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    Could you list some? I am not sure how that manifests in dominants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying, UDP. I don't enjoy letting other people decide things -- I just get tired of having full responsibility for every single decision with no input from anywhere else at all. I would much like having someone to bounce ideas off of and to help with choosing which would be the best way to go on something, not someone who would decide for me - yuck. Don't decide for me - I don't want that - just argh, I'm not explaining very well apparently. Helping someone with something doesn't mean you do it for them. It's like if I could lay out my choices and what my plans were, and get some kind of input as to whether one idea was better than the other, and why they thought so -- it doesn't mean I'd even go along with what they thought was better, but I'd have that input and help, and it wouldn't just be me trying to weigh the choices against each other.
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    Depends on whether you are talking about INFj or ISFj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP
    Could you list some? I am not sure how that manifests in dominants.
    Take a look at Minde's "What's my type" threads and on how she approaches the answers and discussions.
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    Yes, that's a good example. Those threads have been (and still are) invaluable in helping me figure out socionics. First, I got a lot of the theory explained to me, mostly via Smilingeyes. Spelling things out like that helps a lot and I appreciated it while it lasted. Now I need help in identifying some of the people I interact with regularly. For me, sometimes it's hard to connect ideas to reality. Concepts can be pretty as they float about in my head, but often they're just so many words. As Expat and others point out aspects of socionics in the people I describe, other parts of the theory start falling into place and I start getting a feel for how it actually works. The more sure the opinion/information is, the easier it is for me to figure things out. (So, perhaps my posts are bit if Si seeking as well? The whole how-the-system-actually-works part? Mostly Te, though.)
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    So I was at dinner filling up cups of water for people. I filled one cup, then the next, then the next.

    My INFj friend came up to me and said, "why are you doing it that way, that's so primitive," and he gave me a pitcher so I could just fill that up all at once. Then I was thinking... "Hmm, is this his Te Dual seeking function!?" (how nerdy of me)

    Yeah, so I was wondering if this was an example of Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peteronfireee View Post
    So I was at dinner filling up cups of water for people. I filled one cup, then the next, then the next.

    My INFj friend came up to me and said, "why are you doing it that way, that's so primitive," and he gave me a pitcher so I could just fill that up all at once. Then I was thinking... "Hmm, is this his Te Dual seeking function!?" (how nerdy of me)

    Yeah, so I was wondering if this was an example of Te.
    Seems more like showing off Te: "Hey, look at me, I can do this effectively." I've sometimes done that, but to call you primitive? haha, that's a little extreme.

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    Real Te with Si would fill up each cup separately, this means you procrastinate over the easy stuff while someone else gets the hard stuff to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peteronfireee View Post
    So I was at dinner filling up cups of water for people. I filled one cup, then the next, then the next.

    My INFj friend came up to me and said, "why are you doing it that way, that's so primitive," and he gave me a pitcher so I could just fill that up all at once. Then I was thinking... "Hmm, is this his Te Dual seeking function!?" (how nerdy of me)

    Yeah, so I was wondering if this was an example of Te.
    So you're ISTj? I think the bigger question is, are you using your dual-seeking function of Fe to connect to other people? Ah haha, can you see the irony?

    Just kidding, you're just trying to understand them better, most likely using Ti if you're ISTj.

    And, on the topic, yes that would be an example of an INFj trying to use Te.
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    "If someone experiences a deficiency of it in his environment, he may attempt to supply it himself, but become soon exhausted."

    Does your INFj friend lack people in his life who use Te? Parents, friends, coworkers, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Real Te with Si would fill up each cup separately, this means you procrastinate over the easy stuff while someone else gets the hard stuff to do
    Haha nice. I agree with you on something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    So you're ISTj? I think the bigger question is, are you using your dual-seeking function of Fe to connect to other people? Ah haha, can you see the irony?

    Just kidding, you're just trying to understand them better, most likely using Ti if you're ISTj.

    And, on the topic, yes that would be an example of an INFj trying to use Te.
    Functions - Wikisocion
    "If someone experiences a deficiency of it in his environment, he may attempt to supply it himself, but become soon exhausted."

    Does your INFj friend lack people in his life who use Te? Parents, friends, coworkers, etc?
    So just half an hour ago you didn't know what PoLR was and now your an expert? That's impressive. I'll have to pay you more attention
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    So you're ISTj? I think the bigger question is, are you using your dual-seeking function of Fe to connect to other people? Ah haha, can you see the irony?

    Just kidding, you're just trying to understand them better, most likely using Ti if you're ISTj.

    And, on the topic, yes that would be an example of an INFj trying to use Te.
    Functions - Wikisocion
    "If someone experiences a deficiency of it in his environment, he may attempt to supply it himself, but become soon exhausted."

    Does your INFj friend lack people in his life who use Te? Parents, friends, coworkers, etc?
    Yeah, I feel like I use Fe quite a bit...I've noticed that I try to get some type of reaction from people in my blogs and facebook statuses, heh. Overall though I suck at Fe

    But yeah, my INFj friend is trying to become a pastor and he relies on me quite a bit to carry out his vision, which can be exhausting. He centers a lot of his things on connecting to people through tons of activities and projects. I feel like he is looking for Te-oriented people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Seems more like showing off Te: "Hey, look at me, I can do this effectively." I've sometimes done that, but to call you primitive? haha, that's a little extreme.
    That's what I'm thinking, "I know of a way you can do this more efficiently, see how I Te! "
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    What if an SEI or IEI suggested that to you? What would that mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greeter View Post
    What if an SEI or IEI suggested that to you? What would that mean?
    Yeah, I'd be surprised if any of this was type related.

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    Would have called that Fi, for whatever little it's worth.

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    This is something I've been wondering for a while now, how Te DS becomes apparent in an IXFj. I had a meeting today with my ISFj boss, who I had typed INFj before. I have a harder time typing older people, and he seems Fi-sub. Regardless, here's part of the negotiation process we had with a client "Bob" today concerning a quote (not that it really matters, but I suspect the client is ESTp):

    -Bob: We'd like to know how much you want to charge for testing, since we have another laboratory that has worked on this before... You understand that if I take this to my boss and he finds it expensive, he'll ask how much the other lab will charge us...

    -Boss: Oh... Yeah, I understand. If it's too high then just tell us and we'll lower it to match their price.

    - Bob: Well, what you're asking for might be a lot lower than the other lab too, in which case I'll let you know.

    - Boss: Yeah, if it's lower then we can just increase the price.

    I wanted to face-palm throughout this conversation... It was apparent to me that my boss doesn't have much business sense, but on the other hand, the mistakes he made were completely obvious to me during the negotiation. I had a chance to glance at the quotation and my boss was actually charging them cheap as it is, to even consider lowering our quote. I was actually surprised at how honest and nice Bob was about this, considering that he could have just kept his mouth shut and taken the quote. Then, go check the price of the competitor and if it's lower, just accept his offer without mentioning the difference in pricing.

    My boss seems to assume that others follow his code of conduct about everything. This isn't the first time something has happened where I don't think he has shown good business sense. He agreed with Bob during an earlier meeting to test out a curiosity he had which involved me working overtime, and when I pointed out the obvious (and felt awkward even mentioning) that Bob didn't say anything about paying for our troubles and that we're basically working for free, he just assumed that he would pay us later for it.

    It seems like there's a general consensus when I come across Te descriptions that it is somehow related to "business" and "profit." Well, my boss is also bad with money... I talk to the accountant in charge of handling his money and she's always telling me how frustrating it is that he doesn't seem to care about allocating his funds, or doesn't keep track of how much money he has.

    My intention is not to bash the ISFj type, since I know my boss is a unique case. However, it makes me wonder what's going on here in terms of socionics, if there is something related to it. I seem to be more business-savvy that he is even though I've barely been involved in negotiations like this, and we're both Te-DS. Maybe it's just that I'm very mistrusting towards people when it comes to these things, which then translates into me being aware of how we could have been easily "played" by Bob (though I wouldn't blame him if he had kept his mouth shut at that point). So yeah, I'm curious as to what you guys think.

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    Well, for one, being aware of a vulnerability allows one to recognize when there's a problem in future situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    ^ Captain Obvious hath spoken.
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    LOL ur story made me chuckle, Lobo That innocence really is sweet.

    I'm thinking perhaps your ability to use Ne is what gave you the greater insight into your boss' foibles. Perhaps this phenomenon (in perhaps a magnified form) is what causes supervision from IEE to ESI. Perhaps because an IEE might not be able to keep the Ne insights to themselves as much as you do being a creative Ne user, because it's just part of living/breathing to the IEE being the dom function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    ^ Captain Obvious hath spoken.
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    Damn straight.


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    LOL ur story made me chuckle, Lobo That innocence really is sweet.

    I'm thinking perhaps your ability to use Ne is what gave you the greater insight into your boss' foibles. Perhaps this phenomenon (in perhaps a magnified form) is what causes supervision from IEE to ESI. Perhaps because an IEE might not be able to keep the Ne insights to themselves as much as you do being a creative Ne user, because it's just part of living/breathing to the IEE being the dom function.
    Yeah, it could be an Ne issue too. He tries to force himself through situations rather than considering other things going on at the time, the possibilities. He hinted at me one time that I would lose my job if I didn't complete a task by hook or by brook, that there is no failure allowed, or some bs like that. Anyway, the relationship I have with my boss makes me wonder how does the Te DS show up in general for IXFjs, or does it even show the same way? He doesn't seem to be as interested in system efficiency as I am, but he does like to rely on numbers/facts more than I do (I sometimes don't see the point in using facts to arrive to a conclusion, rather than applying Ti).

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    Te DS.. These people want events to unfold according to a procedure. All processes have a correct procedure.

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    Why do the idiots always get the promotions? I'm guessing Bob has just been there a long time and knows the silly procedures.

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    Fi judges morality of actions. A consequence of that is procedures for how events should unfold. There's a direct relationship between that. How well do you really know your duals DS function?

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    Why do you think duals rarely hook up? It's hard to land a dual. It's hard to provide your dual with what they need. It takes stepping out of your comfort zone. Duality is about idealism, but it doesnt translate well into a day to day relationship. ENTjs use Te the total opposite of how Te DS tries to use it. It's way more fluid and interactive in the ego than it is in DS.

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    It's much easier to sleep with the person you benefit or supervise than it is to land a dual. To get with the dual you need to be thrown together by circumstances. It's a phenomenal thing that occurs. Its very difficult to try and approach a dual without intervening circumstances and force a relationship to start. I have tried.. some sparks fly and then it just fizzles out because both people stay in their ego, and that keeps them separated. But I know I could get the INTj and ESFj girls to suck my dick. Problem is INTj girls are afraid of sex, and then they'd become obsessive stalkers afterwards.

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    Wow, boss is not so smart. If I were him I'd at least have combed through the books to get a good overview of the company's baseline operating expenses like payroll/associated costs, rent, taxes, interest charges, and depreciation, then draw up estimates of the particular expenses of doing what Bob needed so you could hit at least some minimum profit margin based off of the going rates in the industry, probably by doing some research in obtaining competitor quotes and studying their financials if they're a public company. I don't know how long he's been in the business or how the company's looking, so maybe he has at least some idea of what he's got to charge to turn acceptable profit, but it just sounds like he's playing fast and loose about it in a way that's asking to be taken advantage of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Well enough to say what I just did. And I know I don't think in terms of specific procedures, so if someone's looking for that kind of guidance, they're not going to get it from me.
    You probably do but just don't recognize it. It's likely that you won't think about them as correct procedures, just as "a nice idea about the way I think something might be done". Then some static-IJ type happens to hook into it and finds what he-she was looking for and uses it over and over (creation-creating).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Most all relationships between people start by incidental circumstance. It's not really something that can be planned or forced to happen.
    No, most good relationships start that way. But I have tons of shitty relationships, like the ones on this board. Duality is the ideal of a perfect relationship as far as socionics is concerned.

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    What kind of corruption would take in place. For that to be the biggest dream. Atleast the lack of concern for societal values and the will to serve own desire as highest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    To get with the dual you need to be thrown together by circumstances. It's a phenomenal thing that occurs. Its very difficult to try and approach a dual without intervening circumstances and force a relationship to start. I have tried.. some sparks fly and then it just fizzles out because both people stay in their ego, and that keeps them separated.
    I dont always agree with you, but what you said here is ringing very very true ime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    You boss is following an altruistic strategy when it comes to business. He was essentially focusing on pleasing the customer and broadcasting how open and cooperative he is. The hidden message here is: "see? I will seek to cooperate with you and hide nothing, doing business with me is safe". In case of Bob this strategy has worked as Bob has decided to do business with him. In part it also worked because it sounds like Bob is following same strategy himself. As you have noted he could have just went to check competitor's price and kept his mouth shut. The Te DS hasn't really come into play yet. Now if Bob starts breaking business agreements and your boss will still put up with him rather than judge him incompetent that's where his Te DS will show. Or likewise if Bob fails on some small irrelevant thing and your boss totally blows his top off over it that would be Te DS also.

    With respect to him not taking care of finances I really don't think this has to do with Te. I've known several Te ignoring, Te roles and Te PoLR personalities who would watch for such things like hawks. This appears to have something to do with Si if anything, but the connection isn't as simple as to say that all Si egos are good at tracking finances and other types fail at it.
    Well, my boss gets mad when people don't act according to his standards, which tend to be unrealistic. It's almost as if he lives in his own illusion of how things should be in the world, and he doesn't seem to be able to re-evaluate his standards by himself. I can see the altruistic strategy being related to Fi. The Te-DS might be him swearing by certain procedures without considering that they might be wrong (this last part might be Ne-polr).

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Te DS.. These people want events to unfold according to a procedure. All processes have a correct procedure.
    I can see this being the case for ISFjs more than for INFjs though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Why do the idiots always get the promotions? I'm guessing Bob has just been there a long time and knows the silly procedures.
    , Bob is a nice guy, but what he did wasn't good business practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Wow, boss is not so smart. If I were him I'd at least have combed through the books to get a good overview of the company's baseline operating expenses like payroll/associated costs, rent, taxes, interest charges, and depreciation, then draw up estimates of the particular expenses of doing what Bob needed so you could hit at least some minimum profit margin based off of the going rates in the industry, probably by doing some research in obtaining competitor quotes and studying their financials if they're a public company. I don't know how long he's been in the business or how the company's looking, so maybe he has at least some idea of what he's got to charge to turn acceptable profit, but it just sounds like he's playing fast and loose about it in a way that's asking to be taken advantage of.
    What's worse is that he waited until maybe 30min before the meeting to prepare the quote, lol. I glanced at the numbers he put in, and they were so low... In fact, Bob contacted him today saying that the quote was below competitors and we could raise it. I didn't even know people did that.

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    He might be the people-pleaser sub-type. Or, certain people, anyway.

    I personally feel like I am way too naive in my business approaches. I'm pretty trusting, tending to automatically believe that everyone is genuine and well-intentioned. I want to like people; and I am happy when they like me back. Thus I am often open and giving, especially when given questions or requests.

    This attitude, while ideal for me - I feel it's probably a little dangerous. Especially since I'm running my own business. Happily, thus far I've been alright and have not been obviously taken advantage of.

    But I guess since I can face that it's a weakness, as the second post pointed out, that gives me a little more control over it. With regard to accounting I was "bad" at it for awhile, and I still don't consider it my favorite, but building up a routine has helped as well as my instinctual love for order, so now my finances are relatively organized.


    Anyway, I don't think I actually have anything useful to say here. I don't know what the socionic difference between you and your boss is. Just wanted to chip in how some of this resonated with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    What's worse is that he waited until maybe 30min before the meeting to prepare the quote, lol. I glanced at the numbers he put in, and they were so low... In fact, Bob contacted him today saying that the quote was below competitors and we could raise it. I didn't even know people did that.
    Bob is one nice SOB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Well, my boss gets mad when people don't act according to his standards, which tend to be unrealistic. It's almost as if he lives in his own illusion of how things should be in the world, and he doesn't seem to be able to re-evaluate his standards by himself. I can see the altruistic strategy being related to Fi. The Te-DS might be him swearing by certain procedures without considering that they might be wrong (this last part might be Ne-polr).
    Him getting mad when people don't act according to his standards is likely cuz he is boss. I mean isn't that what bosses are supposed to do, set standards and then enforce certain order? That his standards are unrealistic might be because he is not a super intelligent guy. Alternatively, he has reasons for doing things that are not clear to you at this point, so you think that he is doing something stupid when in reality what he is doing actually works. Not checking whether his procedures are actually hitting the goal might have something to do with Te-DS I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    He might be the people-pleaser sub-type. Or, certain people, anyway.

    I personally feel like I am way too naive in my business approaches. I'm pretty trusting, tending to automatically believe that everyone is genuine and well-intentioned. I want to like people; and I am happy when they like me back. Thus I am often open and giving, especially when given questions or requests.

    This attitude, while ideal for me - I feel it's probably a little dangerous. Especially since I'm running my own business. Happily, thus far I've been alright and have not been obviously taken advantage of.

    But I guess since I can face that it's a weakness, as the second post pointed out, that gives me a little more control over it. With regard to accounting I was "bad" at it for awhile, and I still don't consider it my favorite, but building up a routine has helped as well as my instinctual love for order, so now my finances are relatively organized.


    Anyway, I don't think I actually have anything useful to say here. I don't know what the socionic difference between you and your boss is. Just wanted to chip in how some of this resonated with me.
    Thing is you're probably not half as paranoid as I am when it comes to trusting strangers, lol. I like people too for the most part, but I understand how they can act differently than how I'd expect them too. It's like I'm bombarded with possibilities of how things can turn out for better or for worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Or your boss is merely an idiot.

    Except it's not.
    He's not stupid. What I meant was that ISFjs will not stray away from ways of doing things that have worked for them before. INFjs being Ne-creative are more likely to try/consider different procedures.

    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    Him getting mad when people don't act according to his standards is likely cuz he is boss. I mean isn't that what bosses are supposed to do, set standards and then enforce certain order? That his standards are unrealistic might be because he is not a super intelligent guy. Alternatively, he has reasons for doing things that are not clear to you at this point, so you think that he is doing something stupid when in reality what he is doing actually works. Not checking whether his procedures are actually hitting the goal might have something to do with Te-DS I agree.
    I don't agree with that notion about how bosses are supposed to be . I'll give you an example of his standards: He bitched at me once because I couldn't get an appointment with Bob, again threatening me, that it's my job to do things at all costs "and not rely solely on e-mails and phone calls." How else am I going to get the appointment if not by e-mails and phone calls? I even drove to his office and he wasn't there. His reprimands are borderline crazy at times, and then when you don't solve the issue he uses disappointment in you as a way to make you feel bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I don't agree with that notion about how bosses are supposed to be . I'll give you an example of his standards: He bitched at me once because I couldn't get an appointment with Bob, again threatening me, that it's my job to do things at all costs "and not rely solely on e-mails and phone calls." How else am I going to get the appointment if not by e-mails and phone calls? I even drove to his office and he wasn't there. His reprimands are borderline crazy at times, and then when you don't solve the issue he uses disappointment in you as a way to make you feel bad.
    I guess you're supposed to do it by carefully inquiring about Bob's home address and then stalking him at his house every time your boss needs an appointment Inability to clearly define your role and responsibilities may have something to do with Te-DS but I am not sure, haven't had much experience with ISPjs in authoritative positions to say whether they tend to behave like this. Static types do tend to have more of this "I want what I want" approach when dealing with others like you describe of your boss. How sure are you that he is ISFj by the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Nope. I just tell people what the situation is and what their goal ought to be in the face of that. How they get there is up to them.
    Strange, usually it's the exact opposite for me. People can choose whatever goals they want, and I usually tell them what they should do based on that. It seems presumptuous to think that you can tell someone what their goals should be, but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I can see this being the case for ISFjs more than for INFjs though.
    It just depends on what the process is aiming for. INFjs want this state of perfect harmony. ISFjs want their own plans to be fulfilled.

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