Personal values versus Socionics

[Jimbean]

There is a separation between socionic values and personal values. I think this influences both interpersonal relations and behavior, even in socionic terms.

For example, as an ENTp, I personally value Ni and Se, instead of my socionic values of Si and Ne. Ne + Se make me sound dynamic. In business settings, I value Te, sometimes in which I do have as I am posting on this forum.

As an ENTp, I am able to get along well with betas, most Alphas and Gammas, and get along decently with Deltas. My best relations are with ENFj’s, this comes primarily from personal experience. My worst relations are with Delta NF’s, I live with two of them.

But does this mean I am Beta ST? No. It means that I have beta (with a touch of Gamma) personal values. Most people have socionic values as their personal values, albeit beneath their awareness (there is some Ne Rick! ).

Does this make sense to everyone? I know this post is very ENTp-ish.

[Jimbean]

but that's what I'm stuck with

Generally when someone doesn't think very highly of their type, or doesn't like the idea of being that type, chances are they're not.

This, combined with people confusing their personal values with their own socionic values, explains why people mess up when typing themselves.

Could I get feedback from anyone?

[BLauritson]

I know a while back, I went through a phase of feeling like I valued Ne (not with Si though), although that's since phased out.

[tcaudilllg]

Yes, people confuse their personal values with traits of their types, when in reality those values are but instances of those traits.

This is what makes it so difficult to come up with a good type description. It's much easier to describe a type "from your PoV" with a lot of non-type related data thrown in. Bias is difficult to avoid.

Look at enneagram for another example of the problem at work. (even worse because enneagram is without rigorous structure)