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    As I am a little sceptical about online tests, I decided to write a description of myself instead. As I believe this forum is visited by some really knowledgeable people, I also believe that I am not wasting my time here, something that would be the case on most of the forums on the internet. Here we go:

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    To begin with, I am a very private person who keeps a very long distance between me and other people. There are a few exceptions but they are essentially confined to my immediate family and even then it is not like I actually reveal even half of what is truly going on within me, or what I am thinking. I seem to have a longer distance between myself and my closest friends than they have between each other, although I don’t know if this is due to that I do not share interests in the same degree. At school I do socialize as long as the people in question are interesting enough, but I can’t get away from the feeling that I am floating along a river only to make sporadic contact with the shore, as opposed to actually staying there. It seems like it is a lot easier to get acquaintances as opposed to close friends, partly as relationships develop slowly for me.

    I am completely unable to engage in small talk and very quiet when meeting new people. Talking for its own sake bore me to tears, and I would rather do something comparably productive such as watching paint dry rather then listen to small talk. I can stand discussions relating to school if necessary together with discussions about odd occurrences such as “what will that man do with his 2 meter plastic pipe on a damn island?” If it is about personal relationships, and it’s lacking novelty value, or your oh so cute dog, then expect to be ignored. With all this, notice thought that I can definitely appear social with people that I know, but often with a fairly large distance. I prefer intellectual subjects.

    I can be perceived as arrogant in some instances, but to me it is only a confidence in my own abilities. Fools attempting to come off as anything more than they are are on other hand worthy of nothing but contempt. The same goes for people that try to regulate anything that I do just because they can’t keep their noses out of what I am doing. Constructive criticism, sure that is fine, even though I might take it personally as a personal failure, but plain bitching? No thanks. In these cases I can certainly be rude, but I prefer to just react with really caustic sarcasm.

    My mood is generally fairly stable. Of an odd reason people outside my immediate family tend to label me as *very* calm, while my family believes that I have a very hot temperament. I do not believe that one necessarily is wrong, but rather that it does take a lot and fairly particular things to actually piss me off, but when you do, then watch out. The best way to do it is to be an idiot. My default view of life is fairly cynical but yet optimistic, as I hardly see a need to be dwell on the negative aspects of life, but instead a need to either accept them or react. When the circumstances change, then my mood might change. If I suddenly get my hands on something interesting to do, then I can become very enthusiastic for a while. On the other hand it is rare for me to be really sad; it is more common to just be negative. Sadness would be confined to a few select experiences. Mostly I just notice “damn, oh well better luck another time”.

    This doesn’t mean that I lack emotions. I just constantly struggle to keep them under control and preventing them from being discernable from the outside. I do not in any way feel like I am involved in the characters in a movie, I can be drawn into the general theme and setting however. I have at times been emotionally involved at the cinema, but this a lot due to my high awareness for music and the general setting, hence it is the music in the film together with the general setting that manages to move me. An example of this could be a thing I saw posted on the net that consisted of some assorted gore/human suffering/etc made into a video with a sound track. I found myself being able to almost completely detach from the actual scenes, the sound track on the other hand…

    This brings me to another thing. I treat my interests very seriously. I very rarely approach things in the general “please entertain me” way of the rest of society. Music is something I take very seriously and I listen to very varying forms of music, from classical music to obscure metal. For me it is an art form and it works, as I once saw someone put it, as “a window to another world”, not to be interpreted as mere escapism, but rather due to curiosity. The same goes for literature and might explain why I actually enjoyed “War and Peace”, and didn’t see it as a chore to do for school. This of course does not mean that I do not enjoy entertainment once in a while, it is necessary for a human being, but then I would rather spend my time with a complex strategy game as opposed to a mindless FPS game.

    All this might be factor contributing to that I strongly dislike places like pubs and what is referred to as “parties”. In my opinion the only thing more annoying than an idiot is a drunk idiot. You are free to enjoy these if you want, just don’t expect me to do the same. I completely feel like a fish out of the water in these places as what I experience seems completely unlike what the rest are enjoying. This, however seems to have the side effect that my chances of not being a single are close to zero, hardly helped by my reluctance to take the initiative. I fear that my answer to the question “Do you love me?” would be a no, even if it happened to be the case and no one else was present, secretly hoping that some other sign would give away that the opposite was true, yet fearing this.

    I tend to set high standards for my performance, or perhaps using the goal is a better word, as often the standards are essentially equal to perfection and anything else is a failure. This means that I am a born perfectionist who is not satisfied unless I could not have done better, something I rarely believe in. I have a few loosely defined and changing goals in life that I am constantly working towards, but it is not like I have a detailed plan on how to do it. I will deal with the particular problems when it is necessary, why work out a definite plan that won’t work? It sounds like a waste of energy to me.

    As a whole I tend not to be organised only work out a very rough plan whenever I deem it necessary to complete the task at hand. I do not plan my life as a whole. The last notes in my calendar were written a month ago by my mother in a futile attempt to make me “organised”. On the other hand I began to work from the beginning in a university course I had an exam in yesterday because I knew that it was going to be a lot of work, and even if I can do a lot of work the last week, I know that I would rather do a little work every day rather than having to work fanatically the last days, even if I am capable of it if necessary.

    On now we move on to another subject, that is neatness. I personally do not see me as particularly messy, notice the key word here “personally”. According to the standards of some of my relatives, I ought to take care of it better, but I attribute it to a higher tolerance level for chaos. I just don’t need everything in a perfect order, perhaps partly due to that I am oblivious too it. To have my dishes spread out is not a nuisance, neither is it to have some papers all over the table. On the other hand I am not filthy, as I take care of it if it reaches a critical level, or if it is in the way.

    Sometimes this can result in fairly odd situations. I knew that I had to bring out the vacuum cleaner due to dust lying on the floor that I had brought in after a walk in the forest, but when did I do it? Not on a normal time, but right before that I was supposed to run off to a dinner at university, in spite of having thought about it for days, all the while waiting for “inspiration”. I do not care very much about my appearance as long as I meet my own standards, which happen to be fairly dark, often single coloured, and ordinary clothes with jeans. I won’t ever combine a blue shirt with black jeans, and such other horrible colour combinations, but that is about it. I have never EVER cared for fashion, and my mother usually either had to force me to go with her or buy clothes, or buy them herself.

    I could write a few words about my interest. I feel that I have way too many interests and too little time to spend on them. I enjoy most forms of reading as long as it is not “romance novels”, and music. I am also an avid fan of different forms of games, primarily strategic games, and I belong to the few who actually enjoy playing a game with a 50 page rule book with VERY small letters in it, and no nice graphics, only dry markers. The most of the fun in this, I derive from understanding how to win, not to win, even though I still dislike losing a lot. I am very inclined to begin with a new hobby, but to actually finish all these pet projects seems impossible. And that doesn’t count all my planned projects, which probably outnumber the actually begun ones even more.

    One thing that I enjoy immensely is solitary walks, particularly if it is outside the city or it’s dark. Walking in the moonlight on/around the golf course next to where I used to live was a wonderful experience, and allowed time both for reflection or a wonderful setting that enhance the listening experience for certain types of music. I still do some of these walks, although the surroundings are a lot less interesting.

    One thing that I really ought to take care of better is regular exercise, but often I just lose interest or forget it if I try to make it a habit. This might be a reason to why I have made it end in itself to use my bike unless absolutely necessary, and not to use elevator unless absolutely necessary either. Unbelievably enough this seems to keep me very fit together with some other exercising that can be done at home, as I just won’t ever go to a gym. I am almost bordering on being underweight, although this is not the cause of my somewhat irregular eating habits, but rather by a very high metabolism. If I often buy the same sort of food, it’s not due to a need for consistency, but rather because I just can’t be bothered to think about something new as it is not a priority for me.

    It is about time to move on and in to my mind now, isn’t it? I could begin to write a little about my abilities. I am in many ways a renaissance man, unlike a lot of my old class mates who were fairly specialised. I am a quick learner and am able to learn most things with ease, with the exception of a few physical activities, for example I was never very good at football, partly because I lacked the cutthroat attitude there as a child. There was only one person on my school that actually was able to outperform me, but not by much, in math, and he scored in the top 10 of our age in the final a nationwide competition in my country.

    I have a knack for language, particularly if it is written, and my dear teacher described my ability when it comes to putting the language together as “almost unique”, performing a speech is another story as I am not too fond of it. Tell me a word, and I will most likely write it down correctly, even if I have never seen it before, as long as it is not an exception to the rules. I never needed to study much grammar, but rather went with my feeling for what was right. Another thing to discuss here could be the fact that I of some reason also performed very well in the arts. I had talent there that I have never put to much use as the course was always set towards the sciences.

    My memory is brilliant, and I can remember surprisingly much of what I learn in my first years in school. If I am interested in something, then the potential is almost infinite if I am trying to remember it. The hook is that I have to be interested in it. I generally learn the general structure of something almost immediately but have to work more to remember exact names of the parts, even if I know what they are, do and are located. Still, I tend to remember these details fairly easily.

    My reasoning is fairly odd and seems hard to understand for a lot people; often I have a heard time to translate my understanding of something into something easily explainable to other people. While reading something in a newspaper I might make an association which is often met with a “What?” In these cases it is not worth the effort to explain what I was thinking about. A lot of the time my thinking is nonverbal or supported by only a few words thrown in.

    Often my mind feels like it is drifting away and branching off into different directions. Unless I have something particular in mind, I have a hard time to focus my thoughts; this is in stark contrast to when I have something in mind, which results in a complete focus on the idea in question. When talking with someone, I often have to make a conscious effort to return to what we were talking about earlier and settle it, as I otherwise would derail the topic too much. This is exactly how I read on the internet as well.

    One thing that I often find myself doing is thinking about how something is interpreted or perceived, rather than what is perceived in the first place, I walked past an advertisement a few days ago which portrayed a pretty attractive woman’s face. I do not remember what the advertisement was about, but I looked at it to almost immediately reflect about the supposed link between the product and “beauty”, “happiness” and other promised dreams, all the while seeing it as an insult to my intelligence. Then, as usual and always a bit surprising, it occurred to me that people actually are fooled by this, something that makes me worry about out future.

    Another example is when someone told my class a compliment after the introduction days. It went something like: “You are the best!”, and I immediately thought: Would you tell us the opposite? It is just another social expectation to say this to please the crowd. A compliment from someone who can not say the opposite is not worth much. I am also very sensitive to the choice of words by an author. By looking at how it is written, you can see the author’s opinion about the subject by analysing the choice of word. I remember looking at an article about Ralph Nader before the previous election and reacting upon how obvious it was (to me) that the author wanted him to resign and not “steal” votes from Kerry.

    I am good at guessing/inferring where a given set of data will lead me. In a class, the professor mentioned a thing about the Chernobyl accident. This was enough for me to, together with the certain background info about a structure within the body, immediately realise why a certain action was undertaken after the accident, something that he then explained for the next 30 seconds. On a dinner, I heard a funny story. In this case I began to quietly laugh long before the story was finished, as I already knew what the point was going to be, and it was quite funny. I felt rather amazed that most people actually needed to hear the punch line; they hadn’t drunk that much from what I knew...

    I am much more interested in theory than I am in application as I see it as a lower order necessity. Even when I learn about information meant for practical application, it is often the understanding of how it works that interests me more than what you could do. For example, if I learn that you can do this if you know that, then I am happy about *learning* this, not because “ah now I can do this!” This might explain my interest in philosophy I guess… I am constantly searching for the “truth” and trying to further my understanding of the world.

    When I am walking somewhere I tend to have my focus inwards with some focus outwards just in case something interesting occurs. This means that I do not notice anything that is labelled as “less than interesting”. I am completely oblivious to these things. I generally just turn my focus inwards and enjoys my inner world. This reminds me of that perhaps I should mention that I am perfectly content with being alone for long periods of time.

    I dislike to be asked about binary choices as there is always a different way to approach the situation in my eyes. I can be more concerned here with what the question leaves out rather than what the questions provides me with. The key words here are: “If we interpret it this way then…” To summarise this, I like to look for possibilities but my life is not dominated by it. Instead it tunes in whenever it is needed, which means often, for me as a tool.

    One thing that I used to do as a child was to escape into imagined fantasy world, this could be inspired by a recent activity or just because I felt like it. Some of these things were completely independent of each other but throughout out the years I had somewhat of a main project which over the years turned into a world on its own. As it matured, the focus drifted from a central character representing me there, to a story that I built but did not have a relation to. The fun thing is that this world (Fantasy themed) has continued with me to this day, and I am still continuing the story. In a way it represents an abstract playground for my ideas about the world and not only escapism. (Thanks a lot for being anonymous here!)

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    To give some further food for thought, I will include a short summary of a few relationships and estimate their types. Perhaps this can make your work easier.

    First off is my mother. We are can coexist peacefully and even enjoy each other, but this never lasts as eventually her perverse desire to control what I do will cause the relationship equivalent of a nuclear war. This means that I on principle will act the opposite way of what she wants me to. Mentioning bringing milk to a party is also a good thing to do, as she does not understand when I am joking. Her blatant binary thinking also pisses me off, the same goes for her excessive use of straw man arguments. She also has an impressive ability to annoy me and is the only person to make me furious. I am inclined to guess LSE or LIE. ESE is a possibility but she just seems too much of into research “the facts” whenever it comes to a decision. I am sceptical about much Ti as she hates understanding and only cares for practical applications. Best bet is probably a logical extrovet

    My grandmother. We get along very well and have a close relationship. The only possible threat here is if she wants to control what I do too much. The difference with my mother is that here we can settle it with a skirmish, so it does not escalate in to Armageddon. I suspect here to be either an ESE or an ESI.

    A friend. We are similar but yet differing. I am the quieter one here. We share similar interests and can discuss topics very easily. The big difference is that I am more into science and philosophy; he is more into economics and such things. I would definitely guess for either ILI or ILE. Both have their merits. He is very much an incarnation of the Ne evil genius stereotype though.

    That was all. Any thoughts? If I have forgotten anything, feel free to ask. I believe I know what to make out of this, but I will remain silent until I get some responses

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    Your test results-
    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/beta3test...752538738.html

    interpreted according to my new method -




    ISTj or ISFj primary and secondary mode ...



    And I read some of what you wrote, and I will read more of it later. If people did this more often, there would be no need for type test.

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    I am completely unable to engage in small talk and very quiet when meeting new people. Talking for its own sake bore me to tears, and I would rather do something comparably productive such as watching paint dry rather then listen to small talk. I can stand discussions relating to school if necessary together with discussions about odd occurrences such as “what will that man do with his 2 meter plastic pipe on a damn island?” If it is about personal relationships, and it’s lacking novelty value, or your oh so cute dog, then expect to be ignored. With all this, notice thought that I can definitely appear social with people that I know, but often with a fairly large distance. I prefer intellectual subjects.
    Basically, you just said that you hate it when people expess a weak ... why do you think you place so much importance in people expressing ?

    Sometimes this can result in fairly odd situations. I knew that I had to bring out the vacuum cleaner due to dust lying on the floor that I had brought in after a walk in the forest, but when did I do it? Not on a normal time, but right before that I was supposed to run off to a dinner at university, in spite of having thought about it for days, all the while waiting for “inspiration”. I do not care very much about my appearance as long as I meet my own standards, which happen to be fairly dark, often single coloured, and ordinary clothes with jeans. I won’t ever combine a blue shirt with black jeans, and such other horrible colour combinations, but that is about it. I have never EVER cared for fashion, and my mother usually either had to force me to go with her or buy clothes, or buy them herself.
    ISFjs and ISTjs can develope tendencies towards specific color combinations, and tend to dispise seeing alot of oddly matched color combinations. ISFps and ISTps are not so perticular about this usually, and perfer to have a wider range of color choices.

    My memory is brilliant, and I can remember surprisingly much of what I learn in my first years in school. If I am interested in something, then the potential is almost infinite if I am trying to remember it. The hook is that I have to be interested in it. I generally learn the general structure of something almost immediately but have to work more to remember exact names of the parts, even if I know what they are, do and are located. Still, I tend to remember these details fairly easily.
    People who are based are like this, especially ISTjs ...

    This doesn’t mean that I lack emotions. I just constantly struggle to keep them under control and preventing them from being discernable from the outside.
    Sounds like someone who has as a ROLE function

    I fear that my answer to the question “Do you love me?” would be a no, even if it happened to be the case and no one else was present, secretly hoping that some other sign would give away that the opposite was true, yet fearing this.
    Also as a ROLE function

    I tend to set high standards for my performance, or perhaps using the goal is a better word, as often the standards are essentially equal to perfection and anything else is a failure. This means that I am a born perfectionist who is not satisfied unless I could not have done better, something I rarely believe in. I have a few loosely defined and changing goals in life that I am constantly working towards, but it is not like I have a detailed plan on how to do it. I will deal with the particular problems when it is necessary, why work out a definite plan that won’t work? It sounds like a waste of energy to me.
    Something about intuition, but it is not expressed as a mode of confidence ...

    I dislike to be asked about binary choices as there is always a different way to approach the situation in my eyes. I can be more concerned here with what the question leaves out rather than what the questions provides me with. The key words here are: “If we interpret it this way then…” To summarise this, I like to look for possibilities but my life is not dominated by it. Instead it tunes in whenever it is needed, which means often, for me as a tool.
    Even more things to be said about intuition, but only as a tool ... very little confidence in the power of intuition is expressed here.

    I am much more interested in theory than I am in application as I see it as a lower order necessity. Even when I learn about information meant for practical application, it is often the understanding of how it works that interests me more than what you could do. For example, if I learn that you can do this if you know that, then I am happy about *learning* this, not because “ah now I can do this!” This might explain my interest in philosophy I guess… I am constantly searching for the “truth” and trying to further my understanding of the world.
    An expression of to some degree ...

    Another example is when someone told my class a compliment after the introduction days. It went something like: “You are the best!”, and I immediately thought: Would you tell us the opposite? It is just another social expectation to say this to please the crowd. A compliment from someone who can not say the opposite is not worth much. I am also very sensitive to the choice of words by an author. By looking at how it is written, you can see the author’s opinion about the subject by analysing the choice of word. I remember looking at an article about Ralph Nader before the previous election and reacting upon how obvious it was (to me) that the author wanted him to resign and not “steal” votes from Kerry.
    Tha is so rediculously something an ISTj would say it is not even funny!

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    You could be an LSI. If not, possibaly LII, because you sound like a dominant person.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    You could be an LSI. If not, possibaly LII, because you sound like a dominant person.
    I know, that is exactly what I said to myself after I got through reading that ... so obviously oriented it is rediculous ...

    Not to mention some really obvious indicators of ISTj logic ...

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    Hmm I fear that I didn't include much about intuition... Will have to clean that up later.

    I guess I have to clear up my usage of it as a "tool". My point here was to convey that I am not using it the way an dominant person does. It is not dominating my mind so to speak. My most dominant function is most likely Ti. That does not mean that I am not using inttuition. They key word in my post was "often", that is it tunes in most of the time. If you would see me talk with someone, it would be easier to understand, I and some of my friends fit the stereotype of the using persons. That is, huge leaps in the conversation and derailing the topic horribly. Being encumbered with details is my view of hell. It is not my fault that I remember them of an odd reason .

    My grandfather is most likely an ISTj, and even if I can agree with that we share some traits, we are not similar. One word that describes me well is "iconoclast", while he is much, much more conservative. I am open to methods as long as I can discern that they have a potential to work. I also show an utter lack of respect to authority unlike him, even if I can be pragmatic and "respect" it if needed.

    Regarding the colour combinations... I like the colours as they do not stand out very much, perhaps the main reason. Why I will not combine colours in certain ways has to do that the dissonance in the colours hurts, just like a really ugly block of concrete stands out like an eyscore in a forest. It stands and hurt the "order" and beauty of nature so to speak.

    The INTj uncovered profile is more or less me BTW. I have to run of the school now, will coment more later.

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    Heimdallr,

    Let me ask you this.

    Let's suppose you are being driven in a car along a fairly complicated itinerary for the very first time. You do not expect to have to drive along that itinerary yourself.

    However, if, upon arriving at the destination, someone asks you to drive all the way back, giving you references such as "you know, you just turn to the left after that big tree we passed - you know, it was fairly obvious" - would you feel confident in getting it right, or would you prefer to have a map drawn for you?
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    If I did not expect to do it, I might need a map as I quite simply wouldn't have paid any attention to the route. This is all assuming that I was not familiar enough to orient in the area to begin with. If I was paying attention, I would be very confident to get it right and not ask, although my pride might play a part in it. Real men do NOT ask for directions

    The problem is that I am orienting in a very male way and am damn good at it, i.e. almost purely by judging directions and distances, and does not pay attention to details. Hence the result here depends on what exactly is the most important part of remembering the route. I won't remember "that big tree" unless it is painfully obvious, that's for sure.

    Can you explain the point of the question? (This is not a negative remark, just interested of your theory supporting it!)

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    First, I could have written your reply myself, except for the "not asking for directions because real men don't" - - that strikes me as illogical.

    According to your answer - and to other things I picked up in your description - I conclude that you are INTj, not ISTj. Congratulations.

    The point of my question was to see how strong your is. Again, I would have replied like you did because I simply would not have paid attention to details on the way, unless I was making a conscious effort to do it.

    I have observed this in other INTjs, and INFjs and even INTps, as well - all with weak

    On the other hand, I have observed that strong types such as ESTps and ISTjs, and even ISFps, tend to naturally pick up the details of the itinerary. Their inclination is to pay attention to what they're seeing, while intuitives tend to let our minds go elsewhere.

    Indeed, that was how an ESTp I knew would mostly hit my POLR -- "I mean, turn left after that house with the green gate! What do you mean you never noticed it? You drive past it every single day! Are you blind?"

    Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, I am convinced you are not ISTj, but INTj.
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    I went and looked through the LSI and LII profiles on scoionics.com and marked what is fitting me. It looks like you have decided that I, eh am dominant Just a question, how bad is it? Am I a likely candidate for writing "life from a dominants perspective"?

    To use a new method here, I will spilt the profliles in three parts. The part written with normal letters I am farily indifferent to, they might fit but not too much, the same goes for if they do not, these I believe fit me very well while these are in direct conflict with my personality. I will not bother with the INTj uncovered profile as it is not necessary. There is very little that do not fit, and none is in conflict with my personality. I believe I will only include the plus/minus profilles as they are more concise:

    INTj:

    You have a strong analytical mind and an ability to understand the structural patterns of any phenomena. You are objective and have a strong sense of justice. You always distinguish primary from secondary avoiding unnecessary details. Through logical progression you can extract and convey a concept to others, always directing peoples' attention to the main idea. You have good intuition. Having analysed an idea and understood its importance and potential you are often converted to it. Your creative intuition constantly develops and perfects it. You also have the ability to handle people carefully, to help them discover and develop their potential and to believe in it.

    One of your problems is that your facial expressions and demeanour do not always reflect your real feelings. This often leads others to think of you as a cold and distant person. You also tend to loose contact with people that you have made emotional connections with. Another of your problems is an inability to push your talents and make others aware of it. Your often absent self-confidence amplifies the problem. Sometimes you lack determination and do not adapt very well to rapidly changing life situations. This often makes your already difficult life worse. You often need outside stimulation when beginning new projects.
    A few comments: What I say about projects means this: I need some pressure to actually begin my projects before I tire of them. Not because of closure, I have not changed my life situation too much from what I know, but what I have done hasn't bothered me. I love to improvise so bring it on! (This is very ISTj, isn't it?:wink

    ISTj

    You are excellent at the detailed, meticulous and careful study of any situation. You are a disciplined and responsible person and do not like to waste your words. You aspire to have everything ordered and well organised both at home and at work. You have respect for authority and feel perfectly comfortable obeying established norms and rules. You do not like any form of disorganisation and irresponsibility. You are persistent and persevering when working towards your goals. You know well how to practically utilise reference material. You are a good administrator and always make sure that your instructions and plans are carried out to your specifications. You do not compromise when it comes to fulfilling your duties. You can impose discipline on to others especially those who do not fulfil their duties.

    You often have difficulties in maintaining even, stable relations with people. You are given to sudden, rough changes in attitude, one moment being kind and delicate, the next being tactless and pushy. You also have a tendency to appear unrestrained and even rough when in the company of people you know well. Sometimes you can be obtrusive with your problems. You often lack confidence in situations that require the breaking of old methods, especially if there is no clear proof of the reliability of the new method. You can be suspicious to new ideas and propositions that may require an alternative way of dealing with things. In these cases you can become confused, overwhelmed and disorientated.
    A few comments here. I might be a farily good administrator but I do not like it, nor do I strive for it unless I see it as absolutely necessary to prevent ragnarok. I do not like to do a poor job if I have agreed to do it, the problem here is to force me to promise it. You also have to realise that is primarily the lack of responsibility in other people that I dislike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heimdallr
    I love to improvise so bring it on! (This is very ISTj, isn't it?)
    No it isn't. ISTjs prefer to stick to plans and to tried methods.

    This , on the other hand, is very ISTj, and you just said that it is not you:

    You aspire to have everything ordered and well organised both at home and at work. You have respect for authority and feel perfectly comfortable obeying established norms and rules
    Sometimes you can be obtrusive with your problems. You often lack confidence in situations that require the breaking of old methods, especially if there is no clear proof of the reliability of the new method. You can be suspicious to new ideas and propositions that may require an alternative way of dealing with things. In these cases you can become confused, overwhelmed and disorientated.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Expat:

    It was a fairly odd joke that I made that exaggarated what I was saying.. Of a bizarre reason I like to refer to things in terms of "manliness" just for the hell of it (did I forget to mention my odd sense of humour?). I do ask for directions but if I believe myself to be able to manage it, I would rather not as I want to be self sufficient.

    By the way, I have a similar story. Before I graduated from, well let's just say our equivalent for Highschool+a year of college or so, some people had painted the name of their class on a path that I walked every day to my bike (blue colour on tarmac). This was a custom on my school, and the differnet classes that were going to graduate always performed such acts of either brilliance or blatant stupidity (depending on the average IQ in the class hehe..) to show their superiority. One time, someone mentioned in a conversation that this very class had painted this on that path. I answered: "What? Have they?"

    Apperantly those letters had been there for a few weeks and I passed that place more than twice every day...

    Edit: Noticed another thing. My "This is very ISTj, isn't it?" comment was ironic, sorry for that. I am very ironic and sarcastic in real life and unfortunately it is not as easy to detect it on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heimdallr
    Edit: Noticed another thing. My "This is very ISTj, isn't it?" comment was ironic, sorry for that. I am very ironic and sarcastic in real life and unfortunately it is not as easy to detect it on the internet.
    I see sarcasm as a manifestation of N. I never met a sarcastic or ironic ISTj.

    Sorry, if you expected to be typed as ISTj, I for one can't help you :wink:
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Then you sound more like an LII.

    ... great, another one...

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    Yeah, I read through all this, and I agree some of that what has been said does not indicate ISTj, but I am a tad skeptical. Though, I would say that the little test Expat gave was good, and that does sound intuitive.

    One thing that I can say for sure ...

    RoLE function:
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    So IXTj ...

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