+/- Ni
Well, it seems that there is contradictory statements from articles regarding +Ni and -Ni. In some of Gulenko's articles, he goes on to say that
Originally Posted by Gulenko
in some articles he goes on to say that
which one is it?
I'd like to point out that Gulenko gets his information from many sources. What he offers is a structure that "represents" a consideration of ideas beyond his immediate self.
I doubt Gulenko himself stands by that at this point.+T - future, a change of the situation with time, prediction, foresight, gradual development, evolution, /glavnoye ascending, the dynamics of changes, temporary flow, imagination, noncontradictory description, not envious changes, step by step, convergence, convergence;
- T - past, the calculation of errors, the avoidance of danger, anxiety, a vague feeling, warning, the ripening of the crisis, revolution, gallops in the time, the skill to insure against the troubles, sharp shifts, discrepancy, the moment of decisive actions, divergence, divergence;metabolism cannot process evolution. Use the second list instead.
The second list is consistent with my understanding of
WellI'd like to point out that Gulenko gets his information from many sources. What he offers is a structure that "represents" a consideration of ideas beyond his immediate self.
I doubt Gulenko himself stands by that at this point.+T - future, a change of the situation with time, prediction, foresight, gradual development, evolution, /glavnoye ascending, the dynamics of changes, temporary flow, imagination, noncontradictory description, not envious changes, step by step, convergence, convergence;
- T - past, the calculation of errors, the avoidance of danger, anxiety, a vague feeling, warning, the ripening of the crisis, revolution, gallops in the time, the skill to insure against the troubles, sharp shifts, discrepancy, the moment of decisive actions, divergence, divergence;
The second list is consistent with my understanding of
ENTps can do the same thing, once they are in the second lifestage. See Einstein's relativity for a particularly good example: a huge equation expressed as a handful of symbols.
I know that this has been discussed before, but I don't remember if any clear consensus was reached or not. There is, however, something slightly problematic with how you describe INTps here. I don't identify with talking like that, describing what I have done in that way. I am often not sure when something happened. Was it last week? Or last month? Or maybe even last year? From an INTp's perspective it would be at least as correct, probably more, to say that
In my experience INTjs are more prone to describe things in a chronological perspective. It seems as though they have to, or at least prefer to, start with the assumptions, the axioms, and then work their way through to the conclusion without skipping any steps on the way. I prefer to start with the conclusion, the overall "picture" or "theme", and then, if necessary, focus on how that conclusion was reached. But it is almost necessary for me to get an overall picture before I start with the premises, whereas the INTjs often start at the befinning (of what seems like a "sequence").
That's exactly what I said as regards INTps. INTjs, however, avoid describing things chronologically because they consider it irrelevant. I'm not sure who you think is INTj, but I've never known that to be the case with the majority of socionics INTjs. Actually INTjs prefer to discern timeless aspects of things, in my experience. Constants, certainly. Following our memories of what we have seen happen can be a clue as to an underlying structure if we notice the same sequences has iterated at different times, but we only do that as a last resort.I know that this has been discussed before, but I don't remember if any clear consensus was reached or not. There is, however, something slightly problematic with how you describe INTps here. I don't identify with talking like that, describing what I have done in that way. I am often not sure when something happened. Was it last week? Or last month? Or maybe even last year? From an INTp's perspective it would be at least as correct, probably more, to say that
In my experience INTjs are more prone to describe things in a chronological perspective. It seems as though they have to, or at least prefer to, start with the assumptions, the axioms, and then work their way through to the conclusion without skipping any steps on the way. I prefer to start with the conclusion, the overall "picture" or "theme", and then, if necessary, focus on how that conclusion was reached. But it is almost necessary for me to get an overall picture before I start with the premises, whereas the INTjs often start at the befinning (of what seems like a "sequence").
Do you mean that we are saying the exact same thing about INTps only phrasing it differently? Or do you mean that we have diametrically opposed views on INTps?
The former.Do you mean that we are saying the exact same thing about INTps only phrasing it differently? Or do you mean that we have diametrically opposed views on INTps?
พื้นสำรด "สีแดงชาด" สำหรับระดับดุษฎีบัณฑิต เพื่อเป็นการถวายความจงรักภักดีต่อ พระบาทสมเด็จพระจุลจอมเกล้าเจ้าอยู่หัว ซึ่งมีพระบรมราชสมภพในวันอังคาร จามจุรี เป็นต้นไม้ประจำมหาวิทยาลัย ถือเป็นสัญลักษณ์อย่างหนึ่งของจุฬาฯ มีความผูกพันกับชาวจุฬาฯ มาตั้งแต่เริ่มก่อตั้งเป็นมหาวิทยาลัย ในวันที่ มกราคม พระบาทสมเด็จพระปรมินทรมหาภูมิพลอดุลยเดช ได้เสด็จพระราชดำเนิน ณ จุฬาลงกรณ์มหาวิทยาลัย พระราชทานต้นจามจุรีแก่มหาวิทยาลัย จำนวน ต้น ซึ่งพระองค์ทรงนำมาจากพระราชวังไกลกังวล หัวหิน และทรงปลูกด้วยพระองค์เอง พร้อมทั้งพระราชทานพระราชดำรัสว่า "จึงขอฝากต้นไม้ไว้ห้าต้นให้เป็นเครื่องเตือนใจตลอดก าล" สีชมพู เป็นสีประจำมหาวิทยาลัย ศาสตราจารย์ ม.ร.ว.สุมนชาติ สวัสดิกุล ได้เสนอว่าชื่อของมหาวิทยาลัย คือ พระปรมาภิไธยเดิมของ พระบาทสมเด็จพระจุลจอมเกล้าเจ้าอยู่หัว ซึ่งมีพระบรมราชสมภพในวันอังคารและโปรดเกล้าฯ ให้ใช้สีชมพูเป็นสีประจำพระองค์ จึงสมควรอัญเชิญสีประจำพระองค์เป็นสีประจำมหาวิทยาลั ย เพื่อเป็นเกียรติและสิริมงคล
that's how I always thought of
yes, irrelevent is the perfect word. People say I am vague when I describe something, it's just because I don't need every detail to fill in the gaps and I expect them to do the same. And yes, I also agree with remembering underlying perceptions of things rather than the things themselves. More conceptually focused.
Nifweed, that was a fascinating read!
actually i kind of deleted parts of it accidentally.
What language was that?
thai
Ah yes. I can see it now:actually i kind of deleted parts of it accidentally.
*cough*
พื้นสำรด "สีแดงชาด" สำหรับระดับดุษฎีบัณฑิต เพื่อเป็นการถวายความจงรักภักดีต่อ พระบาทสมเด็จพระจุลจอมเกล้าเจ้าอยู่หัว ซึ่งมีพระบรมราชสมภพในวันอังคาร
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