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    I think this may have been discussed before, but it looks like David Bowie is an ENFj. Does anyone agree or disagree?

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    ricks site says EIE.

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    David Bowie is a pretty mediocre musician... the guy needs to get himself an act or something. I think there's something wrong with people who are into his music, like they've got a screw loose or something. Besides he steals other peoples song names for his own... Major Tom? WTF?

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    I think he;s ENFj, too.
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    I think he's ENFj too.
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    enfj. but i disagree with BG to a point. bowie was completely ahead of his time. in the early 70's, he was advancing the 80's. he might not be a great technical musician, but this guy knows the crowd and how to put other musicians together to get an edgy sound. i went through a bowie phase recently...love that album scary monsters....plus earlier stuff like golden years.

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    I love David Bowie. He is absolutely my favorite musician. He was ahead of his time as Blaze said. His lyrics aren't great but his melodies are really good and inventive. And he's great at showmanship and evoking a mood through his music.

    I can't argue about the screw loose thing though.
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    I think the Major Tom name-stealing thing is actually a joke and a reference to this really cool song that was written quite a while after Space Oddity. But it is a really cool song and worthy of reference here for whatever reason. Just because it's a really good song too.

    [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=N1Hs2AQwDgA[/youtube]
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    I saw him in The Prestige last night. Very interesting character.

    He's got an obsession with spacemen and aliens and shit like that. What function does that correspond to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro
    oh no, nothing good can come from this
    Don't be such a negativist.

    It's people like Jimbean that keep this forum alive; that keep it from stagnating.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla
    Is Bowie in The Prestige? Who does he play?
    Nikola Tesla:

    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    David Bowie is the greatest organism to have ever lived - he'd liked to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    He's got an obsession with spacemen and aliens and shit like that. What function does that correspond to?
    If it's an "obsession", I'd guess , but not necessarily ego (although I do think that he's ENFj).
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    Well, I agree with ENFj.

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    I was joking BTW, Just wanted to see SubT's head turn red with anger and shoot steam out his ears
    Bowie kicks ass

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    As EIE as they come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    David Bowie is a pretty mediocre musician... the guy needs to get himself an act or something. I think there's something wrong with people who are into his music, like they've got a screw loose or something. Besides he steals other peoples song names for his own... Major Tom? WTF?

    [spoil:46b9bc67fe] [/spoil:46b9bc67fe]
    listen to "Life on Mars" and then say that again. BBC actually has a show that goes by that name and the song was used in the pilot episode, fucking awesome. He has my respect.

    and I also think he's ENFj
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii
    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    David Bowie is a pretty mediocre musician... the guy needs to get himself an act or something. I think there's something wrong with people who are into his music, like they've got a screw loose or something. Besides he steals other peoples song names for his own... Major Tom? WTF?

    [spoil:aa1a864364] [/spoil:aa1a864364]
    listen to "Life on Mars" and then say that again. BBC actually has a show that goes by that name and the song was used in the pilot episode, fucking awesome. He has my respect.

    and I also think he's ENFj
    Life On Mars is possibly my favoritest song of all time...I don't understand those who rank Bowie behind John Lennon, Elvis Presley and Jesus in all the polls - what's wrong with people?

    That show was very kewl...there's gonna be an American remake, too...also, there's going to be a new TV show set in the '80s called Ashes to Ashes .
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    EIE? IEI? Seems Beta...

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    EIE
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    yeah, definitely EIE.

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    Seems kinda cold/cool and to be Fe dom, like puts on a neutral happy face here and there for Fe valuing. He seems a lot looser and variant than EJs and more in the moment; I think Beta and ESTp is right. Not getting Fe dom, it's kinda what they associate with Marilyn Manson or Michael Jackson, just show stuff.

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    It's not just the "show stuff." He's clearly Beta, first of all. But he's far too spacey and "not there" to be SLE IMO. He's somewhat mild, not the same in-your-face Fe as Jack Nicholson, but I think a lot of EIEs like he and Amanda Palmer share a similar kind of low-key, understated public persona, but you can still see just how deliberate they are. Bowie is smooth as hell, not nearly "cheesy" enough in his self-presentation for the Fe to be HA-Fe.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Not getting Fe dom, it's kinda what they associate with Marilyn Manson or Michael Jackson, just show stuff.
    & Michael Jackson is ethics dom. You get that level of pure constant emotion, ethics and connectivity in his cognition.

    Feel free to resort to my post on how ENFjs (and INFps) are irl http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post839500
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    I concur with EIE

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    I adore David Bowie! He seems restrained on stage and I could see him be IEI. Maybe EIE.
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    Seems IEI. But these days, in his older age, he comes off EIE to me. Def Beta.

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    Same type as Aquagraph, i.e. agree w/ SLE.

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    I've always considered him EIE, but in that video he comes off kind of IEI to me. Beta NF fo sho. I'm not british and even I understood that he meant "duty" not "DOOEY"...

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    I think that Ziggy-era video is a little odd bc he's being kind of extra weird and flirtatious and maybe even is somewhat in character there, and he was often drugged up during that time period. Later on, his affect seems to have stabilized in a much more dry and dispassionate, heavy direction. But anyway, he does not seem entirely typical of any particular Beta type to me. I definitely think he's Beta, but he reminds me of Beta STs more than NFs. He seems E > I, and his body language and communication patterns strike me as irrational in many videos.

    The one person I know whom he reminds me of a LOT is actually someone I type ILE-Ti. But that person is often more playful and light and abstract than Bowie is.

    So for now I'll say SLE-Ti > EIE, with the repeated disclaimer that I think he's somewhat hard to pin down--not surprising, I guess, for someone who's made a career out of being a chameleon.

    ETA a little extract from Wikipedia, offered not as any particular evidence but because it gets at what I find challenging about understanding Bowie:

    "Offstage I'm a robot. Onstage I achieve emotion. It's probably why I prefer dressing up as Ziggy to being David." With satisfaction came severe personal difficulties: acting the same role over an extended period, it became impossible for him to separate Ziggy Stardust—and, later, the Thin White Duke—from his own character offstage. Ziggy, Bowie said, "wouldn't leave me alone for years. That was when it all started to go sour ... My whole personality was affected. It became very dangerous. I really did have doubts about my sanity."[40]
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    Beta NF (EIE Ni >IEI), So/sp or Sp/so.

    No, I don't like his music for some reason ...I agree he's a mediocre musician. A form of creativity that allowed him to tap into the demands of his time (trends), but not much beyond that in terms of originality and "spark".

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    EIE 3w4

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    SLE-Ti with an off chance of ILE – so/sp 3w4.
    Reading his own statements closely, Bowie wasn't anywhere near being confident of his feelings, neither able to express them. This doesn't make any sense for a Fe leading type, especially an EIE:

    "I had to resign myself, many years ago, that I'm not too articulate when it comes to explaining how I feel about things. But my music does it for me, it really does. There, in the chords and melodies, is everything I want to say. The words just jolly it along. It's always been my way of expressing what for me is inexpressible by any other means." — David Bowie

    "I'm not a prophet or a stone aged man, just a mortal with potential of a superman. I'm living on." - (Se-leading?) David Bowie
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    My guess would be EIE-Ni 3w4 so/sp.

    I love Bowie

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    It is hard for me to see anything about him being -dominant (as opposed to say -dominant and HA).

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    probably Ni-EIE
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    I don't see any evidence of a PoLR, but could easily cherrypick bits about his life to demonstrate a PoLR, e.g. the periods of life where he survived on nothing but milk and cocaine, or his obsession with storing his urine away and preventing people from getting hold of his hair or nail clippings in case such people were to somehow get control over him.

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    ILE-Ti.

    both based on impressions i get from his interviews, as well as his artistic persona in which he constantly re-invents himself. a Fe-Ni type would hightlight how their ever changing persona either expresses different aspects of their personality or talking about it relation to a growth/transformation process. sadly, i don't remember where exactly he mentioned this, but his work is basically a "hodgepodge" of ideas. Ne > Ni.

    he's don quixote.


    "I'm always amazed that people take what I say seriously. I don't even take what I am seriously."

    "Frankly, I mean, sometimes the interpretations I've seen on some of the songs that I've written are a lot more interesting than the input that I put in."

    "When I'm stuck for a closing to a lyric, I will drag out my last resort: overwhelming illogic."

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