's much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    The entire Oren Ishii sequence from kill bill is beta. I am especially reminded of the scene where all of the yakuza meet. the unity and emphasis on the group's power is beta. Also, at the parties, everyone is required to be joyous, loud, and participate.

    I can imagine a potential conflict from the scene where the group orders pepparoni pizza and the charlie brown waiter says that isn't available. If a member of the group said, "hey guys, let's be reasonable," there would be serious conflict. I've had similar experiences with Beta types in person.
    I think it was entirely unfair that they should have had to give her little posse something that wasn't even available. Also, if I was in a gang, I would despise being a henchmen. I'd rather be dead than there. The top is the only position for me.
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    I've added links to all the texts available online for free - you might not like reading them on a computer, but you could just read the brief extracts concerning the relevant character or see if you like the book, and then buy a physical copy.
    Not much to choose from for Beta, though .
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    Default Movie INFps

    Can we get a list going of INFp characters in films, please.

    It's the best way for me to relate to the typing.

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    I don't think that's the best way, not the worst way though. Types are not that consistent. I think the doctor from "The last King of Scotland" could be a movie example of an INFp, the president being his dual

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    Sofia from Vanilla Sky is probably INFp.

    A friend says that I remind him of her, or we're a lot alike or something.
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    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Good addition, Starfall.

    I recently watched it, as my avatar shows. I will be watching it again.

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    over the past year or so i've been building a movie list of each type, this what I have so far for INFp

    Cate Blanchette in "Notes on a Scandal"
    Stephane in "The Science of Sleep"
    Protagonist in "Art School Confidential"
    Daniel Day-Lewis in "The Age of Innocence"
    Fergus in "The Crying Game"
    Hayden Christenson in "Shattered Glass"
    Bettie Page in "The Notorious Bettie Page"
    Gwyneth Paltrow in "Proof"
    Johnny Depp in "The Libertine"
    Naomi Watts in "Stay"
    Wash in ""Firefly" & "Serenity"
    Claire in "Six Feet Under"
    Protagonist in "The Invisible"
    Tamsin in "My Summer of Love"
    Claire Danes in "Stardust"
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii View Post
    Stephane in "The Science of Sleep"
    Yeah, The Science of Sleep is all about the IEI mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Sofia from Vanilla Sky is probably INFp.
    Interesting. I always considered ILI.

    Quote Originally Posted by misutii View Post
    Stephane in "The Science of Sleep"
    I had her down as Fi ego.

    Claire Danes in "Stardust"
    She's very different to Stephane and Sofia. So I don't really know how you think these three can be the same type.

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    Stephane is a guy, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Interesting. I always considered ILI.
    She's IEI Ni subtype IMO, though ILI could be a close second. According to a friend, me and Sofía are like the same person, and I'd tend to agree.

    Here are a few quotes from her:

    "I think she's the saddest girl to ever to hold a martini." (Fe)

    "I'll tell you in another life, when we are both cats" (Ni)

    "But I just think good things will happen, if you are a good person with a good attitude, don't you think?" (good example of IEI use of Ni, and more of a positivist attitude.)

    "Every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around." (IEI use of Ni)
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    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Saturn View Post
    Stephane is a guy, right?
    Yes, he's a guy and I could have swore he was ILE or something...
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Yes, he's a guy and I could have swore he was ILE or something...
    I don't think he's ILE, he had weak Ti and weak Te (work was painful lol) and Se-valuing (made friends with that ESTp guy at his work)

    Ezra Stephane was the guy, but there was a girl with a similar name (Stephanie?) and I think she was ISFp
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    Yeah, the older guy was totally SLE too.

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    A continual work in progress:

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    Films

    Television

    • Babylon 5: President Morgan Clark
    • Babylon 5: Londo Mollari
    • Battlestar Galactica: Samuel Anders
    • Battlestar Galactica: Helena Cain
    • Battlestar Galactica: Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
    • The Office: Michael Scott
    • Stargate Atlantis: Aiden Ford
    • Stargate Atlantis: Ronon Dex
    • Weeds: Silas Botwin


    Cartoons & Comics

    • Futurama: Bender
    • Transformers: Grimlock
    • Transformers: Skywarp
    • Watchmen: The Comedian (Edward Blake)


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    Literature

    Films

    Television

    • Babylon 5: G’Kar
    • Battlestar Galactica: Caprica Six
    • Farscape: Stark
    • Weeds: Shane Botwin


    Cartoons & Comics

    • Futurama: Amy Wong
    • Transformers: Thundercracker


    EIE

    Literature

    Films

    Television

    • Babylon 5: Alfred Bester
    • Babylon 5: Jeffrey Sinclair
    • Babylon 5: Talia Winters
    • Battlestar Galactica: Ellen Tigh
    • Battlestar Galactica: Tom Zarek
    • Farscape: Rygel XVI
    • Weeds: Celia Hodes


    Cartoons & Comics

    • DCAU: Catwoman (Selina Kyle)
    • DCAU: Wonder Woman (Diana)


    LSI

    Literature

    • Lord of the Rings: Saruman


    Films

    Television

    • Babylon 5: Catherine Sakai
    • Babylon 5: Neroon
    • Battlestar Galactica: Tory Foster
    • Battlestar Galactica: Saul Tigh
    • Farscape: Bialar Crais
    • Farscape: Aeryn Sun
    • Firefly: Malcom Reynolds
    • Stargate Atlantis: John Sheppard


    Cartoons & Comics

    • DCAU: Batman (Bruce Wayne)
    • Marvel (X-Men): Cyclops (Scott Summers)
    • Transformers: Megatron
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    do you watch any normal TV shows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    do you watch any normal TV shows?
    Yes, but not frequently. They are frequently boring, unimaginative, and formulaic. If you wish to contribute the types of Beta characters from "normal TV shows" you are more than welcome to do so.
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    You don't find that sci-fi stuff to be boring and formulaic?

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    I always thought Saruman was Fe ENFj.

    Why LSI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    You don't find that sci-fi stuff to be boring and formulaic?
    It is formulaic, but it is formulaic in a manner that I find pleasing. But I did not present this list so that I could have my tastes in television judged, but to present an initial list of Betas in fiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    I always thought Saruman was Fe ENFj.

    Why LSI?
    It is certainly possible. My general impression of him was a Beta Rational.
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    You can add Jaime Lannister for the most balls to the wall Se ESTp ever.

    Cersei is prolly Se ESTp also (they are twins afterall, itd make alot of sense)

    Daenerys Targaryen - INFp of some sort (leaning towards Ni)

    Khal Drogo - ESTp of some sort (leaning towards Ti)

    Uh... yah.



    Oh and fuck that shit for Michael Scott being ESTp.

    Like I can't believe I missed that before. He is an obvious Fe EJ type hands down. Certainly Fe ESFj.
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    Is it just me, or are all of the truly entertaining fictional villains Beta?
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    I think Delta villains can be more interesting, just because I suppose it's hard as a Delta native to really imagine what we'd be like as villains. And then you see it in action, and it's like, "Wow, so that's how."

    Gun X Sword is the main instance I can think of this. Similarly for Beta villains, I can think mainly of the Goa'uld from Stargate, but I always thought they were a bit ridiculous.

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    Delta villains are like the elder council in a Utopian society where something is definitely amiss...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Delta villains are like the elder council in a Utopian society where something is definitely amiss...
    Yup. The Protoss Enclave from Starcraft is a great example IMO; Aldaris is a classic EII 1w9 so/sp gone bad.

    Also, for those familiar with Twin Peaks, the secret council of town men who kill "outsiders" to keep the town peaceful/undisturbed/stuck in time are bad Deltas.
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

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    I have a theory about this. Betas can tend to be more extreme as well as more emotionally expressive and therefore more dramatic. Thus, we get a lot of beta villains. I think Clytaemestra, Iago, Othello, Medea, and The Joker in The Dark Knight are all beta, and there are definitely some more. The big splashy villains are often betas.

    I have seen the evil EII character, but the evil EII is usually a character that's super-committed to bad principles. I agree that delta villains tend to be of the Dystopia/big brother kind, but delta villainy, like delta heroics, is often on a more practical, everyday scale, I think.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Scarpia, the lascivious SLE villain from Tosca:



    Come to think of it Tosca is a beta opera.

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    idk...i can visualize alpha and gamma villains as well. the greedy corporate manipulator: gamma. the evil scientist: alpha. but yeah, they're not as splashy as betas. betas are such great villains...you can't really hate them. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    idk...i can visualize alpha and gamma villains as well. the greedy corporate manipulator: gamma. the evil scientist: alpha. but yeah, they're not as splashy as betas. betas are such great villains...you can't really hate them. lol
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    lol...who is that guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    lol...who is that guy?
    you never watched Robocop!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    you never watched Robocop!!!!!!!!!!
    not in years!! lol

    so...what's that guy's type you think? hahha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    not in years!! lol

    so...what's that guy's type you think? hahha
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    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

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