Delta Take On Spirituality

[force my hand]

What does/should it look like?

The traditional Protestant? Lapsed Catholic? Surely not evangelical, though don't let my bias get in the way. Passive theism?

[meatburger]

What does/should it look like?

The traditional Protestant? Lapsed Catholic? Surely not evangelical, though don't let my bias get in the way. Passive theism?

Im a huge Atheist. My ESTj friend is also an Athiest probablly more so than myself. Ive heard ESTj's can go either way though, very religious or the total opposite? My ISTp friends seem to be indifferent to it all. The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim. Im not sure if he honestly believes this and im sure its his creative Ne making up these ideas.

I dont really believe in any type of reincarnation etc, nothing paranormal, no auras, starsigns. I dont know where it all came from but im a real skeptic. I do believe things like mediation have positive benefits though.

[Mea]

Huh? Not sure I understand your question.

But I'm a Christian. Lazy to elaborate what kind though.
Anyway, I dunno about all Deltas. But I think ENFps can be pretty stubborn in what they believe in, regardless what.
Like how no one can convince me not to believe in my religion. Though I don't force others to agree with me. I hate it when people try to make me think otherwise. Because I don't do that.

Yup. I don't believe in starsigns either, horoscope, reincarnation, etc. Load of bull if you ask me.

[FDG]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

[Mea]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

I think... you need to get laid... more often.

[FDG]

It just has the opposite effect, but I won't hijack this very spiritual thread with mundane thoughts

[Mea]

It just has the opposite effect, but I won't hijack this very spiritual thread with mundane thoughts

It's ok. I think getting laid is vital in everyone's life.

[Park]

Agnostic Atheism

[Elro]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

The big bang theory?

[jessica129]

I believe in re-incarnation, paranormal, etc...all of it. I find it hard to believe we're here just for the hell of it. There has to be a reason I've been dealt such a crappy life thus far. If not, i'll be mad.

[eunice]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

I think... you need to get laid... more often.

A Freudian slip.....

[rockclimber]

I was raised Catholic, though I don't consider myself one anymore... I suppose I am agnostic.

[UDP]

I finally know exactly what I believe in

[mikemex]

I still laugh at those who have imaginary friends like gods and such.

[meatburger]

I still laugh at those who have imaginary friends like gods and such.

Hehe did you get that from the Jimmy Carr (ESTp) Act? I also found it amusing. He said something like:

Ohh when i was younger i had this wonderful imaginary friend. I believed we could talk to each other and i even believed he could grant me wishes and stuff... but then i grew up and stopped believing in god.

[Blaze]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

.....not hard to believe.....

[force my hand]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

.....not hard to believe.....

Big Bang theory for the win!

[Ms. Kensington]

The INFj i know creates his own beliefs such as his latest one that the universe is a giant organisim.

Lol, I read this as "the universe is a giant orgasm"

.....not hard to believe.....

i often think things in the natural world look like orgasms. Hey if the image fits, use it.

[jessica129]

We all are basically the result of orgasms. Sometimes I think about that.

[force my hand]

The prevailing attitude on this forum seems to be that Delta is - erm, for lack of a better term - "laid back", and since religion and spirituality are pretty important to us overall, I was curious to see how Delta types responded to the idea.

Of course, being mostly young, it's no personal surprise that the responses thus far have met my expectations. I don't pretend that such a small and skewed sample could be representative - or even any indicator of type, for that matter - but unless someone wants to argue otherwise, I'm going to operate on the assumption that it probably is.

Delta ftw.

[Ms. Kensington]

We all are basically the result of orgasms. Sometimes I think about that.

profound.

[Expat]

Marcus Aurelius's Meditations is a good example (of Delta spirituality, not of orgasms).

[jessica129]

We all are basically the result of orgasms. Sometimes I think about that.

profound.

I thought so too.

[Slacker]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

[force my hand]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

Really?

(I don't know why I find this surprising, but for some reason I do.)

[force my hand]

Marcus Aurelius's Meditations is a good example (of Delta spirituality, not of orgasms).

I'm taking this recommendation seriously. Found it on the web, and I'm interested to see if I can find it in a bookstore anywhere.

(I'm always keeping my eyes open for some sort of classic 'secular' spirituality/philosophy. One of the first atheism texts I read was Lucretius' "On the nature of things".)

[Park]

I'm taking this recommendation seriously. Found it on the web, and I'm interested to see if I can find it in a bookstore anywhere.

You might have already found this, but anyways...

http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html

[force my hand]

I'm taking this recommendation seriously. Found it on the web, and I'm interested to see if I can find it in a bookstore anywhere.

You might have already found this, but anyways...

http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html

Haha, yeah, that was the first link that came up in a Yahoo! search.

[meatburger]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

Really?

(I don't know why I find this surprising, but for some reason I do.)

Yeah. When i was younger i turned to spirituality a little. Used to meditate, i joined a tai chi class. I really like the idea of buddhism, inner peace etc. I would definately be Buddhist if anything. I dont believe in Karma at all but i do believe if you create a negative atmosphere around yourself your more likely to get negative things happen to you which is just practical Karma.

I used to go on this forum http://www.astralpulse.com where people talk about negative entities, astral projection, the year 2012 when the mayan calendar ends etc. I quickly realised that its all a load of bullshit and they were all nuts. Some of them thought they could harvest Ki energy and create energy balls like Dragon Ball Z.

As a young child when going on my first school religion trips my Ne questioned the plausibility and discarded it. In fact some of the thoughts i had at that young age were just mirrored in my philosophy class more than 10 years later. I am very interested hearing about others spirituality however.

[Exodus]

I mentioned it in the Alpha spirituality thread - the Singularity Institute's philosophy is Delta. They envision an ideal future centered around "Friendly AI" (NeFi).

http://singinst.org

Ne quadra philosophy almost always involves a kind of naive idealism about the world or people. Se quadra types are more likely to be pessimistic about changing things for the better, unless by direct action.

[anndelise]

I dont consider myself religious..but possibly spiritual(?).

I've mentioned before in the forum that I do believe that our "patterns" continue for at least a few hours after bodily death.
Since I was a young girl, I very strongly wanted to learn whatever it was I came here (earthly existence) to learn, because I absolutely did NOT want to come back nor have to repeat this life again (this was before the movie Groundhog Day..hehehe). This belief has remained strong within me and is one of my motivating forces.

I believe that I may have made some sort of agreement with my daughter (as well as my father) regarding our relationship efforts during those critical periods of growing up. So I guess I do believe in some sort of reincarnation type thing.

I currently play with the idea of Gaia...earth having the capacity to be an entity. And that just as we are made up of cells that grouped together into systems, etc... eventually leading to consciousness...so too could this entity we are part of have the potential to be conscious.

I also every once in a while play around with ideas such as astrology (in my younger days), psychicness, magic, and such. I recognize my tendency for naivety, so I try to make efforts to reduce that. Mostly I find little bits of possible "truth" in them that are often overlooked or blown out of proportion by its adherents. However, I am becoming better at taking what I read with a grain of salt.

[Logos]

I dont consider myself religious..but possibly spiritual(?).

This is becoming quite the trend. More and more people seem to be distancing themselves from the label of being religious (being tied to a particular institution and dogma) and identifying strictly with spiritual.

[anndelise]

I dont consider myself religious..but possibly spiritual(?).

This is becoming quite the trend. More and more people seem to be distancing themselves from the label of being religious (being tied to a particular institution and dogma) and identifying strictly with spiritual.

yeah
i'm never really sure if I fit spiritual either
i mean, i obviously have some thoughts/beliefs that could be labeled as spritual...
but my approach to them aren't...uh..."enlightened"....
i guess that's it...i think i connect "spiritual" with a pursuit of "enlightenment" (however that enlightenment may express itself)...and i don't feel i pursue "spiritual enlightenment" so I'm not sure if i'm "spiritual"...hehehe

[Minde]

Well, my spirituality should have been made fairly obvious by now. You can categorize it as you wish. I will not force what I believe on you, though I will remain firm within myself in what I think is important. Also, as I said in another thread, spirituality is not hugely distinct from everything else in my life. God permeates my life.

[force my hand]

Well, my spirituality should have been made fairly obvious by now. You can categorize it as you wish. I will not force what I believe on you, though I will remain firm within myself in what I think is important. Also, as I said in another thread, spirituality is not hugely distinct from everything else in my life. God permeates my life.

But if you were to classify it, how would you?

[Minde]

But if you were to classify it, how would you?

I'm not sure. What are the categories?

I guess if you were to ask me, "What's your religion, specifically?" I'd say something along the lines of "I'm a conservative baptist christian," though I don't always like all the connotations and associations that accompany such a label.

[Slacker]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

Really?

(I don't know why I find this surprising, but for some reason I do.)

Yes, really. I don't believe in any religion, and "spirituality" is a meaningless word IMO. All that matters to me is that I do what I know is right and live in a way that is best for my family and community.

[force my hand]

But if you were to classify it, how would you?

I'm not sure. What are the categories?

I guess if you were to ask me, "What's your religion, specifically?" I'd say something along the lines of "I'm a conservative baptist christian," though I don't always like all the connotations and associations that accompany such a label.

Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Not to argue, but rather to see with which of the numerous strains a person identifies.

[force my hand]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

Really?

(I don't know why I find this surprising, but for some reason I do.)

Yes, really. I don't believe in any religion, and "spirituality" is a meaningless word IMO. All that matters to me is that I do what I know is right and live in a way that is best for my family and community.

Fair enough, though it's curious to me that as an atheist and non-ENFp I consider myself 'spiritual' whereas you do not.

But I guess that's one of the attractions of a forum!

[Logos]

Religion and spirituality are not important to me. I spend virtually no time thinking about that kind of thing.

Really?

(I don't know why I find this surprising, but for some reason I do.)

Yes, really. I don't believe in any religion, and "spirituality" is a meaningless word IMO. All that matters to me is that I do what I know is right and live in a way that is best for my family and community.

But if you were to just examine the word spiritual, you would see the obvious root word of spirit. Well what is spirit? Spirit is used in primary ways, in pertaining to the incorporeal and as a synonym for life. If we were to go to a pep rally where the crowd is screaming, cheering, and excited, we would probably say that they are full of spirit. Of course it does not mean that they are somehow possessed by incorporeal spirits, but that they are lively and full of life. So to say that we are spiritual is merely to say that we are living beings who dwell in our own personal liveliness. It is the soul or self-consciousness of the form celebrating its existence. Some people need a religion with a basic set of beliefs and a community of fellow believers to be spiritual, but there are many spiritual atheists.