I remember something a while back that said that Alpha comes up with new ideas, Beta tests them, Gamma measures them against what's tried and true, and Delta... accepts or rejects them?
I remember something a while back that said that Alpha comes up with new ideas, Beta tests them, Gamma measures them against what's tried and true, and Delta... accepts or rejects them?
Refines them, and gives them a human touch?Originally Posted by Joy
Nope; Beta tests them, and when the test is passed, they become "tried and true"; so Gamma refines them to obtain maximum efficiency.Originally Posted by Joy
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well, i think they're all equally goodOriginally Posted by ScarlettLux
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But subjectively, shouldn't she see Beta as having the best role, seeing as she is one?Originally Posted by FDG
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I dunno, I think Alpha tests them; Beta actually uses them for their intended purpose. Gamma refines. Delta makes use of the refined product.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I don't think so, people should always be objectiveOriginally Posted by Gilly
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Originally Posted by Gilly
So you're saying Alpha gets two steps? Inventing AND testing?
What does the bolded mean? That each quadra has a step, but Beta just uses the ideas as opposed to contributing to the full product the quadra's seem to be trying to form? And the same with Delta? Only after Gamma refines it?
I'm actually not seeing any sense in this ordering >.> So I'll stop..
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Well, Alpha experiments and tosses things around to see what's feasible; this looking like "two steps" is only a product of grammar. Once there's actually something there, Beta takes it and puts it to use. Once it's been used, Gamma takes it and fine-tunes it to how it needs to work based on what worked and what didn't in the Beta stage. Delta takes the finished product and uses it productively.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Is this a joke?Originally Posted by FDG
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Not always, but for example there can't be a better option among those, just like there can't be a better type, just like nobody should ever say Fe is better than Fi, even if they are a Fi or Fe type.Originally Posted by Gilly
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But it makes sense that she is attracted to her Quadra's role, no? Isn't that the way it should be?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
My point is... I have seen what Alpha does vs. what Gamma does pointed out and attributed in some way to Ti.
Uhm, I unwilligly admit that yes it makes sense, even if it'd be better if she remained impartialOriginally Posted by Gilly
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The Alpha role sucks!!!!
Okay, now that I have gotten that out, I think every type can invent something new, its just that they all go about it differently. Heck I even know of an inventive ISFj (no offense to ISFj's on here). The gamma quadra by nature (via information metabolism) is the most conservative when concerned with doing something different. Alphas are the least structured in this area and the other two quadras are somewhere in the middle.
I think Betas and Deltas are the most conservative quadras. Aristocracy=conservativism (in my experience)Originally Posted by Jimbean
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btw, I think Alpha is too naive and idealistic to test ideas the way Beta can. The way Alpha "tests" them is probably more similar to "Beta testing".
And I do think a lot of what Gamma does is measuring new ideas against what's tried and true and has withstood the test of time. Gamma isn't afraid of change, but don't see any value in change for the sake of change. It's all about what works.
HELLO USE YOUR NI FUNCTION, IF GAMMA IS AFTER BETA AND THOSE ARE HISTORICAL CYCLES, THEN WHAT GAMMA HAS AT ITS DISPOSAL IS EVERYTHING DONE BY BETAS, AND THAT'S WHAT IS "TRIED AND TRUE"Originally Posted by Joy
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Oh, ok. That makes sense.Originally Posted by Joy
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Originally Posted by Joy
I would say that is true most of the time. But not always
Also, as far as testing versus inventing, I actually do more testing and application than inventing. So this whole business about new ideas going through quadras is not as simple in reality.
What's "tried and true" is from previous cycles. It has to be implemented by Delta before it falls into the category I refer to as "tried and true".Originally Posted by FDG
Let's say people are already doing A. Alpha comes up with B, Beta tests it and fixes stuff if necessary, then it goes to Gamma. Gamma evaluates whether B is of greater value than A. If it is, it's implemented by Delta and then becomes what is "tried and true".
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There, that is my experience.Originally Posted by Diana
I think there's something to be said for Beta in terms of finding was to utilize Alpha's ideas. There's also something to be said for Delta in terms of ethical evaluation of the ideas and the implementation of the ideas.
(And I agree with Diana.)
Alpha doesn't change thing for "change" sake, it wants things to change based on how they view the world should be run.
Alpha creates the idea, beta makes the idea workable, gamma runs the idea, and delta protects the idea.
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A few ideas on quadra development and implementation:
(this doesn't really examine the ethical side of the quadras):
Alpha-
Begins things, develops them. this could be science, technology, even entertainment. A very original quadra.
These new things lead to new facts and ways of thinking about the world.
Beta-
In a Te society:
Takes the new things and institutionalizes them. This means takes new science facts(like food sanitation) makes laws and uses institutions like government to implement them. Also willing to destroy the sense of order if they think there is a better means.
In a Ti society:
Tends to more radical implementations of order based on belief of what is 'good' for society. communist societies, many middle eastern governments are obviously more Ti oriented.
Gamma-
Takes in all the new things, and order and finds out what is honestly happening. Whereas Betas want to introduce order in the environment, gammas want to organize things for practical gain rather than consistent order, and law(this conflicts with Ti who say that order and belief create a working society. Gamma sees a working society as one where everyone benefits from practical gain). Think more economically than society-wise. Occupy the more analytical sides of western government(most western capitalist governments emphasize gamma/delta values). Economists always strike me as the heart of the gamma ideal.
Delta -
The perfectionist quadra. Labor down and up. Highly skilled with money, work, anything. Less analytical than the NTs, but more practically skilled. The guy who builds your house, and the guy who does your surgery. The wholesome quadra, ahaha.
rough look at quadras with various stereotypes, but it is simple. There is a link between alpha and delta as well. Quadras are interesting and i can't think of them without thinking of governments.
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I guess the question here is whether what is "said" is actually true. I mean, so someone said this. Why accept it as fact?Originally Posted by Joy
She never said she did. What she is trying to figure out, it seems, is the basic framework and ideas behind such a proposition.Originally Posted by Jonathan
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