ENTp jobs/careers/occupations: what do fellow ILEs do for a living?

[Functianalyst]

I am probably one of the older ENTp's on most of the forums. I have come to realize the importance of being in a harmonious atmosphere. I kidded myself for years that the infighting did not bother me. In retrospect, I mistyped myself for years as being introverted. I don't think that personnel work per se, would be of interest, however, something that would entail problem solving like employee relations, would probably keep ENTps interested for awhile.

[diamond]

This topic is a sore spot with me right now.

As a female entp, when I was young I felt pressure to be f and kind of wanted to be f. I had a substance abuse problem and got into recovery. I decided that I wanted to help other people recover and became a social worker.

Now I am 41 and with kids. Over the last five years, I've accepted my entp personality. I've risen to middle management and I also teach MSW students.

Part of me feels like I am in the totally wrong profession for who I am. The teaching is the best, the clinical supervision of staff is the worst, and the clients are in the middle. But if I had to see clients all day then that would probably be the worst.

I can't tell if I'm just being myself which is kind of never satisfied and a little dramatic, if this is a typical mid life issue, or whether it's true, I took up the wrong thing for a career. But I'm tired of everything being forced.

I don't really know what to do and I have a family that I am financially responsible for.

My husband who is estp feels the same way (he is also in recovery, and also working in human services).

[Marina]

im currently struggling trying to figure out what is it i want to do in life, what career to pursue
ENTP's have a reputation of being a perfect (mad?) scientist, but it doesn't look too realistic
so, my question is: what do you, fellow entps, do for living? do you find it satisfactory? what would you want to do?

[Khamelion]

im currently struggling trying to figure out what is it i want to do in life, what kind of career to pursue
ENTP's have a reputation of being a perfect (mad?) scientist, but it doesn't look too realistic
so, my question is: what do you, fellow entps, do for living? do you find it satisfactory? what would you want to do?

My ENTp lover keeps telling me, he needs something big to happen. Something that will keep him on his toes and running. He also talks about he wants to run things, figure out the best way to do things and tell people how to do them.

I think he means he wants some sort of meaningful war to arrise, and he wants to be the general leading it

He hasn't been satisfied with a job since he worked for 911 emergency. He needs importance, competent co-workers to pick up his slack and rise to his standards. He seems to not need the credit for anything...a saying he likes is, "If you've done something right, no one will ever be sure you've done anything at all." But I think he likes that saying because he DOES need credit, and that eases the tension when he doesn't get it.

Good luck.

[Marina]

ha ha, i recognize myself
any ideas what exactly this "big and meaningful" could be?

[Blaze]

hey marina welcome to the forum....lessee entp's like to have jobs that give them some latitude without a lot of micro management. something where you can research something and then apply it, using it to improve something.

sciences, including the social sciences are pretty good for entp's. law.

entp's hate routine and picky details, so something like accounting i can't see working.

[Khamelion]

ha ha, i recognize myself
any ideas what exactly this "big and meaningful" could be?

Something to benefit man-kind. He seems to think we are going down-hill. But that is BS. Do you know...how many generations of man have gone past...and how they bitched about their civilization going down the tube? It's a constant fluxuation...its life, it goes up and down and we won't be satisfied with it.

Not to say, that you shouldn't try to IMPROVE it, but it's nothing to get so dismally pessimitic about.

[Marina]

hey marina welcome to the forum....lessee entp's like to have jobs that give them some latitude without a lot of micro management. something where you can research something and then apply it, using it to improve something.

sciences, including the social sciences are pretty good for entp's. law.

entp's hate routine and picky details, so something like accounting i can't see working.

science, like doing some sort of research?
what about you? what do you do?

[mikemex]

My sister is ENTp and she's not into science or any other intellectual task. She works as a model and is currently a manager of a promotional team.

[Gilly]

I'm in school to become a defense attorney. Arguing for a living ftw

[Blaze]

hey marina welcome to the forum....lessee entp's like to have jobs that give them some latitude without a lot of micro management. something where you can research something and then apply it, using it to improve something.

sciences, including the social sciences are pretty good for entp's. law.

entp's hate routine and picky details, so something like accounting i can't see working.

science, like doing some sort of research?
what about you? what do you do?

i direct a mental health case management program - i'm a social worker. i also teach social work students at a master's level.

i think it might be less about specifically what field you go into and more about the roles you choose in the field you go into. like i was an OK counselor but i like directing leading planning strategizing teaching in an environment where i am am not micro managed and don't have to be a micro manager of others. i like a lot of latitude, flexibility, and room to be creative.

[Jarno]

some specilistic business where you need to know everything about a subject.

or start your own business.

And many ENTP's I know are really into programming. Making websites based on difficult languages (asp.net, visual c++ etc)

[Exodus]

And many ENTP's I know are really into programming. Making websites based on difficult languages (asp.net, visual c++ etc)

Difficult?

[Marina]

some specilistic business where you need to know everything about a subject.

or start your own business.

And many ENTP's I know are really into programming. Making websites based on difficult languages (asp.net, visual c++ etc)

are there any entp's doing well in their own business? i mean, we can be disorganized

[Logos]

And many ENTP's I know are really into programming. Making websites based on difficult languages (asp.net, visual c++ etc)

Difficult?

Difficulty varies from person to person, so I do not know why you would question his use of the word difficult. I know that I would probably have personal difficulties in learning such languages. If you do not find them difficult, then great for you, but for others (even other INTjs), we may find such a language quite alien.

[mooveefone]

i prefer any job where i can work alone and get tasks done on my own terms. if i end up not working alone, the ideal situation is one where my coworker(s) won't report me to anybody when they realize i spend more of my time learning to program a synthesizer than i do working.

[xyz]

Hey, look at it this way, your options are alot better than us who like to 'work with our hands'

[Marina]

Hey, look at it this way, your options are alot better than us who like to 'work with our hands'

from my experience, those who like working with their hands at least know what they want
for some reason i thought that i want to be a pharmacist, and it took me two whole years to reallize that i hate it! yeah, sometimes Ne tells you stupids things

[Gilly]

And many ENTP's I know are really into programming. Making websites based on difficult languages (asp.net, visual c++ etc)

Difficult?

Arrogant?

[Exodus]

For fuck's sake, I was just trying to ask him what is difficult about those programming languages in particular. I know nothing about said languages, and was curious. ARGH.

[xyz]

I like those languages....

Well, I guess you could always be a mad scientist...

[Gilly]

Relax dude. We don't hate you

[Exodus]

Relax dude. We don't hate you

I know, you were just getting all

'sall good.

[JRiddy]

Um....I do sales during the day so I can be a musician at night. It's not the best solution, but I've found that as long as I put my self somewhere where I can see "new opportunities," I do alright.

[EllaC]

I've always wanted to teach, I love the education system a lot. It's quite sad.

But I've basically had a few dilemas because...

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd rather work in a school where the children behave themselves (to a point), basically aren't abusive, nasty brats even if they aren't from the best of backgrounds so thought about 5-11 age range... BUT something tells me that I am best to work with older children. I don't know but I am so un-Mumsy. It's just I want the benefits of a nicer life.

Any type related advice?

[Elro]

I've always wanted to teach, I love the education system a lot. It's quite sad.

But I've basically had a few dilemas because...

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd rather work in a school where the children behave themselves (to a point), basically aren't abusive, nasty brats even if they aren't from the best of backgrounds so thought about 5-11 age range... BUT something tells me that I am best to work with older children. I don't know but I am so un-Mumsy. It's just I want the benefits of a nicer life.

Any type related advice?

I think ILEs can make great teachers. I've had some good and bad ones - the bad ones go uberfast and don't wait for others to catch up mentally, so no one learns anything. The good ones are extremely creative and excel at conveying concepts in an easy to understand way. Walter Lewin (see MIT OpenCourseWare) is a great ILE professor, imo.

I'm not sure how realistic your wishes are, but I'm not sure how unrealistic they are either (I haven't taught). I guess if they step out of line you could always corporally punish the little twerps. But seriously, if you want to and can, I'd say go for it. It's probably not easy, but from what little I've done teaching-wise, it's very rewarding.

[Not A Communist Shill]

The students who attack teachers do so either out of frustration that they don't understand or because they think it's uncool to learn. You shouldn't force education on those who don't want to learn, but you should compromise and try different approaches to getting the teaching across. Some education is better than no education at all. Most teachers I encountered seem to see teaching as Us versus Them, and this really isn't the right attitude. I was irritated by that and I was one of those most willing to learn .

Teaching shouldn't be a strict lesson by lesson, day by day affair...it should be able to adapt. I hated teachers who were very formal and stiff. Things really aren't like that in the real world, and most things you learn at school aren't actually important - it's the finished product that counts.

Teachers who make the clever ones show their intelligence by asking questions don't really have the right idea...it's usually better to have a more informal approach.

I found that other students are often better at explaining things than the teacher but they often don't want to share their expertise in class for obvious reasons. I've known very few teachers who were able to utilise this resource.

[Blaze]

i teach graduate school as an adjunct. students always rave about my classes these days, but it took a while to develop a style and to learn how to teach well.

i'm much more naturally good at teaching than i am at my full time job.

if you're going to teach, i'd say ILE would be a better teacher of adults than of children.

[Khola aka Bee]

May I suggest corporal cuddling?

[theMime.]

EllaC, I bet you could be a fantastic teacher.

[EllaC]

EllaC, I bet you could be a fantastic teacher.

In short that is all I needed to know... and you must've know this. Clever.

[rapidfireaim]

I cant sit still so adventure in my work and daily life is necessary, really!
here is a link on some tips for work: for an add entp: Adventuralist - Adventure, Photography, Travel, Advice

[itdoesntmatter]

What is the career that best fits the ENTp's talents or abilities?

[Aleksei]

Inventor. Full stop.

[EyeSeeCold]

Comedian, professor, advocate, soccer player(the seeker)

[itdoesntmatter]

I have heard they make good lawyers. Is that true? or does it not really fit? Also I have heard they can make good Investors. do they?

[mu4]

Anything, but ultimately do the job you want to do.

Being a follower isn't exactly a job a ILE will enjoy or data entry or clerical work or any number of mind numbing tedious jobs. The job I did the worst at was line cook at a Krystal.

[EyeSeeCold]

I have heard they make good lawyers. Is that true? or does it not really fit? Also I have heard they can make good Investors. do they?

What you're thinking of is the idealism. The bulk of law and monetary professions is tedious paperwork.

[Galen]

Whatever he/she loves to do and is good at.

[Timeless]

What is the career that best fits the ENTp's talents or abilities?

Pornographic movie translator.