Test This Test!

[Sabo]

I was messing around, trying to think up different ways to write a socionics test without having questions related to individual functions. This short test is one of the things I came up with. I'm just kind of curious how (in)accurate it is ... so, what do y'all get on it? I might expand on it later to make it more reliable. Then again, I might not.

http://www.linuxcube.org/stest1/

[XoX]

I was messing around, trying to think up different ways to write a socionics test without having questions related to individual functions. This short test is one of the things I came up with. I'm just kind of curious how (in)accurate it is ... so, what do y'all get on it? I might expand on it later to make it more reliable. Then again, I might not.

http://www.linuxcube.org/stest1/

The test is good. It is not any worse than other tests around. It is well in par with e.g. Hugo's tests and Rick's tests and Expat's tests and Rmcnew's tests (probably above them). The problem with this test as well as other tests (for me) is that I know too well which answer produces which type (except some Expat's tests are a bit mysterious, heh). So this should be tested first with people who don't know what the answers mean.

Trying to sound more positive: This is a good test. Simple yet effective. The difficult concepts might be a turn off for some people(?). Oh I should be positive...It is often hard for me to choose between options but now it wasn't. I especially liked the "content" vs "structure" question.

I'm not yet explicitly telling what type it gave me but it gave me one of the the types people have been suggesting me lately. So either this test knows stuff or I just subconsciously adopted that type and manipulated the test.

I will test my wife and see whether see can understand the concepts (and make her test both of us).

In any case good job!

[XoX]

This test seems pretty awesome actually.

I scored ISFp for myself and ESTj for my wife.
My wife scored ISFp for me and ESTj for herself.
Taking the test took less than a minute.

There are some wording which a bit difficult to apply (like the states and transitions thing in which case I had to rely on the temperament description only) but all in all first impression is that this test seems to give very consistent results. Assuming there is no systematic error this rocks.

[FDG]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

[XoX]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide (if I put neither it gives ESTx)

[FDG]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide.

I get ESTj or ENTj depending on where i decide in regard to power or timing

"Naturally paying more attention to the potentials of people/things and/or the way situations can develop over time.
Naturally paying more attention to the strength, characteristics, and power of people/things and/or sensations and physical relationships.
"

I can totally do both imho, so i get Result: EXTj

[XoX]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide.

I get ESTj or ENTj depending on where i decide in regard to power or timing

"Naturally paying more attention to the potentials of people/things and/or the way situations can develop over time.
Naturally paying more attention to the strength, characteristics, and power of people/things and/or sensations and physical relationships.
"

I can totally do both imho

So combining these two results we conclude you are ESTj.

[FDG]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide.

I get ESTj or ENTj depending on where i decide in regard to power or timing

"Naturally paying more attention to the potentials of people/things and/or the way situations can develop over time.
Naturally paying more attention to the strength, characteristics, and power of people/things and/or sensations and physical relationships.
"

I can totally do both imho

So combining these two results we conclude you are ESTj.

Yet if you remember you wife commented on how my pic's background was mismatched

[XoX]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide.

I get ESTj or ENTj depending on where i decide in regard to power or timing

"Naturally paying more attention to the potentials of people/things and/or the way situations can develop over time.
Naturally paying more attention to the strength, characteristics, and power of people/things and/or sensations and physical relationships.
"

I can totally do both imho

So combining these two results we conclude you are ESTj.

Yet if you remember you wife commented on how my pic's background was mismatched

Perhaps that kind of things have less to do with than is generally thought of. That is actually the kind of behavior that annoys me about her. It is like if we go to Italian restaurant and the background music is American it ruins her evening because it is so mismatched. So if that is then I'm not either These are the kind of things that have so far kept me from saying I'm and gearing more towards weak .

Edit:
You might want to focus on Reinin dichotomies more for a while and see how you come out there. Even if people criticize them there might be such problems in the understanding some of the functions that functional approach is more misleading.

[FDG]

I can see too easily where the options are leading...

I did it for you and got ESTj or ESTp depending on one choice I couldn't decide.

I get ESTj or ENTj depending on where i decide in regard to power or timing

"Naturally paying more attention to the potentials of people/things and/or the way situations can develop over time.
Naturally paying more attention to the strength, characteristics, and power of people/things and/or sensations and physical relationships.
"

I can totally do both imho

So combining these two results we conclude you are ESTj.

Yet if you remember you wife commented on how my pic's background was mismatched

Perhaps that kind of things have less to do with than is generally thought of. That is actually the kind of behavior that annoys me about her. It is like if we go to Italian restaurant and the background music is American it ruins her evening because it is so mismatched. So if that is then I'm not either These are the kind of things that have so far kept me from saying I'm and gearing more towards weak .

What I might like about is that I know I like my body to feel "good" so that I can do things and be happy. I'm not happy when my body doesn't feel "good" and I need the right kind of foods, exercise, etc to feel "good". I don't exactly know how to explain this easily, but I know generally what I should do to feel "good". Except this though, I don't think I care that much about other Si stuff.

You might want to focus on Reinin dichotomies more for a while and see how you come out there. Even if people criticize them there might be such problems in the understanding some of the functions that functional approach is more misleading.

I happen to think that Renin Dichotomies are awesome. So mm. I think I'm a positivist.

[XoX]

So mm. I think I'm a positivist.

So does my wife Where does that leave us?

Edit:
Try the Kristiina style. Give a value to each of the 11 dichotomies and count the sum for each type (do not exclude any type based on one or two dichotomies). It is unlikely that you can get them so wrong that some of the very low scoring types are your true type. Perhaps you can eliminate some of the types that way.

[FDG]

So mm. I think I'm a positivist.

So does my wife Where does that leave us?

To me not being ESTj!

Edit:
Try the Kristiina style. Give a value to each of the 11 dichotomies and count the sum for each type (do not exclude any type based on one or two dichotomies). It is unlikely that you can get them so wrong that some of the very low scoring types are your true type. Perhaps you can eliminate some of the types that way.

Ok. I did get ENTJ on the renin calculator anyway.

[XoX]

Ok. I did get ENTJ on the renin calculator anyway.

Urgh. That doesn't support me being ISFp.

Edit:
Then again you should report all the types and their scores. I scored ESTp as the first type.

[FDG]

Ok. I did get ENTJ on the renin calculator anyway.

Urgh. That doesn't support me being ISFp.

You also generally always spoke nicely about the ENTj you've known, except one I think.

[XoX]

Ok. I did get ENTJ on the renin calculator anyway.

Urgh. That doesn't support me being ISFp.

You also generally always spoke nicely about the ENTj you've known, except one I think.

Also my biggest problems at work so far have been with an ENTp. However I might have mistyped that person. Perhaps it is an ENTj instead. It was a long time ago.

[FDG]

Ok. I did get ENTJ on the renin calculator anyway.

Urgh. That doesn't support me being ISFp.

You also generally always spoke nicely about the ENTj you've known, except one I think.

Also my biggest problems at work so far have been with an ENTp. However I might have mistyped that person. Perhaps it is an ENTj instead. It was a long time ago.

Well, you should also have mistyped all the ENTjs though. Basically, your relationships seem to point away from ISFp, don't you think?

[Kristiina]

I got ENFj. I understood where the questions were leading, but I also found of very easy to agree with some of them. I liked that Fe and Fi were in the same question as was Ne and Ni. It makes sense. People with ego also have very strong and it's usually very strong to choose between "potential" and "timing" in the Ne vs Ni questions.
It's a good idea to determine + vs + and + vs + and then the temperament.

The typical person doesn't divide the world into "potential", "timing", "physical state" etc, so the vocabulary of the questions needs some work. Even I was confused if I pay attention to states or transitions.

[Smilingeyes]

Sorry for the quick guerilla post but I'm busy trying to type Wesley Clark for Minde and mapping changes in recent versions of an article I've been making...

XoX... What you're doing here is Si. You're aiming for perfect mechanical harmony between all the input you've ever received on your type and you get discomforted by the smallest push away from that contention. This is exactly the same way your wife gets annoyed if the music is not in sync with the atmosphere. It's just a different medium. That's all. No need to get worked up. Your relations with FDG are not out of sync with you being ISFp, it's your idea of how conflict relations work that needs a paint job.

[Creepy-bg]

Sorry for the quick guerilla post but I'm busy trying to type Wesley Clark for Minde and mapping changes in recent versions of an article I've been making...

[Ezra]

It's pretty good. It came out as SLE for me, which is what most people might type me as. But as I'm uncertain of my type right now, I can't make a 'it's correct!' judgement of your test.

[meatburger]

xNFp

A couple of the sentances i didn't understand but not bad

[Slacker]

It said ENFx

[aestrivex]

this test gave me ILI but all the questions about temperament are misugided and are far too numerous as compared to the two questions that went T/F and N/S. not a terribly roundabout way of going about things, and will lead to a lot of mistypings within the same club.

[eunice]

I got INFp. A common result I get for socionics type test.

[Joy]

I can see how Se PoLR types would relate to "go with the flow"

[eunice]

edit.

[Suomea]

xNTp

[Not A Communist Shill]

I got INxj - but because I am now unable to choose between:

Naturally paying more attention to structures, hierarchies, and classifications and/or efficiency and activity.
Naturally paying more attention to emotional energy and/or internal feelings.

[Joy]

I think temperaments are good for distinguishing between mirror pairs, but first you need to narrow it down to which mirror pair. Determining quadra values should be the first step in typing. This test focuses too much on the I/E, S/N, T/F, and j/p dichotomies, even if it is in the form of temperaments.

[XoX]

XoX... What you're doing here is Si. You're aiming for perfect mechanical harmony between all the input you've ever received on your type and you get discomforted by the smallest push away from that contention.

Hmm ok. And how exactly is this different from what FDG is doing?

[Jarno]

INxP

pretty accurate

[Sabo]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I agree that a lot of the questions are too abstract and hard to understand. I plan to fix that by breaking down a lot of the questions into less intimidating questions. For now, I'm just worried about seeing how the underlying structure of the test holds up.

Kristiina, thanks, that's what I was getting at with those questions. A lot of people spend too much time going "Hrm... do I use more 'Te' or more 'Ti'?" when it's so much easier to just compare groups of functions.

niffweed17, it seems to me that all tests lead to a lot of mistypings in the same club. My observation is that people tend to be much more confident of their club than their temperament.

Joy, I think you're probably right. I think people underestimate dichotomies though, too. I'm not going to pretend that this test is the best way to type people... I'm just trying different approaches.

[aestrivex]

niffweed17, it seems to me that all tests lead to a lot of mistypings in the same club. My observation is that people tend to be much more confident of their club than their temperament.

it's true, but most tests at least have something a little more comprehensive than five temperament questions and one question for N/S and T/F.

[implied]

INTp.

[Expat]

I know too well which answer produces which type (except some Expat's tests are a bit mysterious, heh). So this should be tested first with people who don't know what the answers mean.

I see that as a compliment.

My "tests" are basically explorations of questions that might provoke answers that would provide insights into the person's type. I am rather pleased with my "retirement test", I think it works if you can follow up with more questions. I think my "island" and "aliens" tests give indications in the case of some people; in other cases it would be rather useless.

I have some other ideas that I will post soon.

Regarding the test of this thread: it gave me ENTj, but I was also very obvious to me where the questions were coming from.

[Creepy-bg]

I like Expats "tests" the best (even though they require a present Expat to "score" them) All other tests are too easy for people who already have an understanding of socionics to subconsiously make come out for the type they already think they are.

[Joy]

very true

[marooned]

I got INFp which is what I get on the vast majority of tests.

I'm starting to think that I just *am* an INFp.

[Blaze]

got entp. seems pretty straightfoward...wonder how someone unfamiliar with the theory would do.

[implied]

Regarding the test of this thread: it gave me ENTj, but I was also very obvious to me where the questions were coming from.

i think it's only obvious to me if i actually step back and look at the test. for the purposes of the test i tried to sort of "just do it" without thinking much. if i thought about it too much, i'd skew my answers.