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    how about psychopath?

    ugh he's from my state
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    Interesting feller.

    I hate to be uhh... what's the word... but I think his parents were to blame. So oblivious to their own child. Thought him doing crazy shit to animals was just 'normal behavior' for a kid. Seemed scared of their child and turned the other way to real problems like so many parents. Still, I realize that parents do the best job they know how to do. But sometimes, I really do think it takes a village to raise a psychopath.

    Also wasn't validated or respected for his natural orientation (homosexual) at all. His modus operandi of victims kind of reflects that as well. He was a typical self-loathing homosexual from a small no-nothing town that doesn't care about much of anything.

    Saying just 'ugh psycopath' isn't a good way to learn about anybody.

    Uh he seems to VI as ISFp to me kind of, or perhaps INTj/INFp?

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    I think that level of psychosis is beyond mommy and daddy's fault, though I don't doubt they didn't help the situation. But yes they should have gotten him psychiatric help when he started torturing animals. That would have been a good thing.
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    This shit pisses me off:

    One of Dahmer's victims escaped, only to be returned to him by police. When it was later publicized, there was widespread condemnation of the officers. In the early morning hours of May 27, 1991, 14-year-old Milwaukee Laotian Konerak Sinthasomphone (the younger brother of the boy Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering nude. Reports of the boy's injuries varied. Dahmer told police that they had an argument while drinking, and that Sinthasomphone was his 19 year-old lover. Against the teenager's protests, police turned him over to Dahmer. They had no suspicions, but reported smelling a strange scent. That scent was later found to be bodies in the back of his room. Later that night Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.
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    i walked the dark side for years when i directed a forensic mental health unit....ugh....i can't even take part in stuff like this anymore. no more justice files, no more forensic files, no more anne rice novels...i'm done with the dark side. now it just makes me physically sick.

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    i think: ENTj, ENFj, and last INTp from V.I. impressions.
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    Jeffrey Dahmer is EII.

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    then he would be the same type as you... and since you're a 4 now you feel sorry for 8s. oh dear.

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    About 1,5 years ago, I was VI-typed as Jeffrey Damer and Im definitly ILE. Check it out:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ng-skills.html
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErB0R4wlB64]YouTube - Jeffrey Dahmer Interview - Extended Footage[/ame]
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mspEfYQxgYM]YouTube - Jeff Goldblum - Interview Live @ J&R[/ame]

    Same type as Jeff Goldblum, and he's NeTi?
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    In the interview he seems medicated, which makes it tougher to tell...

    Te-INTp, (like the Craigslist Killer.)

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    Before I begin my article discussion on why I think Jeffrey Dahmer was a Delta, let's make two things clear:

    1. I'm not attacking the Delta quadra, or saying they are more likely to be serial killers or anything
    2. I could be wrong (I doubt it though hehe), and I'm just mentally masturbating and making an arguement for the sake of a mutually respectful discussion. You can vehemently disagree all you want, but attacking or trolling me will not be tolerated, because quite frankly - I am not in the mood. And yes, I'm being sensitive. =D

    So anyways....

    Jeffrey Dahmer's victims were all men, and they were all (or most?) homosexual men to boot. And thirdly, they all were men who lived more stereotypical 'gay lifestyles' and went to gay bars and things like that.

    So his victim profile was:

    1. Male
    2. Gay (he was gay himself, yeah serial killers can be gay too!)
    3. The bar-type

    So he was a sadistic psychopath. That much is certain. He was probably born that way, since as a kid there was reports of him doing weird things to animals which is always a sign of Dexter-ness. But why kill gay men who hang around gay bars? Why not kill women, or children? Or whores? Serial killers of course have a victim profile and to understand the Dahmer we have to understand his victims.

    Here's how I think this is socionics related. A few people have made the argument that Beta and the 'stereotypical gay community' go together. Although I'm not really up its ass like you might think I am, I think this generalization is in fact, correct. The gay community was a beta movement, started by betas- for other betas. The pure general essence of everything about the gay community, gay bars, gay chat room, gay bath-houses, gay gay gay.... is Beta.

    Jeffrey Dahmer being Delta, not Beta- was especially disgusted with the gay community and gay lifestyle. Due to internalized homophobia and wanting to be accepted as normal by their peers, even many other beta gay males hate the gay bar community thing, but if you are a delta gay guy, and a sociopath to boot- all that mixed together is going to create an extremely deathly mixture. This triggered him to specifically lure out gay guys in gay bars, ask them if he could take pictures of them nude- and then when they were alone at his apartment, do all sorts of dark things. Like eat their body parts, take out their hearts, and decapitate them and keep the boys' heads as trophies. (fun) Most people have heard the story a billion times before.

    The innate psychopathy mixed with self-hatred for being gay, mixed with naturally hating those that were in a different quadra than he (in a generalized sense), was *why* he got so dark and twisted with his victims. Many serial killers didn't go as dark as he did, because they just didn't have so many factors working against them. (Or working for him, if you know you are evil and you're all 'yay jeffrey dahmer, kill that faggot!')

    I think this is an example of how we can protect our society and our community actually. If there's a boy and we sense psychopathy and sadism and higher levels of non-empathy for him at a young age, we can accurately predict who is victims will be when he grows up, based on his innate socionics type. People didn't put the effort to stop Jeffrey Dahmer before he did what they did, because they didn't care. If we don't care, then the world's worst serial killer will just end up killing us all while he's the only one left standing in something that is purely narcissistic. The world will never be as compassionate as I would like, but I at least do not want it to be destroyed by an highly intelligent and clever serial killer.

    See here's my theory. Base empathy is what is stopping people from conflicting quadras from killing each other. But if you remove that natural empathy, then it will create a natural all-out brutal war between the conflicting quadras. Ashton would start going to Vero and Mune's house and trying to kill them instead of merely being a little smug and off-putting to alphas from his own house. (and vice-versa if you take away all the empathy from Alpha as well, or anybody) And well you naturally have more empathy for people in your own quadra anyway of course so even if all your empathy was taken away- you wouldn't want to go for people in your own quadra you'd want to go for people that weren't. More specifically and purely, you'd instinctively target those who were in conflicting quadras from yourself.

    Plus: The dude just VIs as a Delta. Delta ISTp is my guess.
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    I don't know much about him, but I do know gay Deltas. There are gay people of all types.
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    Yes but what do you think of the main idea that we are all hard-wired to go after those in conflicting quadras, if our empathy/compassion/carebear-ness or whatever, was somehow removed.

    And yeah gay people can be all types, but social institutions and political organizations are rife with socionics biases I think.

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    I don't know. I think it's hard to explain people that crazy with socionics.
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    Oh well, I guess my philosophy is, the more I understand crazy people, the less likely I am to be chopped up and put in another man's refrigerator. Because I do have a big heart and I don't want it to just make me serial killer food. Tee hee hee. <3

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    ROFL <3

    Well I certainly would not agree wtih anyone who would say he had to be Beta or couldn't be Delta. But it's possible he just went after whoever responded to his invitation to come home.
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    Yeah but empathy/sociopathy are on this scale. There's a method to most people's madness, like when people go dark, they select their victims both carefully, and instinctively. You know, the normal response when people treat you unfairly is to get depressed/angry at them, and fight back a little- lash out angrily at them, but you don't like start thinking in your head how you're gonna groom an entire situation to get them alone somewhere to put their body in a black trash bag. Unless.... you're a natural sociopath (which I believe is mostly genetic somehow but anybody can probably be made that way with enough training)

    So even sociopaths have feelings, right, they just have feelings only for themselves. So they are gonna target people who have personally wronged them before.... and so somehow, he felt threatened and attacked by gay guys, and that's why he killed other gays. It wasn't just an emo 'woe is me im gay thing' like in other gays though I don't think. Otherwise he would have probably killed himself, even if he was a sociopath. lol.

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    you could be on to something in your analysis, b&d. i don't disagree with an SLI typing, dahmer definitely seems introverted and logical. there was some speculation that he was "crazy" as in mentally ill, but i doubt it.

    The Murder Room provides an excellent analysis of the vertical drop towards outright evil one can begin. see below for link to this excellent book.
    http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Room-Sh...9735347&sr=8-1

    dahmer seems like one of those at the very end of the long rope of evil. your analysis is a horizontal/latitudinal one which dovetails nicely with the intrapsychic model presented by professional forensic investigators in this book. let me know if you decide to read it.

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    Woops shoulda searched.
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