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    Have there been any studies on the affect birth order has on enneagram type? For instance... an eldest child might be more likely to be an 8, an only child a 4 or 5, a youngest child a 3, a middle child a 9, someone who is significantly older or younger than the rest of his/her siblings a 6, an only girl in a large family a 2, an only boy in a large family a 7, etc.
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    i've heard conflicting studies on birth order's effect on personality. Which angle are you supposing?
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    It depends on the situation (obviously), but I could see where birth order could play a role in one's enneagram type (since the description makes it sound like it's determined more so by upbringing than anything else).
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    I'm eldest, and a 7, which is somewhat conflicting, I think?
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    Not necessarily, if you consider 7 the "didn't get fucked up in any way during childhood" type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Not necessarily, if you consider 7 the "didn't get fucked up in any way during childhood" type.
    lol, ok, but 7s are also thought about as being irresponsible etcc
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    Not every eldest child has to raise their siblings (or has overbearing or abusive or just plain foolish parents that they have to protect their siblings from).

    Are your siblings close in age to you?
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    i'm also the oldest and a 7. and i'm like the wildest person in my family....hahahaha

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    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Stop posting your birth order!

    There's a guessing game in Anything Goes that you're excluding yourselves from.
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    Youngest of two, 7. My older sister is a 9 or 1. Mother is the youngest of two, and an 8. My dad is the oldest of 4, and a 1.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    The only thing I can remember is that elder children are supposed to be more conservative or conformist, and younger siblings, more "rebellious" -- that's all I can remember.
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    My older sister is certainly more conservative, in some ways. But conformist? I'd fall under that category long before she ever would
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Doesn't work for me, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Not every eldest child has to raise their siblings (or has overbearing or abusive or just plain foolish parents that they have to protect their siblings from).

    Are your siblings close in age to you?
    i'm probably more responsible than my forum persona says, actually
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    The only thing I can remember is that elder children are supposed to be more conservative or conformist, and younger siblings, more "rebellious" -- that's all I can remember.
    I am not sure if that is always the case, but I suppose that is what your "supposed" disclaimer is signifies. While my sister is definitely liberal, I probably beat her in this aspect, though that may change later.

    I do not think that the birth order necessarily changes or affects the actual type of the individual, but it does shape their experiences and personality, which can almost make the individual's characteristics to be almost atypical for their type. For example, as the oldest child, I have had to be the de facto spokeschild or representative of the siblings. When my family goes to social gatherings, I am expected to be the friendly child who talks to family friends and relatives, knowing the correct thing to say ( role, I guess) between myself and my younger INFj sister. So although my sister and I are both somewhat anti-social INxjs, my oldest child status has exposed me to greater amount of social situations and expectations.

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    Not every eldest child has to raise their siblings (or has overbearing or abusive or just plain foolish parents that they have to protect their siblings from).
    True, but that does not mean that the eldest child should necessarily do nothing. I hate to use the cliche "it takes a village to raise a child," but it is hard to avoid being an older child and helping to raise the sibling (unless the elder children have moved out already). Also, if the elder child sees an injustice by the parents enacted to the younger siblings, it is expected that the elder siblings should be willing to stand up to the parents and at least say that they may want to reconsider or that they are wrong in their estimation of the offense or severity of the punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Not every eldest child has to raise their siblings (or has overbearing or abusive or just plain foolish parents that they have to protect their siblings from).
    True, but that does not mean that the eldest child should necessarily do nothing. I hate to use the cliche "it takes a village to raise a child," but it is hard to avoid being an older child and helping to raise the sibling (unless the elder children have moved out already). Also, if the elder child sees an injustice by the parents enacted to the younger siblings, it is expected that the elder siblings should be willing to stand up to the parents and at least say that they may want to reconsider or that they are wrong in their estimation of the offense or severity of the punishment.
    Yes, especially when the parents are so far out of touch with reality that it's friggin scary, extremely strict, easily upset, and the siblings are either too timid to stand up for themselves or too volatile and irresponsible to communicate and be taken seriously.
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